The TBuck Legacy

[1bigdawg]

He recruited two 4 star players during his time at MSU. They both just transferred.

I know that coaches have to build bonds with players, but it also has to be about MSU and your teammates, too.

To me, Danzler's text is evidence that wasn't the type of coach TBuck was.

[dawgday166]

He recruited two 4 star players during his time at MSU. They both just transferred.

I know that coaches have to build bonds with players, but it also has to be about MSU and your teammates, too.

To me, Danzler's text is evidence that wasn't the type of coach TBuck was.

JJ was a 4*. Who else? Lovett was a 3. Reese was a 3.

[1bigdawg]

JJ was a 4*. Who else? Lovett was a 3. Reese was a 3.

I believe Reese was a 4 star at one point. TBuck's recruiter rep started when we got him after Florida said they did not have room.

[trojandawg]

How many players he actually recruit in put in the league? I feel like Hughes has had more. Wasn't Hughes coaching Banks when he won Thorpe award? Or was that Townsend?

[dawgday166]

How many players he actually recruit in put in the league? I feel like Hughes has had more. Wasn't Hughes coaching Banks when he won Thorpe award? Or was that Townsend?

Townsend. Outside of 2018 I've always thought Townsend was better CB coach than TBuck.

[hailstate17]

Townsend. Outside of 2018 I've always thought Townsend was better CB coach than TBuck.

2018 we had Simmons and Sweat getting to the QB and a safety that receivers feared. It made every other position group look better than they really were.

[dawgday166]

2018 we had Simmons and Sweat getting to the QB and a safety that receivers feared. It made every other position group look better than they really were.

I agree. But corners did play pretty well that year. Especially against Bama. But I do attribute that to Shoop a good bit also. Abrams and Willie with deep front 4 made that D what it was tho.

[Maroonthirteen]

I agree. But corners did play pretty well that year. Especially against Bama. But I do attribute that to Shoop a good bit also. Abrams and Willie with deep front 4 made that D what it was tho.

Bama had better athletes and we held our own. That was coaching.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Danzler?s text...please tell me more about this or point me in the right direction.

[ShotgunDawg]

We're paying the price for changing coaches 3 times in 3 years.

The Cannizzaro and Moorhead hires were simply inexcusable by Cohen.

Hard to fathom that Moorhead could sow so much cancer into a program in such a short amount of time.

[dawgday166]

We're paying the price for changing coaches 3 times in 3 years.

The Cannizzaro and Moorhead hires were simply inexcusable by Cohen.

Hard to fathom that Moorhead could sow so much cancer into a program in such a short amount of time.

I agree Gun. Lot of coaching turnover and coaches looking out for themselves too. When you a student and see the coaches doing the bizness side more than any loyalty side ... what do you expect from players. Especially now since babysharks are all-in with $$$ once again. No doubt in my mind that is what swayed JJ.

Really I think we're back to Freeze vs Mullen part II. Kiffin good analogy to Freeze, Leach good one for Mullen. Recruiting fixing to revert back to that era too from 2012 thru about '14 or so.

[MedDawg]

We're paying the price for changing coaches 3 times in 3 years.

The Cannizzaro and Moorhead hires were simply inexcusable by Cohen.

Hard to fathom that Moorhead could sow so much cancer into a program in such a short amount of time.

Disagree with point #2. Both were fine hires. No way Cohen could have predicted either coach's problems. The Moorhead hire was seen nationally as a good hire.

What a good AD has to do is take care of the problems, and Cohen did VERY quickly. Fired Cann three games into a season (after making a Super Regional the year before) and fired Moorhead after just two seasons (and making bowl games in both). Quick decision making like that hasn't happened at State before (or at least for decades). Our previous ADs tended to linger and linger to give coaches 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances. Croom got 5 seasons. Even Rick Ray got 3.

Then Cohen went and hired two better coaches. Plus he has hired quality coaches in other sports (volleyball, softball, women's basketball).

I agree with your points #1 and #3.

[ShotgunDawg]

Disagree with point #2. Both were fine hires. No way Cohen could have predicted either coach's problems. The Moorhead hire was seen nationally as a good hire.

What a good AD has to do is take care of the problems, and Cohen did VERY quickly. Fired Cann three games into a season (after making a Super Regional the year before) and fired Moorhead after just two seasons (and making bowl games in both). Quick decision making like that hasn't happened at State before (or at least for decades). Our previous ADs tended to linger and linger to give coaches 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances. Croom got 5 seasons. Even Rick Ray got 3.

Then Cohen went and hired two better coaches. Plus he has hired quality coaches in other sports (volleyball, softball, women's basketball).

I agree with your points #1 and #3.

You don't know the story.

Cohen didn't do his homework on Canny. Mainieri had problems with Canny when he was at LSU that would've prevented Cohen from hiring him, but Cohen never called Mainieri.

There were a bunch of red flags that Cohen didn't know about because he had a bad relationship with Paul

I will give Cohen credit for seeing his mistakes & taking immediate action though. That's certainly a strong suite of him & I'll also say that the Lemon & Leach hires are of far greater quality than Canny & Moorhead. I think Cohen thought he knew what a great coach was before coming an AD, but has quickly been humbled & realized that it's probably best to not try & outsmart the room.

He's certainly gotten better in that regard. Our baseball program is strong enough to sustain the Canny hire, but I'm ready for our football program to have some stability again. Joe was awful.

[Todd4State]

You don't know the story.

Cohen didn't do his homework on Canny. Mainieri had problems with Canny when he was at LSU that would've prevented Cohen from hiring him, but Cohen never called Mainieri.

There were a bunch of red flags that Cohen didn't know about because he had a bad relationship with Paul

I will give Cohen credit for seeing his mistakes & taking immediate action though. That's certainly a strong suite of him & I'll also say that the Lemon & Leach hires are of far greater quality than Canny & Moorhead. I think Cohen thought he knew what a great coach was before coming an AD, but has quickly been humbled & realized that it's probably best to not try & outsmart the room.

He's certainly gotten better in that regard. Our baseball program is strong enough to sustain the Canny hire, but I'm ready for our football program to have some stability again. Joe was awful.

There was a reason why Tulane didn't hire Cannizzaro I'll leave it at that.

[MedDawg]

You don't know the story.

Cohen didn't do his homework on Canny. Mainieri had problems with Canny when he was at LSU that would've prevented Cohen from hiring him, but Cohen never called Mainieri.

There were a bunch of red flags that Cohen didn't know about because he had a bad relationship with Paul

I will give Cohen credit for seeing his mistakes & taking immediate action though. That's certainly a strong suite of him & I'll also say that the Lemon & Leach hires are of far greater quality than Canny & Moorhead. I think Cohen thought he knew what a great coach was before coming an AD, but has quickly been humbled & realized that it's probably best to not try & outsmart the room.

He's certainly gotten better in that regard. Our baseball program is strong enough to sustain the Canny hire, but I'm ready for our football program to have some stability again. Joe was awful.

All good points. I was a big fan of Joe because I"m also a Penn State grad/fan. I was excited when we hired him and was one of the last to finally want him gone (he did have a tougher SOS than Mullen did). Now I see how undisciplined the team became in just two years. It wasn't even a "players getting arrested in town" kind of thing. The team played sloppy and several good players (even upperclassmen who flourished under Mullen) became overweight and slower.

Now that Leach is installing discipline, there will be players who will leave. Interesting, because I didn't previously know that about Leach, but he had a lot of players leave when he took over at TT and WSU.

I had doubts when Leach let go some of our 'treasured' assistants, even though that's common with new coaches anywhere. Now I'm GLAD that Leach let those coaches go and brought his people with him from Washington State. I'm excited for our football future under Leach (and Arnett).

[Lance Harbor]

Yes, this please.

Danzler?s text...please tell me more about this or point me in the right direction.

[HoopsDawg]

Yes, this please.

Cam said, "you see what happens when you let a GREAT DB coach go?" .

Jarian's reply, "!!!! You said something then Brudda".

[shrimp]

Yes, this please.

It was a tweet, not a text. He also tweeted some stuff about playing for a coach, not a school.

[ShotgunDawg]

I agree Gun. Lot of coaching turnover and coaches looking out for themselves too. When you a student and see the coaches doing the bizness side more than any loyalty side ... what do you expect from players. Especially now since babysharks are all-in with $$$ once again. No doubt in my mind that is what swayed JJ.

Really I think we're back to Freeze vs Mullen part II. Kiffin good analogy to Freeze, Leach good one for Mullen. Recruiting fixing to revert back to that era too from 2012 thru about '14 or so.

I don't think this has a ton to do with Kiffin honestly.

I think this a rare combo of Moorhead culture, Ole Miss boosters, coaching change, a diva, and a kid having friends at OM

Kiffin isn't Freeze and won't be emboldened to cheat like this. Freeze and Kiffin's personalities aren't similar.

[dawgday166]

I don't think this has a ton to do with Kiffin honestly.

I think this a rare combo of Moorhead culture, Ole Miss boosters, coaching change, a diva, and a kid having friends at OM

Kiffin isn't Freeze and won't be emboldened to cheat like this. Freeze and Kiffin's personalities aren't similar.

I'll buy that about Kiffin not being quite the snake Freeze was but ... I do think he'll look the other way while boosters are doing it. And they back at it now.

ETA: Kiffin will do it more like Saban does this time around.