Buy Or Sell: Croom is Better than Moorhead?

[fader2103]

Croom beat Saban. I don't care what kind of talent Bama had at the time compared to what they had now. They still out recruited us then.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Croom beat Saban. I don't care what kind of talent Bama had at the time compared to what they had now. They still out recruited us then.

Who cares? Our fans have some kind of complex with Alabama. That team sucked. They lost to UL Monroe the very next week at home.

[fader2103]

Who cares? Our fans have some kind of complex with Alabama. That team sucked. They lost to UL Monroe the very next week at home.

It is not just our fan base. Every single team that plays Alabama wants to beat Alabama. Why? because it's ALABAMA. Just like when we beat Michigan in the Gator Bowl. Our fans loved it. Why because it was Michigan! If we played Notre Dame and we beat them then our fans would be excited Why? because it's Notre Dame. These teams are blue-bloods and when they do get beat it is fun for everyone.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

It is not just our fan base. Every single team that plays Alabama wants to beat Alabama. Why? because it's ALABAMA. Just like when we beat Michigan in the Gator Bowl. Our fans loved it. Why because it was Michigan! If we played Notre Dame and we beat them then our fans would be excited Why? because it's Notre Dame. These teams are blue-bloods and when they do get beat it is fun for everyone.

Our fans don't give a crap what ND or Michigan do. Sure anyone would get excited about beating a big name team, but the MSU doesn't actively try to copy ND. We pretty much tried to copy Bama up to Mullen's hiring. Also, I can't tell you how many times I have heard MSU "fans" say that they also pull for Bama. Columbus and Meridian probably have more Bama fans than State.

[fader2103]

Our fans don't give a crap what ND or Michigan do. Sure anyone would get excited about beating a big name team, but the MSU doesn't actively try to copy ND. We pretty much tried to copy Bama up to Mullen's hiring. Also, I can't tell you how many times I have heard MSU "fans" say that they also pull for Bama. Columbus and Meridian probably have more Bama fans than State.

Other teams have tried to copy Alabama, not just MSU. It's just displayed more because we follow MSU. I have heard MSU fans pull for UM, Auburn, LSU, etc... Hell, I pull for Notre Dame outside of MSU.

[Indndawg]

Croom came in and got alot of the problems players out and did a pretty good job recruiting. Just a terrible game planner and lazy.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

We almost missed the opening kick at La Tech because Croom was reading the paper at the hotel and all the assistants were scared to say anything

[HoopsDawg]

We almost missed the opening kick at La Tech because Croom was reading the paper at the hotel and all the assistants were scared to say anything

I don't care if that's true or not, that's hilarious.

[hailstate17]

[QUOTE=Leeshouldveflanked;1251770]We almost missed the opening kick at La Tech because Croom was reading the paper at the hotel and all the assistants were scared to say anything[/QUOTE

Hahahhaha is this true?

[TrapGame]

We almost missed the opening kick at La Tech because Croom was reading the paper at the hotel and all the assistants were scared to say anything

I believe it. If he can fall asleep on a recruit's couch anything's possible.

[Offshore Dawg]

What difference does it make. Leach is here now !!

[Cooterpoot]

While neither was good, Moorhead has left the cupboard more full than Croom did. (The 2008 MSU team had 6 future NFL players, We have had 5 drafted each of the last 2 years).

Croom had his problems with discipline as well, but our offense was horrible under Croom. In 2008, we AVERAGED 275 yards of offense a game.

Leach is inherited a RS FR 4* QB and a great RB. Mullen had a Relf and Dixon. Leach has some experience in the WR. Mullen started 5 True FR at WR. The 2 "experienced WR" in 2009 caught passes for 141 yards.

The 2009 Defense was loaded with Mullen recruits.

Those guys drafted weren't Moorhead's kids. Dixon was as good or better than any RB on our roster now. That 4 star QB will be sitting behind Costello or transferring out. This true freshmen WRs are probably better than what started here last year. Our WR talent was rock bottom. Croom didn't leave an empty roster. Mullen damn sure didn't.
We've had three horrible HCs since Bellard retired and two good ones.

[SheltonChoked]

Those guys drafted weren't Moorhead's kids. Dixon was as good or better than any RB on our roster now. That 4 star QB will be sitting behind Costello or transferring out. This true freshmen WRs are probably better than what started here last year. Our WR talent was rock bottom. Croom didn't leave an empty roster. Mullen damn sure didn't.
We've had three horrible HCs since Bellard retired and two good ones.

Moorhead recruited better.

And Kylin Hill is a better RB than Dixon.

Mullen Recruited all of those Freshman WR, none of them would have come to room shit coast offense...

Never said Moorhead was a good head coach, but Croom was the worst we have had, probably ever.

Some of y'all need to watch some of those Croom era games.

[dawgday166]

Moorhead recruited better.

And Kylin Hill is a better RB than Dixon.

Mullen Recruited all of those Freshman WR, none of them would have come to room shit coast offense...

Never said Moorhead was a good head coach, but Croom was the worst we have had, probably ever.

Some of y'all need to watch some of those Croom era games.

You're delirious if you think Hill better than Dixon. We'll see this year but he ain't been so far.

Croom recruited a lot of the guys on the 2010 team.

Not saying Croom is better ... it's really hard to tell. I do think Croom may have won more games with the 2018 team tho ... although he wouldn't have had Shoop as DC which is why we even won 8.

[SheltonChoked]

You're delirious if you think Hill better than Dixon. We'll see this year but he ain't been so far.

Croom recruited a lot of the guys on the 2010 team.

Not saying Croom is better ... it's really hard to tell. I do think Croom may have won more games with the 2018 team tho ... although he wouldn't have had Shoop as DC which is why we even won 8.

Croom would have won less games because his offense would have been sub 115 like it was every year he was here. We would have run the ball 30 times a game with him and never the qb. We would have had a 5'8" walkon at qb like we did in year 4 under Croom.

Croom gets credit for Dixon, Sherrod, and Kyle Love in 2009. The rest were Mullen guys.

I love AD. He was wasted here under an in over his head, horrible, head coach. Hill is the better back.

Dixon looked like a better back because he carried the ball so much more than Hill. Because he was our only offense.

Dixon averaged 14 carries a game as a freshman, 22 carries per game as a soph, 16 carries a game as a JR. NOt counting his Sr year as that was Mullen. His highest YPC under Croom was 4.4.

Hill averaged 6 carries a game as a freshman, 11 carries per game as a soph, 18 carries a game as a JR. His LOWEST YPC was 5.0.

They both had a similar number of carries per game as JR's

In 12 games as a Jr, Dixon had 197 carries for 869 Yards, 7 Rushing touchdowns, 20 receptions for 117 yards 2 Receiving touchdowns. That's 217 touches, for 986, yards, and 9 TD's

In 13 games as a JR, Hill had 242 carries for 1350 yards and 10 Rushing touchdowns. 18 receptions for 180 yards, 1 Receiving touchdown. That's 260 touches for 1530 yards and 11 TD's.

Kyin almost broke Dixons rushing record this year while carrying the ball less in more games.

[dawgday166]

Kyin almost broke Dixons rushing record this year while carrying the ball less in more games.

Last year Hill gained all his yds against UL, USM, KSU, UK, TAM (couple of wide open very long runs in 2nd half when TAM was half-asleep with 21+ pt lead), Ark, ACU, and OM. All of those teams sucked except for TAM.

Against AU gained 45yd/17 carries, TN 13/11, LSU 34/15, Bama 35/16, Lville 3yds on 7 carries.

Conclusion - against decent competition he has disappeared more times than not. He isn't that powerful, doesn't have breakaway speed or elusiveness either. Also limps off a good bit against good teams and then turns around and comes right back in the game. He doesn't pass block either.

Having said that ... maybe Leach will work with him and make him a back that can make an NFL roster next year. Some of his flaws may be due to not getting good coaching. He still has quite a ways to go to get to Edwards-Helaire level tho.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

[QUOTE=hailstate17;1251773]

We almost missed the opening kick at La Tech because Croom was reading the paper at the hotel and all the assistants were scared to say anything[/QUOTE

Hahahhaha is this true?

I assume this is true, as I have heard this story from more than one source...Croom didnt want to play the game in the first place... The plan was for team to fly down to game and back same day... if I am not mistaken the team stayed in Columbus Ms, had the pre-game meal in Columbus, after the meal everyone is ready to go to plane at GTR and Croom is sitting there reading the paper... finally someone says coach, we have to go now...team rushes to GTR plane hauls ass to Shreveport and busses haul ass to Ruston... After getting to Ruston, they hastily get dressed in less than ideal locker room and rush out to field way behind schedule for pregame warmups...get ass handed to them by La Tech buss back to Shreveport and fly back to GTR.... such was the days of LT and Croom.

[HoopsDawg]

[QUOTE=Leeshouldveflanked;1251788]

I assume this is true, as I have heard this story from more than one source...Croom didn?t want to play the game in the first place... The plan was for team to fly down to game and back same day... if I am not mistaken the team stayed in Columbus Ms, had the pre-game meal in Columbus, after the meal everyone is ready to go to plane at GTR and Croom is sitting there reading the paper... finally someone says ?coach, we have to go now?...team rushes to GTR plane hauls ass to Shreveport and busses haul ass to Ruston... After getting to Ruston, they hastily get dressed in less than ideal ?locker room? and rush out to field way behind schedule for pregame warmups...get ass handed to them by La Tech buss back to Shreveport and fly back to GTR.... such was the days of LT and Croom.

also heard he fell asleep on a QB recruits coach after a big meal.

[Captain Falcon]

I will put it to you this way: What was the maddest you ever got about a Moorhead loss? Some will say 2018 Kentucky or Florida, some will say 2019 Auburn or Tennessee, some will say the 2019 Louisville game. All rightfully infuriating, yes, but all losses to teams that were at least decent and in most cases quite good.

Now let's take a look at Croom's Greatest Hits:

Maine
18 point loss to 2-9 Vandy
14 point loss to 7-5 UAB
17 point loss to 4-7 Ole Miss
12 point loss to 6-6 Houston
Home loss to 4-8 Tulane
Scored 10 points against 3-9 UAB only to escape with an OT win
3 point loss to Georgia where we punted from their 30

And that's just the first three years... He had a freaking 9-25 (4-20) record and we gave him two more years. He should've been gone long before he lost in Ruston, long before the 3-2 game, long before Ole Miss had more points than we had yards of total offense in his last Egg Bowl.

Moorhead sucked... but he could coach circles around Croom.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

I will put it to you this way: What was the maddest you ever got about a Moorhead loss? Some will say 2018 Kentucky or Florida, some will say 2019 Auburn or Tennessee, some will say the 2019 Louisville game. All rightfully infuriating, yes, but all losses to teams that were at least decent and in most cases quite good.

Now let's take a look at Croom's Greatest Hits:

Maine
18 point loss to 2-9 Vandy
14 point loss to 7-5 UAB
17 point loss to 4-7 Ole Miss
12 point loss to 6-6 Houston
Home loss to 4-8 Tulane
Scored 10 points against 3-9 UAB only to escape with an OT win
3 point loss to Georgia where we punted from their 30

And that's just the first three years... He had a freaking 9-25 (4-20) record and we gave him two more years. He should've been gone long before he lost in Ruston, long before the 3-2 game, long before Ole Miss had more points than we had yards of total offense in his last Egg Bowl.

Moorhead sucked... but he could coach circles around Croom.

That Tulane game in 06' was the final straw for me. The school was barely removed a year from Katrina, and barely had a football team. The final score was 32-29 but they totally skull drug us the entire game. It was pathetic. I think we were losing something like 32-6 entering the 4th quarter. They probably had 50 total players.