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    Quote Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder View Post
    I am confused about OAN. I've never watched it. It's not available from the cable outlet in my area. I only know of it thru reading a couple of Twitter profiles of corespondents whom I thought were conservative. That said, even Coach Grundy seems to be confused about it, and there's something deeper at play between he and Chuba.
    The simple and short answer is...POTUS likes them because they say nice things (which he has said so himself), so they got WH press credentials, he and his peeps retweet their stories, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg View Post
    Sports badly need to come back.
    THIS x100^

    Tomorrow is my birthday, and a year ago tomorrow night, I was watching our comeback game vs Auburn in OMAHA. Please, God, bring back sports...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    THIS x100^

    Tomorrow is my birthday, and a year ago tomorrow night, I was watching our comeback game vs Auburn in OMAHA. Please, God, bring back sports...
    Saturday is mine. Cheers
    I don't even care about NBA, but bring it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg View Post
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    I don't believe sports and political/social issues will ever separated again. Espn, social media give athletes the platform. Also as some writer said on Finebaum today, athletes have the leverage to speak up.
    The thing about that is I think some of them won't because if you "say the wrong thing" you could end like Drew Brees. On the other side you could also end up like Colin Kaepernick.

    So IMO in general like a lot of things it's typically better to keep it to yourself no matter what you believe.

    And because of that I don't really agree with that guy on ESPN that athletes totally have the "leverage to speak up".

    Now ESPN will certainly try to keep politics in the forefront but they're incredibly out of touch with their audience. A lot of sports fans don't care what Lebron thinks about this or that. And the NFL draft was hilarious with how they somehow found some hardship that each player had to go through. All I want from ESPN is the score and highlights. If I want politics I'll watch CNN, Fox News, or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    ??? One was the head of a communist party and one was the head of a socialist party. Neither was on the right.
    If you think Hitler was a socialist, your grasp of history is not great. He put socialists in the concentration camps to die with the Jews, Gypsies, and the rest. He details exactly what he thinks of socialism in Mein Kampf.

    Dan Carlin actually explains this much better than me in one of his podcasts:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Attacking Gundy for wearing a right wing T shirt.

    I'm so sick of politics.

    The innate problem here with all this garbage is that by chastising people's opinions that you don't agree with, you prevent conversation, which prevents society's problems from being solved.

    Again, I'm in no way taking a political side, but as I've said before about Wolken, what progress is made in society, it will absolutely not happen by chastising the people that have opinions that you don't agree with.

    We all have different life experiences that have shaped the way we see the world & just because we are unable to understand someone else's life experience, doesn't mean that they're wrong. It just means that their life experiences have not allowed them to understand what you believe.

    Therefore, it's pertinent that conversation & discussion happen on a consistent basis both ways & without judgement. That's the only way change happens without blood shed.

    Cancel culture refuses to do that &, regardless of your political stances, that's a huge huge problem.
    Damn Gun .. damn good post here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    The simple and short answer is...POTUS likes them because they say nice things (which he has said so himself), so they got WH press credentials, he and his peeps retweet their stories, etc.
    Interesting that you said that. Longer and more puzzling answer is below.

    Dr. Alveda King, the niece of MLK, and another King lady that leads the King foundation if I remember correctly, were recently on OAN talking about how much Trump has done for the black community with criminal justice reform and opportunity zones so blacks can have school choice. Dr. Alveda said the dream MLK had has come back alive because of Trump. She also went on to say she doesn't understand why the left is trashing him so much about being racist cause he's done far more for blacks than Obama ever did. And OAN also showed how Trump historically has helped the black community many times in his life. Including sending a plane to pick up Nelson Mandela somewhere when he couldn't get a plane ride for some reason (can't remember all the specifics but they called Trump up to see if he'd help and ... he did).

    Awww ... those 2 ladies probably ain't got a real clue about race relations. So I'm pretty sure you won't see either of them on CNN. CNN is the definitive news authority and Al Sharpton speaks for all the black community *****

    I was really scratching my head over those interviews with the King ladies but now ... you've explained it and made so much sense doing so I'm sold that OAN is crap. I'll go back to CNN now *****

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg View Post
    Saturday is mine. Cheers
    I don't even care about NBA, but bring it on.
    Happy Birthday to both of you!
    Praise The Lord and Go Dawgs!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    The thing about that is I think some of them won't because if you "say the wrong thing" you could end like Drew Brees. On the other side you could also end up like Colin Kaepernick.

    So IMO in general like a lot of things it's typically better to keep it to yourself no matter what you believe.

    And because of that I don't really agree with that guy on ESPN that athletes totally have the "leverage to speak up".

    Now ESPN will certainly try to keep politics in the forefront but they're incredibly out of touch with their audience. A lot of sports fans don't care what Lebron thinks about this or that. And the NFL draft was hilarious with how they somehow found some hardship that each player had to go through. All I want from ESPN is the score and highlights. If I want politics I'll watch CNN, Fox News, or whatever.
    Yep. People that think the players have all the power are misguided. The fans pay the bills and the vast majority of the fans disagree with these players politically on just about every issue. The more that they shove it down the throat of the consumer the closer we are getting to a radical shift in viewership. ESPN has lost viewers on all of its shows due to injecting politics into their programming and the same thing will happen with the sports themselves if this path is continued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    If you think Hitler was a socialist, your grasp of history is not great. He put socialists in the concentration camps to die with the Jews, Gypsies, and the rest. He details exactly what he thinks of socialism in Mein Kampf.

    Dan Carlin actually explains this much better than me in one of his podcasts:

    How could I forgot that the national socialists weren?t real socialists just like no communists have ever been real communists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    No I didn't. I called out OAN. Those people aren't conservative; they're something else.



    Lol, I didn't say "conservative media" was delving in antisemitic conspiracy theories; I said OAN was. I even went as far as distinguishing the difference between more respectable "conservative media" and the likes of OAN. There are plenty of conservative media types I not only read for info, but whose opinions I respect (even when I disagree with them, which is often). OAN is trash.
    What if Gundy doesn't see OAN like you do?

    What if he only sees them as a channel that has similar opinions as himself & has no idea where that falls on the political scale?

    I continue to hear from liberals that OAN is a far right channel, but that's from their perspective. What if a conservative doesn't see it that way?

    The inability for either side of this to understand what it's like to walk a mile in another man's moccasins IS THE PROBLEM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    That's the thing, though, you're equating Huff Post and OAN as media equals, which is hilarious. I don't care how much you despise Huff Post, or consider them liberal hacks who are full of shit...and that's perfectly fine. Huff Post has their fair share of hacks, as does every network/media entity. I could share similar feelings about certain talking heads on the right, such as a Sean Hannity or Glen Beck, but even on their worst days (and there are a lot of 'em), I wouldn't lower them to the likes of OAN. That's what you're not getting. Apples and bowling balls.
    Again, this is your perspective. Stop making everyone else have the same one. See the problem here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    The simple and short answer is...POTUS likes them because they say nice things (which he has said so himself), so they got WH press credentials, he and his peeps retweet their stories, etc.
    I've never watched OAN, but have they said something openly racist to make you believe they are racist?

    If so, can you provide an example?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    And because of that I don't really agree with that guy on ESPN that athletes totally have the "leverage to speak up".
    And this the problem....

    Cancel culture is doing it's damndest to prevent conversation when conversation is the only way to solve this. There is a growing silent majority that is scared of discussing these issues for the betterment of society because they are scared of getting cancelled because they don't hold the same opinion the canceller
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    If you think Hitler was a socialist, your grasp of history is not great. He put socialists in the concentration camps to die with the Jews, Gypsies, and the rest. He details exactly what he thinks of socialism in Mein Kampf.

    Dan Carlin actually explains this much better than me in one of his podcasts:

    I watched this a while back & got my opinion from here. The confusion over whether Hitler was socialist or fascist proves my point. At their extremes, they are the same. Intolerant & evil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    How could I forgot that the national socialists weren?t real socialists just like no communists have ever been real communists.
    That's ... not the argument anyone made. "National socialism" (or Nationalsozialismus) never aspired to be socialist, never considered themselves to be socialist, and it is very apparent in Hitler or any other leader's writing that they despised socialism and considered themselves to be the total opposite.

    Just because the terms "socialism" and "National socialism" are similar doesn't mean they actually are similar. They are in fact very different. Hitler hated socialism. All of the Nazi leadership hated socialism. Modern neo-Nazis hate socialism. There isn't a country anywhere where neo-Nazis have any power, but literal fascists do hold some parliamentary seats in parts of Europe, and all of them hate socialism too.

    This is all very well documented stuff, and Mein Kampf is public domain now, and if you're so inclined you can read it straight from Hitler's mouth which side of the political aisle he was on, and what he thought about socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Again, this is your perspective. Stop making everyone else have the same one. See the problem here?
    What's the point of a message board, if not to share and debate opinions?

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    Screw MLB. They could be prime time sports during all of this, but they can't get it done and they're going to lose fans because of it.

    NBA is starting to balk too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    What if Gundy doesn't see OAN like you do?

    What if he only sees them as a channel that has similar opinions as himself & has no idea where that falls on the political scale?

    I continue to hear from liberals that OAN is a far right channel, but that's from their perspective. What if a conservative doesn't see it that way?

    The inability for either side of this to understand what it's like to walk a mile in another man's moccasins IS THE PROBLEM.
    Ok, fine. Perspective, I get it. I agree in spirit, but it's odd you admit to not knowing much about OAN, yet at the same time feel the need to defend them.

    Let's say instead of an OAN shirt, it was something about Sandy Hook or 911 being an inside job, or about how vaccines cause autism, or how Jews control the world, or the earth being FLAT? Would you be defending his "perspectives" then with the same vigor?

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