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    If you had you're choice of a guaranteed top 3 future draft choice

    On each side of the ball, which positions would you want them for? These are guaranteed can't miss start from day one type players. You get one on defense and one on offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg View Post
    On each side of the ball, which positions would you want them for? These are guaranteed can't miss start from day one type players. You get one on defense and one on offense.
    QB - DE.. I will caveat that if this was the case I'd also wish we weren't running Leach's system. a top 3 pick in Dan's system would be insane. Means he has all the passing talent Mike's QB would but also athletic enough to run. Basically 2011 Cam. 2011 Cam > Andrew Luck in CFB

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    QB - no explanation needed
    DE - Disrupts passing game
    WR - Offers explosive potential which allows you to change games
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
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    There's no other correct answer. These are the positions on each side of the ball that have the most impact in today's game. Distant second on each side would be WR and CB. You could maybe argue OT over WR as second on offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg View Post
    There's no other correct answer. These are the positions on each side of the ball that have the most impact in today's game. Distant second on each side would be WR and CB. You could maybe argue OT over WR as second on offense.
    Agree that there is no debate at the first two. <del>I would take a LT over WR with the second most important position on offense, but agree that's debatable. Just depends on what the alternative in question is. If you're talking about "replacement player" being the worst starter in the league, then you probably go LT b/c the worst starting LT probably means you have big time problems when you play against those teams with an elite pass rusher while the worst starting #1 receiver is going to limit you, but a good QB can make up for it spreading the ball around. If you are talking about having the average starter, maybe the way a great #1 WR stretches and opens up the field makes it more important than upgrading at LT.</del>

    ETA: I didn't read closely and thought this was about NFL teams. In college, I take a badass WR rather than LT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg View Post
    There's no other correct answer. These are the positions on each side of the ball that have the most impact in today's game. Distant second on each side would be WR and CB. You could maybe argue OT over WR as second on offense.
    You can't compete with Bama without elite WR play.
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    One could argue that a MLB that is bad ass on blitzes, the run, and coverage would be a 1 man wrecking crew.
    QB on offense hands down. I would go with unstoppable RB as well.

    QB and DE is the correct answer though. most impact typical in games.
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    We can debate which positions are most important on the field, but the other component here is supply & demand & the NFL draft highlights that.

    17 of the 1st round NFL picks were QB, OT, & WR with CB being the other major contributor

    Supply & demand is important because it means it's the hardest positions to be elite at & also means it's at those positions you're less likely to have a competent replacement option
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
    One could argue that a MLB that is bad ass on blitzes, the run, and coverage would be a 1 man wrecking crew.
    QB on offense hands down. I would go with unstoppable RB as well.

    QB and DE is the correct answer though. most impact typical in games.
    MLB would be pretty far down my list.

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    Since you didn't specify which sport...

    I'd take a pitcher

    But in the context that most took it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezsoil View Post
    Since you didn't specify which sport...

    I'd take a pitcher

    But in the context that most took it..

    QB
    LB
    Oh... if we get any sport.... I'll take a power hitting SS
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    QB
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    I'd rather have the best DT in college football than the best DE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
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    I'd rather have the best DT in college football than the best DE.
    So you'd rather have Derrick Brown than Chase Young?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    So you'd rather have Derrick Brown than Chase Young?
    Yep, I would as well. If a player is good enough to be a number 1-3 draft pick from the interior... that means they completely dominate everyone they played from the inside position. There is no scheme that takes the interior push out of play if they consistently beat double teams.

    This was the formula that Bill Bellichick used for years to win Superbowls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Rock View Post
    Yep, I would as well. If a player is good enough to be a number 1-3 draft pick from the interior... that means they completely dominate everyone they played from the inside position. There is no scheme that takes the interior push out of play if they consistently beat double teams.

    This was the formula that Bill Bellichick used for years to win Superbowls.
    So.. you'd really take Derrick Brown over Chase Young? I'll give you another try
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    So.. you'd really take Derrick Brown over Chase Young? I'll give you another try
    Derrick Brown was the 7th pick in the draft not a top 3 pick. Bad question, he is not in the equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    So you'd rather have Derrick Brown than Chase Young?
    Are you implying those two were the best at their respective positions in college football? I'm not sure, so I cannot answer that question with respect to my statement that I'd rather have the best DT in college football than the best DE.

    IMO, the DE is much easier to account for and scheme against. You can run away from a 9 technique all day. Can't do that against a 1 technique. You can chip him without committing to doubling him. Cant do that against a 3 technique. You can also bring pressure off the edge with numerous guys/position groups, but only one position (DT) can dominate the interior of a line.

    I believe scheme was why young was a no show down the stretch against MI and Wisconsin and against Clemson in the playoff last year (it wasn't talent bc young was more talented and it wasn't lack of caring about a meaningless game bc he was playing for a natty). Meanwhile, Brown was a beast against LSU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    IMO, the DE is much easier to account for and scheme against. .
    This may be so, but you still have to account for him & allocated bodied to stop him & it take more talented players to stop a great DE than a great DT

    On top of that, the supply & demand of DTs far exceeds that of top shelf DEs. You take the DE everyday & twice on Sunday if he's elite.

    The only time that I would even consider taking a DT above a DE is if that DT has legit pass rushing ability like Chris Jones. With a Chris Jones type, you're still getting the pass rush that needed to stop today's offenses
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    I'm going:

    LT
    CB
    DT

    Got to win in the trenches and you got to be able to cover. You can find a QB in the 3rd round like a Dak, Wilson, etc. Build the trenches and the rest will take care of itself. Example- Tennessee. They plan to be around awhile- after their run to the AFC Title game- they came right back and drafted OT, CB, RB, and DT

    Be great in the trenches and then you can find the rest
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