Dan Wolken

[ShotgunDawg]

What's the point of a message board, if not to share and debate opinions?

Agree. Goes both ways.

[Quaoarsking]

Agree. Goes both ways.

... so Beardo makes his case, you make yours, and we're all good? I don't see what your complaint is.

[ShotgunDawg]

Ok, fine. Perspective, I get it. I agree in spirit, but it's odd you admit to not knowing much about OAN, yet at the same time feel the need to defend them.

Let's say instead of an OAN shirt, it was something about Sandy Hook or 911 being an inside job, or about how vaccines cause autism, or how Jews control the world, or the earth being FLAT? Would you be defending his "perspectives" then with the same vigor?

I had never heard of OAN before yesterday.

However, after reading around yesterday & watching some Youtube videos, here's what I know about OAN.

1. They are very conservative & blunt. I can see where they are insensitive. However, insensitive is in no way racist & furthermore, not everyone undestands what is insensitive & what is not.

2. I've seen nothing that insinuates that they are actually racist or clowns.

[ShotgunDawg]

... so Beardo makes his case, you make yours, and we're all good? I don't see what your complaint is.

I don't have a complaint. Just pointing out that Beardo's opinion that OAN is an unacceptable level or far right is completely based on his perspective & nothing more.

I'm against cancel culture & the far left, not liberals. I'm actually sympathetic to some liberal policies.

I just hate the idea of someone's career, name, or livelyhood being effected in anyway by their political beliefs so long as those beliefs are peaceful.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

What if Gundy doesn't see OAN like you do?

What if he only sees them as a channel that has similar opinions as himself & has no idea where that falls on the political scale?

I continue to hear from liberals that OAN is a far right channel, but that's from their perspective. What if a conservative doesn't see it that way?

The inability for either side of this to understand what it's like to walk a mile in another man's moccasins IS THE PROBLEM.

This is correct. I don' watch OAN, but from my perspective, CNN and MSNBC are mostly incoherent left wing propaganda- Don Lemon and Rachel Maddow especially. I have seen many people cite how far right and the countless conspiracies that OAN pushes, but have not been able to find much evidence of things they are saying that are clearly false. I know John Oliver did a segment about them, and I watch John Oliver most weeks (even though it's getting harder and harder), but like Shotgun said, John Oliver isn't the most credible source.

Can someone show me some examples of why OAN is a conspiracy pushing network? I know they are Pro Trump, but that's not what I am talking about.

[Maroonthirteen]

I purposely have not closely followed politics in the past. So I had never heard of OAN either, until yesterday. I watched an hour last night and some YouTube. I don't find it offensive at all.

I've seen more offensive things posted by our players on Twitter.

[Captain Falcon]

We are getting to a really scary spot as far as what is and isn't socially acceptable. For instance, you had a pretty prominent left wing media personality (blue check mark and over 300K followers on Twitter) tweeting things yesterday like "conservatives CANNOT be teachers, police officers, doctors, lawyers, coaches, or bosses because it's unfair for others to be subjected to their deranged judgment" and "having a conservative as a police officer isn't much different from having a KKK member as a police officer." Rational thought has gone way out the door.

I hope that Gundy and Hubbard have truly buried the hatchet and can move forward from this. It's a t shirt with a TV station on it... what are we doing people?

I sincerely hate to say this, but with the way things are going, I am concerned that the media is not done coming after Leach. All it takes is one disgruntled player or former player to say something and here comes the angry mob again, and Wolken will probably be leading the charge. And if that does happen I have very little faith in our administration to handle the situation correctly based on how they handled the infamous tweet a couple of months ago.

[Pipedream]

This is correct. I don' watch OAN, but from my perspective, CNN and MSNBC are mostly incoherent left wing propaganda- Don Lemon and Rachel Maddow especially. I have seen many people cite how far right and the countless conspiracies that OAN pushes, but have not been able to find much evidence of things they are saying that are clearly false. I know John Oliver did a segment about them, and I watch John Oliver most weeks (even though it's getting harder and harder), but like Shotgun said, John Oliver isn't the most credible source.

Can someone show me some examples of why OAN is a conspiracy pushing network? I know they are Pro Trump, but that's not what I am talking about.

Do you know who Alex Jones is? Infowars? This is the cable news equivalent of that. Do you know what Pizza Gate is? They routinely reported it as if it were fact. They are not "far right conservative" on any objective spectrum. It's fringe lunacy. I know no one can agree on anything but it's akin to state run media. Here's some of their most recent work profiled by Oliver. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...ven-less-shame

[Duckdog]

Who gives a shit if its Alex Jones, infowars, AON? How does it effect his job? It doesnt! Maybe Im a Satanist does it matter? How about being atheist or maybe being gay. Thats what makes this country great is that it shouldnt matter. All these #woke people can get ****ed with their facist bullshit.

[TrapGame]

Do you know who Alex Jones is? Infowars? This is the cable news equivalent of that. Do you know what Pizza Gate is? They routinely reported it as if it were fact. They are not "far right conservative" on any objective spectrum. It's fringe lunacy. I know no one can agree on anything but it's akin to state run media. Here's some of their most recent work profiled by Oliver. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...ven-less-shame

John Oliver is your go to on this?!! Really?!

Have you read John Podesta's leaked emails? Either that man is completely obsessed with eating pizza or it's code for something else. In fact, the FBI recognizes those "menu items" Podesta uses as code words used among child sex traffickers.

Maybe you need to go and read those emails, realize they make almost zero sense until you actually substitute the code word meaning to them.

[Pipedream]

John Oliver is your go to on this?!! Really?!

Have you read John Podesta's leaked emails? Either that man is completely obsessed with eating pizza or it's code for something else. In fact, the FBI recognizes those "menu items" Podesta uses as code words used among child sex traffickers.

Maybe you need to go and read those emails, realize they make almost zero sense until you actually substitute the code word meaning to them.

And this is precisely Olivers point at the end. When you don't have the requisite brain cells to realize that the idea of a host of congressman being involved in a child sex trafficking ring, you bite on this sort of sensationalist media conspiracy theories, thus allowing them to spew the garbage to the next person. It's a virus.

[TrapGame]

And this is precisely Olivers point at the end. When you don't have the requisite brain cells to realize that the idea of a host of congressman being involved in a child sex trafficking ring, you bite on this sort of sensationalist media conspiracy theories, thus allowing them to spew the garbage to the next person. It's a virus.

Oh, so it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone like Podesta to be involved in child sex trafficking?

My friend, the naivete is on you. Again, read the emails. Don't bury your head in the sand.

And this isn't republican vs democrat. They're are plenty of republicans who I'm sure have dirty hands on this issue. But, they protect each other.

Oh, and John Oliver is a pompous douchebag. And Alex Jones is nuttier than a fruit cake.

[Pipedream]

Oh, so it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone like Podesta to be involved in child sex trafficking?

My friend, the naivete is on you. Again, read the emails. Don't bury your head in the sand.

And this isn't republican vs democrat. They're are plenty of republicans who I'm sure have dirty hands on this issue. But, they protect each other.

Oh, and John Oliver is a pompous douchebag. And Alex Jones is nuttier than a fruit cake.

Okay man. You're clearly convinced. And that's the real issue at hand. News orgs like OAN reporting this sort of fringe outrageous bait to the public for people to consume and folks like yourself have ran with it. This is the problem when anyone uses the term "free market place for ideas". In the real free market if a biz/entity is this stupid it dies and is never heard from again. In the thought space, you can have such terrible reporting live on forever.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Do you know who Alex Jones is? Infowars? This is the cable news equivalent of that. Do you know what Pizza Gate is? They routinely reported it as if it were fact. They are not "far right conservative" on any objective spectrum. It's fringe lunacy. I know no one can agree on anything but it's akin to state run media. Here's some of their most recent work profiled by Oliver. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...ven-less-shame

I literally spoke about John Oliver in my original post. He is not news. He is satire, and I pretty much watch his show every week. I saw his bit about OAN, but he is so outlandish and so against Trump, that I will not take him as a credible source.

Link a OAN story that you feel is a conspiracy, or anti-whatever and let's watch it. I'm genuinely curious.

[dawgday166]

Oh, so it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone like Podesta to be involved in child sex trafficking?

My friend, the naivete is on you. Again, read the emails. Don't bury your head in the sand.

And this isn't republican vs democrat. They're are plenty of republicans who I'm sure have dirty hands on this issue. But, they protect each other.

Oh, and John Oliver is a pompous douchebag. And Alex Jones is nuttier than a fruit cake.

I literally spoke about John Oliver in my original post. He is not news. He is satire, and I pretty much watch his show every week. I saw his bit about OAN, but he is so outlandish and so against Trump, that I will not take him as a credible source.

Link a OAN story that you feel is a conspiracy, or anti-whatever and let's watch it. I'm genuinely curious.

Good posts right here. Don't know anything about the Podesta thing tho. And I just found out myself about OAN last week and just started watching it. So far I've liked it.

[TrapGame]

Okay man. You're clearly convinced. And that's the real issue at hand. News orgs like OAN reporting this sort of fringe outrageous bait to the public for people to consume and folks like yourself have ran with it. This is the problem when anyone uses the term "free market place for ideas". In the real free market if a biz/entity is this stupid it dies and is never heard from again. In the thought space, you can have such terrible reporting live on forever.

Convinced?

No. I'm just asking questions. We all need to ask questions.

No one talks about pizza, hotdogs, cheese, sauce, finding handkerchiefs (yeah, urban dictionary that one), flying in hotdogs and pizza parties at someone's home over 550 times in 2,000 emails.

You would have to own a pizzeria to be this obsessed with all things pizza.

[SheltonChoked]

If you think Hitler was a socialist, your grasp of history is not great. He put socialists in the concentration camps to die with the Jews, Gypsies, and the rest. He details exactly what he thinks of socialism in Mein Kampf.

Dan Carlin actually explains this much better than me in one of his podcasts:

Don't confuse Johnson's arguments by using Facts. He doesn't.

[Pipedream]

I literally spoke about John Oliver in my original post. He is not news. He is satire, and I pretty much watch his show every week. I saw his bit about OAN, but he is so outlandish and so against Trump, that I will not take him as a credible source.

Link a OAN story that you feel is a conspiracy, or anti-whatever and let's watch it. I'm genuinely curious.

So because an individual is opposed to Trumps policies/behavior they're immediately discredited? That's over half the country pal. But most recently they reported as fact this: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...fa-provocateur

I'm sure most people saw the video of the elderly gentleman getting his head smacked to the ground by the police-they're trying to tie him in as some sort of domestic terrorist. This guy was doing nothing wrong. Peacefully protesting and they tried to smear a man that was simultaneously in critical condition at the hands of those paid to "protect and serve". If that's not troubling to you or anyone else here, I'll see my way out.

[Dawg2003]

I sincerely hate to say this, but with the way things are going, I am concerned that the media is not done coming after Leach. All it takes is one disgruntled player or former player to say something and here comes the angry mob again, and Wolken will probably be leading the charge. And if that does happen I have very little faith in our administration to handle the situation correctly based on how they handled the infamous tweet a couple of months ago.

I've been thinking the same thing. The social media mob is really bad right now. The Twitter mob basically in control at this point. I used to think Twitter wasn't that real life, but I'm not so sure anymore. It seems to be seeping out into real life. Someone made the point that the Twitter mob is the new guillotine. Instead of chopping people's heads off for the wrong opinions, the Twitter mob will ruin your life and take away your job. The social justice movement has used the death of George Floyd to take over the discourse and take control. Leach needs to stay quiet, so people forget he even exists.

I actually wonder what the future of sports even is. I think the social justice crowd is intent on taking sports down.

[Johnson85]

So because an individual is opposed to Trumps policies/behavior they're immediately discredited? That's over half the country pal. But most recently they reported as fact this: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...fa-provocateur

I'm sure most people saw the video of the elderly gentleman getting his head smacked to the ground by the police-they're trying to tie him in as some sort of domestic terrorist. This guy was doing nothing wrong. Peacefully protesting and they tried to smear a man that was simultaneously in critical condition at the hands of those paid to "protect and serve". If that's not troubling to you or anyone else here, I'll see my way out.

That was troubling, but it's also one of those things that are inevitable once you put officers in the situation of using a skirmish line to clear an area.

It's not clear what he was doing with his phone. Presumably he was using his hand with his phone to point or draw attention to something, but and the officer overreacted. I can imagine having a protester reaching toward an officer's belt is a little bit alarming for officers. If it weren't for the protester's age, I think many people would view his reaction as fairly reasonable. There are going to be things that go wrong when you have interactions between police and citizens, and it looks like this officer made a poor judgment call in the moment (assuming the old man wasn't actually trying to skim information, which I'm not sure if that's really even feasible or a reasonable concern for the officer to have had). It also looks like the old man made a poor judgment call, as if you're not nimble enough to break your fall at all, you probably shouldn't advance on a skirmish line. But if there is somebody that needs to lose their job, it's the person that made the call to use a skirmish line to clear the area. Either that was a good call or not, but once it was made, it's more or less inevitable that there are going to be bad things happen unless the citizens obey and disperse.