Looks Like We Got the Votes....

[ScoobaDawg]

When it stops being racist, it will stop. Sorry, but Forrest County (I assume is named for NB Forrest) needs a name change. In no way, should anyone in Mississippi have to live in a county named for that dude.

So you are right. It will not stop with the flag. We have plenty of history that needs celebrating that has nothing to do with racism, the confederacy, or the bigotry of the 1860s-1969.

It was mentioned in 2015 it needed to change but rep-Billy Hudson said he wouldn't change it.
https://www.wdam.com/story/29392616/...-other-states/

[BorneDawg]

I'm ok with changing the flag as long as it don't have a stupid magnolia on it!
But where does it stop?

So your fine in changing anything\where named Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, ECT..... Cause that's what is wanteded by the current movement..... And on the case by case thing if we let others make the decisions then we have lost our say.... I know we get to vote but they can change a lot of stuff between elections if we allow them to.

What if the next demand is to remove all forms of Christianity on campus and make everyone embrace lgbtq+ say we have to remove the Chapel of Memories....

again we have been losing small inch by inch battles for years now it's a full on field rush by the left to take this country over and become socialist

In the end we all have our opinions and can voice them somewhat for now but were losing more of that everyday

[Rex54]

What if the next demand is to remove all forms of Christianity on campus and make everyone again we have been losing small inch by inch battles for years now it's a full on field rush by the left to take this country over and become socialist

Become Marxist. Every nation is "socialist".

[Dawg2003]

I'm ok with changing the flag as long as it don't have a stupid magnolia on it!
But where does it stop?

So your fine in changing anything\where named Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, ECT..... Cause that's what is wanteded by the current movement..... And on the case by case thing if we let others make the decisions then we have lost our say.... I know we get to vote but they can change a lot of stuff between elections if we allow them to.

What if the next demand is to remove all forms of Christianity on campus and make everyone embrace lgbtq+ say we have to remove the Chapel of Memories....

again we have been losing small inch by inch battles for years now it's a full on field rush by the left to take this country over and become socialist

In the end we all have our opinions and can voice them somewhat for now but were losing more of that everyday

Removing a symbol of chattel slavery is definitely a slippery slope to abolishing Christianity***

[Liverpooldawg]

It will be a LONG overdue great day when it happens.

[iPat09]

Another link to the press conference with the university athletic staffs...

https://www.wjtv.com/news/athletic-d...pi-state-flag/

[RiverCityDawg]

That may well be but my point still stands. Statues, memorials, county names, city names... eventually churches. Just understand this is not finished, not by a long shot. At some point you'll have to say "no".

Yeah might have to say "no" to some things. But it can be done on a case by case basis. Getting rid of a state flag in 2020 that has a symbol synonymous with hate doesn't mean you are agreeing to give everything over to the big bad left. It means you are showing discernment and are being decent on this specific subject. This "we can't give in or they'll take everything" argument is a logical fallacy.

[msbulldog]

Yeah might have to say "no" to some things. But it can be done on a case by case basis. Getting rid of a state flag in 2020 that has a symbol synonymous with hate doesn't mean you are agreeing to give everything over to the big bad left. It means you are showing discernment and are being decent on this specific subject. This "we can't give in or they'll take everything" argument is a logical fallacy.

Correct, the flag is obviously a problem that can be solved. Other issues should be resolved singularly.

[TrapGame]

Yeah might have to say "no" to some things. But it can be done on a case by case basis. Getting rid of a state flag in 2020 that has a symbol synonymous with hate doesn't mean you are agreeing to give everything over to the big bad left. It means you are showing discernment and are being decent on this specific subject. This "we can't give in or they'll take everything" argument is a logical fallacy.

Right.

There are a lot of things I disagree with on the Left but changing the state flag is not one of them. Everyone should be in agreement on this one.

[Rex54]

Everyone should be in agreement on this one.

So have a referendum...

[msbulldog]

So have a referendum...

You can't fix stupid!

[TrapGame]

So have a referendum...

You need a Xanax.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Rex54 needs a frontal lobotomy.

[Dawg2003]

So have a referendum...

We have a representative democracy in this country. We elect leaders to make decisions.

[Lord McBuckethead]

So have a referendum...

No, we already voted for our representatives. Let them do their jobs.

[msstatelp1]

So have a referendum...

No. It's the Legislature's job to choose the state flag. They must be made to do their job. You don't get to directly vote on other legislature business so you don't get to vote on this.

[Commercecomet24]

Yeah might have to say "no" to some things. But it can be done on a case by case basis. Getting rid of a state flag in 2020 that has a symbol synonymous with hate doesn't mean you are agreeing to give everything over to the big bad left. It means you are showing discernment and are being decent on this specific subject. This "we can't give in or they'll take everything" argument is a logical fallacy.

This. There has to be some middle ground found or we're screwed. There has to be some compromise from both sides on all issues. When people start drawing lines in the sand and no compromise exists bad s*** starts to happen.

[Rex54]

This. There has to be some middle ground found or we're screwed.

You say this as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Francis Scott Key, John C Calhoun, and Christopher Columbus all come down. We're already past the point of "case by case" or "middle ground". I'm sorry some you can't see the forest for the trees but they are already openly talking and promoting this type of cultural revolution as Lord McBucketdork desires.

[BrunswickDawg]

This. There has to be some middle ground found or we're screwed. There has to be some compromise from both sides on all issues. When people start drawing lines in the sand and no compromise exists bad s*** starts to happen.

I really don't think it is as hard as most people think. I spent 3 years as a director of Civil War Museum, and another 15 running Civil War and antebellum related historic sites and African-American related sites, and done time as a Confederate re-enactor. I have been having these conversations with people since the mid-1990s. When you have detailed conversations, most people understand the differences in battlefield memorials and Jim Crow monuments to power.

And this concept of "losing or history" is just false. There are more museums commemorating the Civil War - or hell, just about anything - then at any point in our history. There are more documentaries, books, scholarly articles, interpretive trails, preserved sites, and organizations dedicated to preserving history (and specifically CW history) than at any point. And we are doing these things broadly - from all perspectives - providing accounts from common soldiers, to leaders, to enslaved peoples, to women on the home front, to freedmen. Guys like you and I are old enough to remember going to a battle field in the 1970s, seeing the NPS made diorama of the troops on the field, seeing some poorly produced video or slide show all narrated by the same NPS employee, and seeing a bunch of guns on the wall. Go to that same battlefield today, and it's a whole other learning experience. At every NPS Civil War site, you learn the entire context of the war, the politics leading up to it, the impact on all communities, and what we can learn from it. Go out on the field now and you have narrated walking tours you can download, podcasts, full color maps in the field, and so many other ways to learn you didn't have 40 years ago. It's astounding. And it grows by the year.

But, none of this absolves us from trying to get better, from striving to understand perspectives, or from trying be decent enough human beings to understand that we have a 400 year legacy issue that we have to rectify. It is our original sin as a country, and we have only really been trying to fully understand the legacy and ramifications of it for a few years. To solve it, we have to have conversations. We have to commit to working past it. And we have to be willing to admit our wrongs. And we have to admit that despite all the advancements we have made, that we still have work to do.

Sorry - bit a soapbox there. CC most of that wasn't directed at your comments. I just hit reply and started writing.

[SmokeyDawg]

So have a referendum...

Hold your L and move on