3 major sports, GOAT.......

[basedog]

Got to thinking about who I thought are the GOATS for MLB, NFL and NBA. Here are mine:

NBA/MJ

MLB/Babe Ruth although we never saw him play.

NFL/Jim Brown. This is the toughest one for me, but watching him on replays, he was just incredible. I saw an interview with him once, he stated when he was tackled he would get up slow, mainly because he didn't want the other team know he was hurt or tired.

Jim Brown and MJ retired in their prime.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'll go with players that I actually saw play, since that's the only way to really do it.

NBA - Jordan

MLB - Bonds

NFL - Brady

[Political Hack]

Mike
Tom
Babe

[ShotgunDawg]

Bonds is better than the Babe

[Lord McBuckethead]

Bonds is better than the Babe

Agreed, and he played during a time where pitchers were soooooo much better. So specialized. Enhanced analytics and all.

[shoeless joe]

Bonds is better than the Babe

Holy shit

[dawgday166]

Bonds is better than the Babe

You're delirious ... not even close.

[ShotgunDawg]

You're delirious ... not even close.

How do you know? Did you see Ruth play?

If not, then you’re just going off what someone told you rather than your own opinion

Ruth was the best of his era but it takes about 5 seconds of comparing the two on YouTube videos to realize that Barry was way way way more talented.

Production was basically a wash

[dawgday166]

How do you know? Did you see Ruth play?

If not, then you’re just going off what someone told rather than your own opinion

Ruth was the best of his era but it takes about 5 seconds of comparing the two on YouTube videos to realize that Barry was way way way more talented.

Look at his stats ... hitting and pitching. World Series too (won 3 with Boston). And he didn't roid up and work out like a madman. He ate hot dogs, drank beer and chased women all night. Bonds ain't as good as Chipper if he don't roid up.

[Commercecomet24]

How do you know? Did you see Ruth play?

If not, then you’re just going off what someone told you rather than your own opinion

Ruth was the best of his era but it takes about 5 seconds of comparing the two on YouTube videos to realize that Barry was way way way more talented.

Production was basically a wash

Yes but what are you basing GOAT status on? Production or talent? Becuase Tom Brady sure isn't the most talented football player that ever lived, but he is the most productive and succesful. MJ is both talented and productive.So there could be categories of GOAT, most talented or most productive. Based on production AND success Babe would top Bonds i.e. world titles, stats, fact babe was a successful pitcher. Talent wise Bonds would get the nod, so what are you basing it on, talent or production?

ETA and this is the reason baseball gets these type responses more than any other sport and I love that about the game.

[Johnson85]

How do you know? Did you see Ruth play?

If not, then you?re just going off what someone told you rather than your own opinion

Ruth was the best of his era but it takes about 5 seconds of comparing the two on YouTube videos to realize that Barry was way way way more talented.

Production was basically a wash

Hard to adjust for the fact that Bonds got to put a big ass pad on his arm and take a way a good chunk of the plate without consequences. Some of the other greats would have gotten a ball or two in their ear hole if they tried to pull shit like that.

[Political Hack]

How do you know? Did you see Ruth play?

If not, then you?re just going off what someone told you rather than your own opinion

How did Bonds compare when you saw Ruth play?

[smootness]

How do you know? Did you see Ruth play?

If not, then you?re just going off what someone told you rather than your own opinion

Ruth was the best of his era but it takes about 5 seconds of comparing the two on YouTube videos to realize that Barry was way way way more talented.

Production was basically a wash

This is where people get unnecessarily stuck when talking about this.

You can't compare athletes currently to athletes 100 years ago. If Bonds were around in 1920, or if Ruth were around today, that difference would be mostly eliminated. LOL if you think Ruth wasn't absurdly athletic and talented. We see a guy with some fat on him who didn't run real fast when trotting around the bases, but the guy was an elite pitcher and then the greatest hitter of all-time and completely changed the game single-handedly. He didn't do that because he was big, or because he swung a big bat.

He did that because he was a phenomenal athlete, had fantastic hand-eye coordination, pitch recognition, fluidity, etc. He was an amazing athlete.

You have to compare athletes to the era in which they played. Before roids, Ruth was better compared to his era. Once he was roided out, Bonds was roughly equal to Ruth, at best. Therefore, I'm saying Ruth had the better career.

[Percho]

Bonds is better than the Babe

Have you considering the Babe as a pitcher?

Posted before I read past your post.

[tcdog70]

Bonds is better than the Babe

Remind me how many games Bonds won pitching? And Babe hit his bombs in the dead ball era without diluted pitching and he wasn't on drugs.

[Lord McBuckethead]

If I were to list people I saw play, I may be able to get it down to 3-5 in each sport
NBA - Jordan, Kobe, James
MLB hitters - Bonds, McGuire, Pujols, Ken Griffey Jr.
MLB Pitchers - Maddox, Clemmons, Kerry Wood (prior to injury), Randy Johnson
NFL - Brady, Montana, Marino, Adrian Peterson

One of my favorite players to watch was Ichiro. Dude flat out did everything well and played about as hard as someone could. He just wasn't the absolute best at any one thing.
Bonds, although he was a blatant cheaters, hit a shit ton of hrs with taking around 40% intentional walks. Absolute crazy HR/AB numbers. He could have had around 90 that season if they pitched to him.

[Commercecomet24]

MJ
Brady
I guess I'm going with Ruth since he was not only a great hitter but a pretty dang good pitcher early on too and he also changed the game. Baseball is a tough one for me because there have been so many greats. I believe Mantle was the most talented ever and had he taken better care of himself would've put up some insane numbers. Willie Mays, Aaron as well as some other it's a tough call. Trout is still young. Like I said it's a tough call and extremely open to opinion.

[KOdawg1]

I think MJ for the NBA and Brady for the NFL are pretty easy.

You can make the argument for several players in MLB but I'm gonna go with Hank Aaron

[shoeless joe]

Jordan, Jim brown, and baseball is tough for me...granted I didn’t see them play but mantle and mays have got to be two of the best all around baseball talents ever.

[ShotgunDawg]

Ruth has a 20 WAR lead on Bonds all time. However, exactly 20 of Ruth’s WAR came as a pitcher, thus making their offensive WAR exactly the same.

To separate them, your going to have to use more than stats and hopefully this discussion is actually a little deeper than stats since they don’t tell the entire story.