Where will you draw the line....

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Correct. NO one knows his ways.

God is neutral on nations. He has a "Chosen PEOPLE", the Old Testament sons of Israel. But I'm not the one that is saying this blessing of that named group is was extended to other groups. You are. I said "We are not and never were God's Chosen Nation" Never were. Never will be. That Babylon, Assyria, Rome, and the ottomans defeated God's Chosen nation did not bestow upon them God's Favor. If you think that's the way it works, you should be a follower of the religion of those Nations.

And you are worse than ISIS in reading The Revelation.

I never said the US was evil or an evil empire. I said that the period in history the US was founded was not a very religious time.

All those things are great things about the USA that the current administration is ending.

You are trying to make your human viewpoint God's viewpoint. I'm reading what he said. God has one chosen nation. It's not the USA. God's Chosen people in the Old testament is Israel.

Yes His ways are higher than ours. Why are you putting him in a box that says "USA only"?

You are not reading my posts correctly as I have NEVER said that Blessings are for the USA only. I gave examples of several other nations being blessed throughout history as well (other posters objected and got mad that God blessed other nations for his purpose - like Babylon and Egypt. All I said was that the US was VERY blessed in order to become the leader of the free world. And yes, God did use Egypt to show His power and sovereignty, and he also used Babylon to punish Israel - that is fact as written in the bible. Sorry that you have never read ALL of His word, I say that because if you had, you would not be making some of your comments contrary to the facts.

Proof?

Regarding Egypt): Exodus 9:15-16 For by now I could have stretched out my hand and struck you and your people with a plague that would have wiped you off the earth. But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.

When Babylon punished Israel: Isaiah 47 1:6: “Go down, sit in the dust, Virgin Daughter Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, queen city of the Babylonians. No more will you be called tender or delicate. Take millstones and grind flour; take off your veil. Lift up your skirts, bare your legs, and wade through the streams. Your nakedness will be exposed and your shame uncovered. I will take vengeance; I will spare no one.” Our Redeemer—the Lord Almighty is his name is the Holy One of Israel. “Sit in silence, go into darkness, queen city of the Babylonians; no more will you be called queen of kingdoms. I was angry with my people and desecrated my inheritance; I gave them into your hand, and you showed them no mercy.

And Jeremiah 34:2 - "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Go to Zedekiah king of Judah and tell him, 'This is what the LORD says: I am about to give this city into the hands of the king of Babylon, and he will burn it down.

When God punished Babolyn for punishing Israel: Isaiah 13:17-20: "The Lord says, “I am stirring up the Medes[a] to attack Babylon. They care nothing for silver and are not tempted by gold. With their bows and arrows they will kill the young men. They will show no mercy to babies and take no pity on children. Babylonia is the most beautiful kingdom of all; it is the pride of its people. But I, the Lord, will overthrow Babylon as I did Sodom and Gomorrah!"

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You are not reading my posts correctly as I have NEVER said that Blessings are for the USA only. I gave examples of several other nations being blessed throughout history as well (other posters objected and got mad that God blessed other nations for his purpose - like Babylon and Egypt. All I said was that the US was VERY blessed in order to become the leader of the free world. And yes, God did use Egypt to show His power and sovereignty, and he also used Babylon to punish Israel - that is fact as written in the bible. Sorry that you have never read ALL of His word, I say that because if you had, you would not be making some of your comments contrary to the facts.

Proof?

Regarding Egypt): Exodus 9:15-16 For by now I could have stretched out my hand and struck you and your people with a plague that would have wiped you off the earth. But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.

When Babylon punished Israel: Isaiah 47 1:6: ?Go down, sit in the dust, Virgin Daughter Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, queen city of the Babylonians. No more will you be called tender or delicate. Take millstones and grind flour; take off your veil. Lift up your skirts, bare your legs, and wade through the streams. Your nakedness will be exposed and your shame uncovered. I will take vengeance; I will spare no one.? Our Redeemer?the Lord Almighty is his name is the Holy One of Israel. ?Sit in silence, go into darkness, queen city of the Babylonians; no more will you be called queen of kingdoms. I was angry with my people and desecrated my inheritance; I gave them into your hand, and you showed them no mercy.

And Jeremiah 34:2 - "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Go to Zedekiah king of Judah and tell him, 'This is what the LORD says: I am about to give this city into the hands of the king of Babylon, and he will burn it down.

When God punished Babolyn for punishing Israel: Isaiah 13:17-20: "The Lord says, ?I am stirring up the Medes[a] to attack Babylon. They care nothing for silver and are not tempted by gold. With their bows and arrows they will kill the young men. They will show no mercy to babies and take no pity on children. Babylonia is the most beautiful kingdom of all; it is the pride of its people. But I, the Lord, will overthrow Babylon as I did Sodom and Gomorrah!"

Holy shit.

Please stop using the Bible like this. The bible does not support that God makes nations world powers. That is not the way He works. Israel was never a world power. And the Babylon that conquered Israel (per you to punish them) was not either.

And the medes and Persians did care for silver and gold, but the did not care what god you worshiped.



In Exodus, God, via Moses, was talking to a person, not Egypt. God is telling the person, Ahmose I, that he selected him as Pharaoh for this purpose. You seem to be advocating God raised up and blessed Egypt. This is hard to justify. Here is your timeline. Egypt was raised up to become a world power by God in 3100 BC. It remind a world power until about 1069 BC. Meanwhile, while God was Blessing Egypt, in the about 2000 BC God was telling Abraham and Israel that they were "God's Chosen People". Babylon was at best a regional power and never really a world power.

Again. You claimed God Blessed other nations, All I see is God either rewarding or punishing his people. A stick is not blessed when used for discipline. It's a stick.

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Holy shit.

Please stop using the Bible like this. The bible does not support that God makes nations world powers. That is not the way He works. Israel was never a world power. And the Babylon that conquered Israel (per you to punish them) was not either.

And the medes and Persians did care for silver and gold, but the did not care what god you worshiped.



In Exodus, God, via Moses, was talking to a person, not Egypt. God is telling the person, Ahmose I, that he selected him as Pharaoh for this purpose. You seem to be advocating God raised up and blessed Egypt. This is hard to justify. Here is your timeline. Egypt was raised up to become a world power by God in 3100 BC. It remind a world power until about 1069 BC. Meanwhile, while God was Blessing Egypt, in the about 2000 BC God was telling Abraham and Israel that they were "God's Chosen People". Babylon was at best a regional power and never really a world power.

Again. You claimed God Blessed other nations, All I see is God either rewarding or punishing his people. A stick is not blessed when used for discipline. It's a stick.

You can't read, I submitted for your review specific scriptures and you ignore them because they do not match your limited, in a box God, you have envisioned. I put no limits on God as He will do what pleases Him. I did not say they, Egypt and Babylon, were world powers those are your words, I said, actually scripture says, they were built up to the point where God used them to implement His will.

Let me ask you this, did God bless the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, before Israel defeated them when they inherited the Promised Land? Of course he did, there are numerous scripture references where the Promised land is called a land flowing with milk and honey. God also said that the land he was giving them was —"a land with large, flourishing cities you did not build, houses filled with all kinds of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves you did not plant—then when you eat and are satisfied." Does that sound like a rod was applied to these nations before Israel moved in? No, they were blessed for the sake of Israel. Israel punished these nations, at God's command, for the idolatry and sacrificing their children to pagan gods.

You do not know the bible! You only think you do! Please read it from front to back like you would any other book.

You can either accept scripture or you can reject it - your choice. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!

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You can't read, I submitted for your review specific scriptures and you ignore them because they do not match your limited, in a box God, you have envisioned. I put no limits on God as He will do what pleases Him. I did not say they, Egypt and Babylon, were world powers those are your words, I said, actually scripture says, they were built up to the point where God used them to implement His will.

Let me ask you this, did God bless the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, before Israel defeated them when they inherited the Promised Land? Of course he did, there are numerous scripture references where the Promised land is called a land flowing with milk and honey. God also said that the land he was giving them was ?"a land with large, flourishing cities you did not build, houses filled with all kinds of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves you did not plant?then when you eat and are satisfied." Does that sound like a rod was applied to these nations before Israel moved in? No, they were blessed for the sake of Israel. Israel punished these nations, at God's command, for the idolatry and sacrificing their children to pagan gods.

You do not know the bible! You only think you do! Please read it from front to back like you would any other book.

You can either accept scripture or you can reject it - your choice. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!

No. I'm reading what you said and how you compared the US to Egypt and Babylon.

No God did not "bless the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites" He blessed the land of Jacob and Abraham, the land of his Chosen People. But he did not bless it enough to allow the sons of Jacob to live there. They had to move to Egypt.

I'm not the one twisting it into some sort of pat on the back due to the random luck of where I was born.

I have read the Bible. But I also understand History and allegory.

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No. I'm reading what you said and how you compared the US to Egypt and Babylon.

No God did not "bless the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites" He blessed the land of Jacob and Abraham, the land of his Chosen People. But he did not bless it enough to allow the sons of Jacob to live there. They had to move to Egypt.

I'm not the one twisting it into some sort of pat on the back due to the random luck of where I was born.

I have read the Bible. But I also understand History and allegory.

Yes, they had to move to Egypt to increase in number to be able to defeat the nations of the Promised Land - it took 400 years while they were enslaved and oppressed (that is why God displayed his powers to crush the Egyptians - they were cruel to Israel). But during the 400 years they were in Egypt, yes indeed the nations in the promised land were blessed so that the land would be good and filled with milk and honey for Israel when they occupied the land.

Who said anything about random luck and patting one self on the back, I have said nothing about me personally - like I am rich, I live in a mansion, I have boats, planes and every other material luxury. All I have done is display scripture for your reading and comprehension.

Now I see the issue here, you interpret the bible allegorically (your words not mine) and I interpret it literally except where it explicitly states otherwise. For example if scripture uses terms like "it is like", "it can be compared to", "these things are to be taken figuratively", etc, then we know the following passage it not literal but figurative speech in order to teach a lesson. The parables of Jesus are other examples.

“Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’"