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05-05-2020, 04:31 PM
#101
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
I'm saying we don't know who all used them but many many did in that era
Don't think Chipper did cause he never hit the monster shots and he also had a lot of naggin injuries later in his career too.
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05-05-2020, 04:32 PM
#102
Originally Posted by
Matt3467
If we're talking HR hitters and ignoring those that cheated then you have to have McGwire in the discussion. McGwire average more homeruns per at-bat than any other player in history.
McGwire used roids too. Maybe not early in his career but when he broke HR record he was using them.
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05-05-2020, 04:32 PM
#103
Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Don't think Chipper did cause he never hit the monster shots and he also had a lot of naggin injuries later in his career too.
Yeah he started breaking down about the age the pre steroid era guys used to break down.
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05-05-2020, 04:48 PM
#104
Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Don't think Chipper did cause he never hit the monster shots and he also had a lot of naggin injuries later in his career too.
I would say your opinion is biased and lack any real evidence. I wouldn’t have told you Raffy did them either
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
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05-05-2020, 04:49 PM
#105
Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Yeah he started breaking down about the age the pre steroid era guys used to break down.
This just isn’t solid reasoning. No evidence here.
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05-05-2020, 04:55 PM
#106
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
I would say your opinion is biased and lack any real evidence. I wouldn?t have told you Raffy did them either
And I'm sure your's is steeped in hard facts, data, and Einstein level of knowledge ******
BTW ... I could tell Raffy was doing them later in his career when he was doing them.
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05-05-2020, 04:56 PM
#107
Originally Posted by
dawgday166
McGwire used roids too. Maybe not early in his career but when he broke HR record he was using them.
Yea that was point. It was obvious he was on something. When McGwire came into the league he was a skinny guy much like Bonds but it was easy to tell once they were on them. They were built like tanks.
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05-05-2020, 04:57 PM
#108
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
This just isn?t solid reasoning. No evidence here.
And wheres your evidence he did?
Mines as solid as yours lol!
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05-05-2020, 05:01 PM
#109
Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
And wheres your evidence he did?
Mines as solid as yours lol!
Do you not recognize brilliance and superior intellect when it's on display *****
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05-05-2020, 05:02 PM
#110
Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Do you not recognize brilliance and superior intellect when it's on display *****
I guess not lol!
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05-05-2020, 05:14 PM
#111
Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Don't think Chipper did cause he never hit the monster shots and he also had a lot of naggin injuries later in his career too.
Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Yeah he started breaking down about the age the pre steroid era guys used to break down.
I don't believe he did either. Chipper was just a great talent. He was also consistent during his prime playing years.
A good example of what steroids can do for a player is looking a Javy Lopez's '03 year and comparing it to the rest of his career. The only other time he hit more than 30 homeruns was in '98 and even then his other number didn't come close to his '03 year at 32 years old. Also, not proven, but I believe Brady Anderson was using them during his '96 season when he hit 50 homeruns. Anderson never hit more than 24 homeruns any other time during his career.
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05-05-2020, 05:26 PM
#112
Btw, if I was choosing a QB, I could go with Joe Montana and so between he a Brady a push. But my favorite QB growing up as a kid was Johnny Unitas. Master mind he had especially calling his own plays. Just saying.
But go watch Jim Brown, he was a beast, like someone described him back in his day, "If he revealed what under his shoulder pads you would see a big S and realize he was the real Superman"!
Now just to change the subject, but from what I've read about Jim Thorpe he may have been the GOAT for being an athletic. Dude was great in everything he did, baseball, football and track!
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05-05-2020, 05:32 PM
#113
Originally Posted by
basedog
Btw, if I was choosing a QB, I could go with Joe Montana and so between he a Brady a push. But my favorite QB growing up as a kid was Johnny Unitas. Master mind he had especially calling his own plays. Just saying.
But go watch Jim Brown, he was a beast, like someone described him back in his day, "If he revealed what under his shoulder pads you would see a big S and realize he was the real Superman"!
Now just to change the subject, but from what I've read about Jim Thorpe he may have been the GOAT for being an athletic. Dude was great in everything he did, baseball, football and track!
How are Brady & Montana a push?
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05-05-2020, 05:32 PM
#114
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
How do you know? Did you see Ruth play?
If not, then you?re just going off what someone told you rather than your own opinion
How did Bonds compare when you saw Ruth play?
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05-05-2020, 05:34 PM
#115
Originally Posted by
basedog
Btw, if I was choosing a QB, I could go with Joe Montana and so between he a Brady a push. But my favorite QB growing up as a kid was Johnny Unitas. Master mind he had especially calling his own plays. Just saying.
But go watch Jim Brown, he was a beast, like someone described him back in his day, "If he revealed what under his shoulder pads you would see a big S and realize he was the real Superman"!
Now just to change the subject, but from what I've read about Jim Thorpe he may have been the GOAT for being an athletic. Dude was great in everything he did, baseball, football and track!
Agree with all this and personally would choose Montana over Brady.
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05-05-2020, 05:37 PM
#116
Originally Posted by
Political Hack
How did Bonds compare when you saw Ruth play?
You tell me which one looks like the better player
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05-05-2020, 05:37 PM
#117
Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Agree with all this and personally would choose Montana over Brady.
Huh? Please explain...
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05-05-2020, 05:37 PM
#118
Originally Posted by
Political Hack
How did Bonds compare when you saw Ruth play?
Dang Hack!
Rep Given!
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05-05-2020, 05:38 PM
#119
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
This just isn’t solid reasoning. No evidence here.
Lol what? Chipper Jones didn't use steroids. You can't prove that he did just like I can't prove that he didn't. But I can look at the trajectory of his health and production, and Chipper started breaking down
during the same years Bonds and other steroid users kept rolling.
You're on this hill, and you're literally the only one.
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05-05-2020, 05:39 PM
#120
Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
And wheres your evidence he did?
Mines as solid as yours lol!
He knows a guy who knows a guy who knows for a fact Chipper was juicing *
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