KSU football team refusing to practice or play

[starkvegasdawg]

Until a student is expelled from campus for a supposedly racist and/or threatening tweet. I say supposedly because I can't find what the tweet says, but if there was no threat made I don't see grounds for expulsion. The first amendment guarantees your right to be an utter revolting shit if you want to be one. Is KSU now going to have twitter police monitoring every student's tweets? I just wish I knew what the tweet said. If it was just along the lines of a certain race or group is a bunch of subhuman garbage and I wish they weren't here then that is despicable but I see no grounds for expulsion. If the student added "and I wish they were all dead and I'm going to start making that happen" then you possibly have an entirely different ballgame as you have entered threat territory.

[ShotgunDawg]

Social media has a good chance of being the fall of civilization

[RocketDawg]

Social media has a good chance of being the fall of civilization

Along with 24-hour news networks, of both the right and left type. Report the news, but stay away from "opinions".

[chef dixon]

He said "congratulations to George Floyd for being 1 month drug free." Kid is the founder of America First group on their campus. He's deserves whatever comes his way in my opinion.

[Rex54]

He's deserves whatever comes his way in my opinion.

So this is where we are...

Free speech is 17ed

100%



This idea has become so beaten down between tech censorship and the woke corporations holding your livelihood in their hands. People have to conform to their employer's politics or face financial ruin. The decline of worker's rights in this country has been a disgrace.

[DeltaChicagoDog]

He said "congratulations to George Floyd for being 1 month drug free." Kid is the founder of America First group on their campus. He's deserves whatever comes his way in my opinion.

Was the comment made on the campus group's social media account or the private account of an individual? In terms of legal argument/precedent, is this distinction relevant?

[starkvegasdawg]

Social media has a good chance of being the fall of civilization

If this is successful (and it probably will be) I can't wait for a tweet from a player that is racist to make it public and demands for his expulsion to crank up.

This whole damn country is turning on itself. It's really getting sad and scary. Someone gets offended and instead of putting on your big boy pants and saying 17 it and moving on with life you have to drop down in the floor and have an adult version of a temper tantrum and start demanding all this bullshit and rioting and looting. 17 me, people, does nobody have a backbone anymore?

In the 1700's, severely out manned and out gunned we kicked the shit out of the British and won our freedom. In the early to mid 1900's we kicked the shit out of fascism and nazism twice. In the 1990's we kicked the shit out of the world's third largest army that was attempting to take over a region. In the early 2000's, in just a few weeks, we kicked the shit out of an army that fought the Soviet war machine to a years long quagmire. This country used to have balls and fortitude. Now we can't go about our day to day lives because of the logo on a 17ing bottle of pancake syrup.

[Commercecomet24]

If this is successful (and it probably will be) I can't wait for a tweet from a player that is racist to make it public and demands for his expulsion to crank up.

This whole damn country is turning on itself. It's really getting sad and scary. Someone gets offended and instead of putting on your big boy pants and saying 17 it and moving on with life you have to drop down in the floor and have an adult version of a temper tantrum and start demanding all this bullshit and rioting and looting. 17 me, people, does nobody have a backbone anymore?

In the 1700's, severely out manned and out gunned we kicked the shit out of the British and won our freedom. In the early to mid 1900's we kicked the shit out of fascism and nazism twice. In the 1990's we kicked the shit out of the world's third largest army that was attempting to take over a region. In the early 2000's, in just a few weeks, we kicked the shit out of an army that fought the Soviet war machine to a years long quagmire. This country used to have balls and fortitude. Now we can't go about our day to day lives because of the logo on a 17ing bottle of pancake syrup.

This! Best thing I've read in a long time. This is the spoiled,entitled group that preaches diversity but only if you think like they do. They get offended at the drop of a hat and throw temper tantrums.

[Lord McBuckethead]

This! Best thing I've read in a long time. This is the spoiled,entitled group that preaches diversity but only if you think like they do. They get offended at the drop of a hat and throw temper tantrums.

Everyone needs to be on notice, blatant racist crap will not be tolerated anymore. Welcome to "what should have been" the 1970s. Why throw digital gasoline on the situation.

[Commercecomet24]

Everyone needs to be on notice, blatant racist crap will not be tolerated anymore. Welcome to "what should have been" the 1970s. Why throw digital gasoline on the situation.

Yes,and that should go for every race,creed,orientation,political views, etc...it can't be one sided.

[chef dixon]

Yes,and that should go for every race,creed,orientation,political views, etc...it can't be one sided.

That would be ideal but I don't know if that will ever be reality. I mean the first amendment was created when black people literally had zero rights in this country and were enslaved. The whole concept seems dated at this point, although I realize its often a feel good story to reference back to what the founding fathers wanted. Its been one sided in the opposite direction for almost the entirety of our country's existence. I won't lose sleep over a dickhead getting expelled for seeking attention and saying something horrible. That's simply what it is, and not a complete destruction of some great, unwavering concept this country was founded on.

Not directly a response to just you CC but more just a general response to the thread.

[starkvegasdawg]

He said "congratulations to George Floyd for being 1 month drug free." Kid is the founder of America First group on their campus. He's deserves whatever comes his way in my opinion.

Revolting. Despicable. Not worthy of expulsion.

[chef dixon]

Revolting. Despicable. Not worthy of expulsion.

I'm not really sure how it works legally but if Kansas state doesn't want him representing them especially with an organization on their campus I understand that. But you're probably correct in that they may not have that authority legally. If they had known he had tweeted something similar to this prior to applying they could simply deny him admission.

[coastratdog]

Free speech is 17ed.

[BeardoMSU]

Free speech is 17ed.

Not really. Schools expel people all the time for saying/doing reprehensible things.

[Rex54]

Not really. Schools expel people all the time for saying/doing reprehensible things.

[maroonmania]

Not really. Schools expel people all the time for saying/doing reprehensible things.

Yes, basically first amendment free speech is just about the fact that there can't be laws on the books that prevent someone's right to express their opinion (including even a disgusting one like this K-State student). However, there are non-legal consequences of someone speaking their mind every day. Colleges set their own admission standards as to who they will accept and set their own student conduct policies for their own campus. Even if someone gets kicked out of college for vulgar speech, it doesn't mean their first amendment right was violated as long as they aren't legally prosecuted. Even if this guy was kicked out of K-State nobody is stopping him from exercising his free speech rights. He can keep on saying what he wants to say but he just won't be saying it as a K-State student.

[dawgoneyall]

Not really. Schools expel people all the time for saying/doing reprehensible things.

And you are OK with that?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Free speech is 17ed.

You are free to say whatever you want, as long as you are ready to face the consequences. Free doesn't mean without consequences.
A statement like that is despicable. Not really sure what their code of conduct covers, but it could mean expulsion.

[starkvegasdawg]

Not really. Schools expel people all the time for saying/doing reprehensible things.

So free speech has been 17ed for a while then you're saying?