Coach34 and others

[Political Hack]

A virus that has virtually zero chance of killing anyone that is playing football will not determine whether or not we have football. People trying to politicize it will determine that, but it will have zero to do with the safety of anyone playing and 100 % to do with how they can spin this politically. The southeast will play football because the governors of those states will have zero chance of getting reelected if they try to push that horse shit down their citizens' throats. Any coach or at risk person can decide on their own whether or not they need to be in a locker room environment that increases their risk of catching COVID. If they decide not to coach, there will be plenty of people willing to take their job, just like there are plenty of people willing to take jobs at every single company in America right now.

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People aren't worried about catching it. We're worried about spreading. Taking 1 kid and giving it to 80 is spreading it.

Death doesn't matter. ICU bed space, hospital space, ventilators and PPE matter. If we reach capacity, or threaten capacity, football season will be doomed. This has absolutely ZERO to do with the health effects on football players, but I can't almost guarantee you with 100% certainty that a football player will die this year due to COVID related complications if we play a full season. In fact, it will be multiple players. The pediatric inflammatory related illnesses stemming from COVID that impacts kids is rare, but it's very deadly. Percentage wise, some will get it and die just like in NYC.

[Jarius]

This post is not going to age well.

People aren't worried about catching it. We're worried about spreading. Taking 1 kid and giving it to 80 is spreading it.

Death doesn't matter. ICU bed space, hospital space, ventilators and PPE matter. If we reach capacity, or threaten capacity, football season will be doomed. This has absolutely ZERO to do with the health effects on football players, but I can't almost guarantee you with 100% certainty that a football player will die this year due to COVID related complications if we play a full season. In fact, it will be multiple players. The pediatric inflammatory related illnesses stemming from COVID that impacts kids is rare, but it's very deadly. Percentage wise, some will get it and die just like in NYC.

It will be a near miracle (in a bad way) if any players die from COVID. The only people that anyone should worry about spreading it to is the older / at risk crowd, and the average age of infection has dropped about 20 years. Every single thing going on right now SCREAMS that things are getting much much better but we have some people with some really bad motives spreading some really bad fear mongering garbage. Deaths don’t matter ? For 4 months all anyone heard was how high the death rate was. Now that more testing has occurred and the death rate is plummeting, deaths no longer matter.

[Johnson85]

It will be a near miracle (in a bad way) if any players die from COVID. The only people that anyone should worry about spreading it to is the older / at risk crowd, and the average age of infection has dropped about 20 years. Every single thing going on right now SCREAMS that things are getting much much better but we have some people with some really bad motives spreading some really bad fear mongering garbage. Deaths don’t matter ? For 4 months all anyone heard was how high the death rate was. Now that more testing has occurred and the death rate is plummeting, deaths no longer matter.

Not sure about that. Mississippi has had 7 fatalities between 18 and 29, out of 5,848 confirmed cases. That works out to about .12% cfr. It's probably pretty safe to cut that in half, so let's say .06% ifr for that age group. Say there are roughly 11,050 FBS scholarship athletes, that'd mean you'd expect about 6.63 deaths acorss all 11,050 athletes. Of course, that's 18-29 year olds, not 18-23 year olds, so maybe 18-23 year olds will have an even lower IFR. That's also Mississippi numbers, and we obviously have a lot of poor and obese people among 18-29 year olds and other health conditions, so it may be that the IFR for healthy 18-23 year olds is more like .00006%. But it seems likely that somebody out of those 11,050 players, even though they are athletes, probably have a significant undetected health issue that puts them at risk, and some of them may seriously struggle. Maybe it's just a true freshman that's really not all that athletic or in good shape, but was freaking huge so a bad team with poor recruiting just took a flyer on him. And that 11,050 is just scholarship athletes, so the total number is presumably a good bit higher.

Not saying we shouldn't have football because of that. We should have football; it's still a very low risk. But I wouldn't want people to be shocked when a football player dies. With big numbres, there are going to be people that die of any number of low probability risks. And those numbers are just for FBS. I'm assuming other divisions will be much less likely to play b/c it's not profitable for them to begin with, but if they play, that will be a lot more than 11,050.

[Jarius]

Not sure about that. Mississippi has had 7 fatalities between 18 and 29, out of 5,848 confirmed cases. That works out to about .12% cfr. It's probably pretty safe to cut that in half, so let's say .06% ifr for that age group. Say there are roughly 11,050 FBS scholarship athletes, that'd mean you'd expect about 6.63 deaths acorss all 11,050 athletes. Of course, that's 18-29 year olds, not 18-23 year olds, so maybe 18-23 year olds will have an even lower IFR. That's also Mississippi numbers, and we obviously have a lot of poor and obese people among 18-29 year olds and other health conditions, so it may be that the IFR for healthy 18-23 year olds is more like .00006%. But it seems likely that somebody out of those 11,050 players, even though they are athletes, probably have a significant undetected health issue that puts them at risk, and some of them may seriously struggle. Maybe it's just a true freshman that's really not all that athletic or in good shape, but was freaking huge so a bad team with poor recruiting just took a flyer on him. And that 11,050 is just scholarship athletes, so the total number is presumably a good bit higher.

Not saying we shouldn't have football because of that. We should have football; it's still a very low risk. But I wouldn't want people to be shocked when a football player dies. With big numbres, there are going to be people that die of any number of low probability risks. And those numbers are just for FBS. I'm assuming other divisions will be much less likely to play b/c it's not profitable for them to begin with, but if they play, that will be a lot more than 11,050.

A football player has a bigger chance of dying in a car wreck on the way to practice than dying of COVID. Not having football because of player safety concerns is just completely stupid. There is no other way to spin it. Acceptable risk is a term people need to come to terms with.

[Political Hack]

A football player has a bigger chance of dying in a car wreck on the way to practice than dying of COVID. Not having football because of player safety concerns is just completely stupid. There is no other way to spin it. Acceptable risk is a term people need to come to terms with.

That's statistically incorrect, but I think you were just throwing out a risk and suggesting they could easily die in other ways too. Which is correct. But COVID is disproportionately impacting African Americans, which also represents a large percentage of football players. It is a player safety issue. It's not the only player safety issue. But it's certainly a player safety issue.

[Todd4State]

That's statistically incorrect, but I think you were just throwing out a risk and suggesting they could easily die in other ways too. Which is correct. But COVID is disproportionately impacting African Americans, which also represents a large percentage of football players. It is a player safety issue. It's not the only player safety issue. But it's certainly a player safety issue.

If a player feels unsafe then sit it out. Problem solved.

And I can tell you the statistics of high school football players that are African American that I have seen in the hospital on a vent- 0%. And I've got a pretty good sample size.

[Homedawg]

If a player feels unsafe then sit it out. Problem solved.

And I can tell you the statistics of high school football players that are African American that I have seen in the hospital on a vent- 0%. And I've got a pretty good sample size.

It's not like they can't catch it from being away from school either.......

[Cowbell]

That's statistically incorrect, but I think you were just throwing out a risk and suggesting they could easily die in other ways too. Which is correct. But COVID is disproportionately impacting African Americans, which also represents a large percentage of football players. It is a player safety issue. It's not the only player safety issue. But it's certainly a player safety issue.

Prove how that is statistically incorrect. How many college football players have died from covid vs car wrecks?

[Jarius]

That's statistically incorrect, but I think you were just throwing out a risk and suggesting they could easily die in other ways too. Which is correct. But COVID is disproportionately impacting African Americans, which also represents a large percentage of football players. It is a player safety issue. It's not the only player safety issue. But it's certainly a player safety issue.

No one is forcing anyone to play football. Anyone that feels unsafe doesn’t have to play. If football players didn’t play football for every health risk (to their age group) to something like COVID then they would have quit long ago, because it simply isn’t a real health risk to almost anyone in their age bracket. The CDC Came out the other day with a study that estimates that 20 million people in the US have already had COVID. If that is actually correct my car wreck analogy is correct. Even if they aren’t the point remains.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-at-highest-ri

[Political Hack]

No one is forcing anyone to play football. Anyone that feels unsafe doesn’t have to play. If football players didn’t play football for every health risk (to their age group) to something like COVID then they would have quit long ago, because it simply isn’t a real health risk to almost anyone in their age bracket. The CDC Came out the other day with a study that estimates that 20 million people in the US have already had COVID. If that is actually correct my car wreck analogy is correct. Even if they aren’t the point remains.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-at-highest-ri

I agree the point generally remains regardless of what the data show. Life/death risks is low to football players and you're right that they knowingly assume the risks. HOWEVER It's another variable on top of a sport that's already riddled by significant risks. Numbers are down everywhere in youth football, which is to be expected, especially right now.

But again, life/death isn't the issue here. It's hospital bed space and ICU bed space. Nobody has clearly communicated that to the American people. Nobody has a "shared goal" in any of this. Every TV station is reporting numbers. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE IT. It only matters how many people we can effectively treat at a given time. Monitor that. Measure it. Report it. And dictate social distancing and mask MANDATES based on that.

There is a game plan to manage this. It was created under Obama and why it was rejected on its face (in my opinion). There is a 17 page classified CDC response plan specific to this pandemic that was thrown out the window too.

Had we followed any of these guidelines everyone would know when we open, when we close, and how close we are to opening and closing at any given moment. Instead we just fly by the seat of our pants and wing it. So... we'll see what happens to football in the short term, but long term the hospitals are going to become incapacitated and we will have to shut down again. Again, just my opinion, but this is the biggest failure of leadership in the history of the United States.