A statistical comparison of MSU, Auburn, and Ole Miss since 2011

[DeviousDawg]

While working on another, far more extensive post, I ran across these stats when doing some research...

Since 2011-

Average recruiting ranking:

1. Auburn- #11
2. Ole Miss- #23
3. Miss State- #27

Total 5* signed:

1. Auburn- 11
2. Ole Miss- 9
3. Miss State- 3

Total 4* signed:

1. Auburn- 128
2. Ole Miss- 56
3. Miss State- 43

Total amount of NFL draft picks:

1. Auburn- 38
2. Miss State- 34
3. Ole Miss- 23

Overall win/loss record:

1. Auburn- (73-45) | 62% wins
2. Miss State- (70-47) | 60% wins
3. Ole Miss- (56-56) | 50% wins

If you add the 2010 Cam Newton national championship season to the win loss records (2010-2019), the numbers look like this.

Overall win/loss record(2010-2019):

1. Auburn- (87-45) | 66% wins
2. Miss State- (79-51) | 61% wins
3. Ole Miss- (60-64) | 48% wins

Bowl Game Appearances(since 2010):

1. MSU- 10
2. Auburn- 9
3. Ole Miss- 4

What do you take from this? Well you could interpret it a lot of ways, but personally this is what I see...

Around 2010 we entered a new era of college football. The Power 5 era. You could call it the CFP era but Power 5 fits better imo. This era was ushered in when the powers that be decided that the big 5 conferences would stand far above the rest of Division 1 football. Automatically, the teams in P5 conferences that were historically bad programs, got a shot in the arm because now they stand above all D1 programs that are not in the P5, which means better recruiting and more exposure. What really set it all in motion was the emergence of conference network channels, like the SEC Network, Big10 Network, PAC 12 Network and ACC Network. These ludicrous TV deals gave another, even stronger shot in the arm to P5 programs that were historically bad to mediocre. These deals are split evenly among conference members, which allowed the historically bad programs to get much closer and even compete with the athletic budgets of historical blue blood powers. At the same time, it pushed these historically bad programs, another several levels above all other non-P5 D1 football programs, creating a gap that G5 programs will never be able to close.

Mississippi State use these advantages of the new era to crawl out of the basement, and make a name for themselves in the college football landscape. They used the money and exposure of the new era of network deals to slowly, but steadily, become a top 25 program, something that 15 years ago would've seemed like nothing more than a dream.

Back to the idea, so what do the above numbers mean? They mean that in today's new era of College Football, Mississippi State's football program is much closer to Auburn than they are Ole Miss (in real results, like wins and draft picks). We have taken the next step, it was just so slow that we didn't realize it happening in real time. We have done it the right way and built something to last, and because of all this, we were able to hire one of the best football coaches in America, and are now starting to get the attention of P5 football prospects across the Southeast, and even country.

Mississippi State had 4 less draft picks and 3 less wins than Auburn in the last decade and new era of college football, that's 0.4 and 0.3 less draft picks and wins per season, respectively. This is with Auburn signing 139 4* and 5* players, and MSU only signing 46 4* and 5* players. That gap is so huge that it seems impossible that the results made from those players are essentially equal.

Mississippi State has had 11 more draft picks and 14 more wins (or 19 if looking back to 2010) than Ole Miss in the new era of CFB, that's 1.1 and 1.4(or 1.9 if looking back to 2010) more draft picks and wins per season, respectively.

The numbers don't lie folks. Right now, the present time, the time that matters, Mississippi State's Football program is head over heels better than Ole Miss's Football program, don't let them tell you otherwise. They had to cheat at a rate not seen since SMU's heyday, and that wasn't even enough to keep up with MSU's program.

But hey, Ole Miss had a higher average recruiting ranking over that period, and that's all that matters, right?? Who cares that Ole Miss actually finished with a losing record on the field in the last decade while MSU finished 28 games over .500?

MSU>>>Ole Miss

NUMBERS...DON'T...LIE...

[DeviousDawg]

In Summary:

In the last decade....
-MSU had 6 more bowl game appearances than Ole Miss
-MSU had 19 more wins than Ole Miss
-MSU had 11 more NFL draft picks than Ole Miss

-MSU had 1 more bowl game appearance than Auburn
-MSU had 3 less wins than Auburn(or 8 if looking at 2010 too)
-MSU had 4 less NFL draft picks than Auburn

We are closer as a program to Auburn than we are Ole Miss. There is no argument.

[viverlibre]

One word, *******. Had he stayed one more season and coached that 2018 team, what could have been...

He was the right coach at the right time.

[WinningIsRelentless]

Congrats Devious you just got Ole Miss on probation again in 3-5.

[Todd4State]

Great post again. One important thing that the rise of the P5 did for MSU is it separated us from USM. That was another team we used to compete with for players. That and playing them in 2014 and winning 49-0 (should have been 63-0 if our fullback didn't screw up on the goal line and Dak underthrew a ball that was picked in the end zone- and yes, that's nitpicky). Eliminating them as competition has really helped us. Think about Chris Jones- I believe USM had or was recruiting him and in the past they may have been a factor but they weren't in the end and it's because we're SEC.

I think that and to piggyback on one of your other posts- integration to me was really THE first start for us becoming what we are. When we got Frank Dowsing and I think his name was Robert Bell- we upset Ole Miss in 1970 and Dowsing had a big game that day. Ole Miss really has never been the same since Archie and Vaught left. Unless they cheated their ass off. I think Ole Miss made a major mistake not hiring Bob Tyler and MSU really capitalized on that. And while he may have been a bad AD- I won't argue with that since he got us on probation- he was a good football coach who own 9 games twice in his career on the field at MSU. That had not happened since the 1940's.

I think the difference in philosophy of program building between MSU and Ole Miss has been quite stark. We were willing to build knowing that hey, we may go 5-7 one year (2009) but in the long run consistently having a good culture has resulted in sustained success.

One thing that I think would surprise some fans is we do typically point to 1991 as a change in eras and rightfully so as the Egg Bowl moved back to campus from Jackson and Jackie became our coach but if you go back to 1987 we have a 17-16 lead in the Egg Bowl.

[parabrave]

While working on another, far more extensive post, I ran across these stats when doing some research...

Since 2011-

Average recruiting ranking:

1. Auburn- #11
2. Ole Miss- #23
3. Miss State- #27

Total 5* signed:

1. Auburn- 11
2. Ole Miss- 9
3. Miss State- 3

Total 4* signed:

1. Auburn- 128
2. Ole Miss- 56
3. Miss State- 43

Total amount of NFL draft picks:

1. Auburn- 38
2. Miss State- 34
3. Ole Miss- 23

Overall win/loss record:

1. Auburn- (73-45) | 62% wins
2. Miss State- (70-47) | 60% wins
3. Ole Miss- (56-56) | 50% wins

If you add the 2010 Cam Newton national championship season to the win loss records (2010-2019), the numbers look like this.

Overall win/loss record(2010-2019):

1. Auburn- (87-45) | 66% wins
2. Miss State- (79-51) | 61% wins
3. Ole Miss- (60-64) | 48% wins

Bowl Game Appearances(since 2010):

1. MSU- 10
2. Auburn- 9
3. Ole Miss- 4

What do you take from this? Well you could interpret it a lot of ways, but personally this is what I see...

Around 2010 we entered a new era of college football. The Power 5 era. You could call it the CFP era but Power 5 fits better imo. This era was ushered in when the powers that be decided that the big 5 conferences would stand far above the rest of Division 1 football. Automatically, the teams in P5 conferences that were historically bad programs, got a shot in the arm because now they stand above all D1 programs that are not in the P5, which means better recruiting and more exposure. What really set it all in motion was the emergence of conference network channels, like the SEC Network, Big10 Network, PAC 12 Network and ACC Network. These ludicrous TV deals gave another, even stronger shot in the arm to P5 programs that were historically bad to mediocre. These deals are split evenly among conference members, which allowed the historically bad programs to get much closer and even compete with the athletic budgets of historical blue blood powers. At the same time, it pushed these historically bad programs, another several levels above all other non-P5 D1 football programs, creating a gap that G5 programs will never be able to close.

Mississippi State use these advantages of the new era to crawl out of the basement, and make a name for themselves in the college football landscape. They used the money and exposure of the new era of network deals to slowly, but steadily, become a top 25 program, something that 15 years ago would've seemed like nothing more than a dream.

Back to the idea, so what do the above numbers mean? They mean that in today's new era of College Football, Mississippi State's football program is much closer to Auburn than they are Ole Miss (in real results, like wins and draft picks). We have taken the next step, it was just so slow that we didn't realize it happening in real time. We have done it the right way and built something to last, and because of all this, we were able to hire one of the best football coaches in America, and are now starting to get the attention of P5 football prospects across the Southeast, and even country.

Mississippi State had 4 less draft picks and 3 less wins than Auburn in the last decade and new era of college football, that's 0.4 and 0.3 less draft picks and wins per season, respectively. This is with Auburn signing 139 4* and 5* players, and MSU only signing 46 4* and 5* players. That gap is so huge that it seems impossible that the results made from those players are essentially equal.

Mississippi State has had 11 more draft picks and 14 more wins (or 19 if looking back to 2010) than Ole Miss in the new era of CFB, that's 1.1 and 1.4(or 1.9 if looking back to 2010) more draft picks and wins per season, respectively.

The numbers don't lie folks. Right now, the present time, the time that matters, Mississippi State's Football program is head over heels better than Ole Miss's Football program, don't let them tell you otherwise. They had to cheat at a rate not seen since SMU's heyday, and that wasn't even enough to keep up with MSU's program.

But hey, Ole Miss had a higher average recruiting ranking over that period, and that's all that matters, right?? Who cares that Ole Miss actually finished with a losing record on the field in the last decade while MSU finished 28 games over .500?

MSU>>>Ole Miss

NUMBERS...DON'T...LIE...

Your PHD in Sports analysis will be mailed to you. Dam good presentation.

[Jack Lambert]

One word, *******. Had he stayed one more season and coached that 2018 team, what could have been...

He was the right coach at the right time.

I feel pretty good that if Newton had come to State we would have been in the running for the BCS.

[parabrave]

Great post again. One important thing that the rise of the P5 did for MSU is it separated us from USM. That was another team we used to compete with for players. That and playing them in 2014 and winning 49-0 (should have been 63-0 if our fullback didn't screw up on the goal line and Dak underthrew a ball that was picked in the end zone- and yes, that's nitpicky). Eliminating them as competition has really helped us. Think about Chris Jones- I believe USM had or was recruiting him and in the past they may have been a factor but they weren't in the end and it's because we're SEC.

I think that and to piggyback on one of your other posts- integration to me was really THE first start for us becoming what we are. When we got Frank Dowsing and I think his name was Robert Bell- we upset Ole Miss in 1970 and Dowsing had a big game that day. Ole Miss really has never been the same since Archie and Vaught left. Unless they cheated their ass off. I think Ole Miss made a major mistake not hiring Bob Tyler and MSU really capitalized on that. And while he may have been a bad AD- I won't argue with that since he got us on probation- he was a good football coach who own 9 games twice in his career on the field at MSU. That had not happened since the 1940's.

I think the difference in philosophy of program building between MSU and Ole Miss has been quite stark. We were willing to build knowing that hey, we may go 5-7 one year (2009) but in the long run consistently having a good culture has resulted in sustained success.

One thing that I think would surprise some fans is we do typically point to 1991 as a change in eras and rightfully so as the Egg Bowl moved back to campus from Jackson and Jackie became our coach but if you go back to 1987 we have a 17-16 lead in the Egg Bowl.

USM has had 2 major setbacks to their program. 1. Firing Bowers destroyed all of the contacts and relationships that Bower had built over the years. USM had always recruited the HS stars that everybody else had overlooked, especially in Alabama and Florida. 2. The emergence of other smaller directional schools in Ala and FL was their death knell that they will not be able to overcome. But they did have someone drafted this year.

[ShotgunDawg]

While working on another, far more extensive post, I ran across these stats when doing some research...

Since 2011-

Average recruiting ranking:

1. Auburn- #11
2. Ole Miss- #23
3. Miss State- #27

Total 5* signed:

1. Auburn- 11
2. Ole Miss- 9
3. Miss State- 3

Total 4* signed:

1. Auburn- 128
2. Ole Miss- 56
3. Miss State- 43

Total amount of NFL draft picks:

1. Auburn- 38
2. Miss State- 34
3. Ole Miss- 23

Overall win/loss record:

1. Auburn- (73-45) | 62% wins
2. Miss State- (70-47) | 60% wins
3. Ole Miss- (56-56) | 50% wins

If you add the 2010 Cam Newton national championship season to the win loss records (2010-2019), the numbers look like this.

Overall win/loss record(2010-2019):

1. Auburn- (87-45) | 66% wins
2. Miss State- (79-51) | 61% wins
3. Ole Miss- (60-64) | 48% wins

Bowl Game Appearances(since 2010):

1. MSU- 10
2. Auburn- 9
3. Ole Miss- 4

What do you take from this? Well you could interpret it a lot of ways, but personally this is what I see...

Around 2010 we entered a new era of college football. The Power 5 era. You could call it the CFP era but Power 5 fits better imo. This era was ushered in when the powers that be decided that the big 5 conferences would stand far above the rest of Division 1 football. Automatically, the teams in P5 conferences that were historically bad programs, got a shot in the arm because now they stand above all D1 programs that are not in the P5, which means better recruiting and more exposure. What really set it all in motion was the emergence of conference network channels, like the SEC Network, Big10 Network, PAC 12 Network and ACC Network. These ludicrous TV deals gave another, even stronger shot in the arm to P5 programs that were historically bad to mediocre. These deals are split evenly among conference members, which allowed the historically bad programs to get much closer and even compete with the athletic budgets of historical blue blood powers. At the same time, it pushed these historically bad programs, another several levels above all other non-P5 D1 football programs, creating a gap that G5 programs will never be able to close.

Mississippi State use these advantages of the new era to crawl out of the basement, and make a name for themselves in the college football landscape. They used the money and exposure of the new era of network deals to slowly, but steadily, become a top 25 program, something that 15 years ago would've seemed like nothing more than a dream.

Back to the idea, so what do the above numbers mean? They mean that in today's new era of College Football, Mississippi State's football program is much closer to Auburn than they are Ole Miss (in real results, like wins and draft picks). We have taken the next step, it was just so slow that we didn't realize it happening in real time. We have done it the right way and built something to last, and because of all this, we were able to hire one of the best football coaches in America, and are now starting to get the attention of P5 football prospects across the Southeast, and even country.

Mississippi State had 4 less draft picks and 3 less wins than Auburn in the last decade and new era of college football, that's 0.4 and 0.3 less draft picks and wins per season, respectively. This is with Auburn signing 139 4* and 5* players, and MSU only signing 46 4* and 5* players. That gap is so huge that it seems impossible that the results made from those players are essentially equal.

Mississippi State has had 11 more draft picks and 14 more wins (or 19 if looking back to 2010) than Ole Miss in the new era of CFB, that's 1.1 and 1.4(or 1.9 if looking back to 2010) more draft picks and wins per season, respectively.

The numbers don't lie folks. Right now, the present time, the time that matters, Mississippi State's Football program is head over heels better than Ole Miss's Football program, don't let them tell you otherwise. They had to cheat at a rate not seen since SMU's heyday, and that wasn't even enough to keep up with MSU's program.

But hey, Ole Miss had a higher average recruiting ranking over that period, and that's all that matters, right?? Who cares that Ole Miss actually finished with a losing record on the field in the last decade while MSU finished 28 games over .500?

MSU>>>Ole Miss

NUMBERS...DON'T...LIE...

Dead nuts on.

How do we take the next step?

How do we really start to compete for top recruits? Like the recruits that actually give you chance to win big?

[StateDawg44]

I feel pretty good that if Newton had come to State we would have been in the running for the BCS.

This applies to pretty much any school.

Just sucks we were in the running to get him and then got outbid.

[ShotgunDawg]

What sucks is that we MSU grads on the radio in Mississippi that would never dare to repeat these numbers as they have vested business interests I'm always portraying MSU and OM as equals.

They aren't. The last decade has shown that there is a clear difference between the programs

[DeviousDawg]

USM has had 2 major setbacks to their program. 1. Firing Bowers destroyed all of the contacts and relationships that Bower had built over the years. USM had always recruited the HS stars that everybody else had overlooked, especially in Alabama and Florida. 2. The emergence of other smaller directional schools in Ala and FL was their death knell that they will not be able to overcome. But they did have someone drafted this year.

Here is USM's main problem:

Athletic Budgets in 2005:
MSU- $25,000,000
USM- $18,000,000

Athletic Budgets in 2019:
MSU- $106,000,000
USM- $25,000,000

[1bigdawg]

I think that and to piggyback on one of your other posts- integration to me was really THE first start for us becoming what we are. When we got Frank Dowsing and I think his name was Robert Bell- we upset Ole Miss in 1970 and Dowsing had a big game that day. Ole Miss really has never been the same since Archie and Vaught left. Unless they cheated their ass off. I think Ole Miss made a major mistake not hiring Bob Tyler and MSU really capitalized on that. And while he may have been a bad AD- I won't argue with that since he got us on probation- he was a good football coach who own 9 games twice in his career on the field at MSU. That had not happened since the 1940's.

Tyler did a great job as coach and was a great recruiter. We had two advantages recruiting at the time: Ole Miss's racial history and Tyler's "creative" recruiting. One of our biggest mistakes in my lifetime was making Tyler AD.

[gtowndawg]

One word, *******. Had he stayed one more season and coached that 2018 team, what could have been...

He was the right coach at the right time.

Dude, I just said that yesterday to some friends (what could have been in 2018). Same exact thing.

[AmiteDog]

Dude, I just said that yesterday to some friends (what could have been in 2018). Same exact thing.

Hunch was looking to leave for FOUR+ years. Just think what could have been if he had done his JOB completely during the last half of his tenure. Not giving a crap and job hunting every November and December held us back from what we really could have been.

[BrunswickDawg]

Here is USM's main problem:

Athletic Budgets in 2005:
MSU- $25,000,000
USM- $18,000,000

Athletic Budgets in 2019:
MSU- $106,000,000
USM- $25,000,000

It almost makes you feel bad for USM.

How about this - Ole Miss is a lot closer to being USM than they are MSU.
Since 2011:
Bowls: USM 5 OM 4
W/L: USM: 53-61; OM 56-56

Yes, USM is in CUSA. But, considering their lack of resources and the way they cratered after Fedora left, they aren't doing so bad.

[ShotgunDawg]

Hunch was looking to leave for FOUR+ years. Just think what could have been if he had done his JOB completely during the last half of his tenure. Not giving a crap and job hunting every November and December held us back from what we really could have been.

I interested to see what Mullen does if he can’t beat Georgia over the next few years?

I think he’ll eventually ditch Florida for Norte Dame or some other non SEC blue blood.

[ShotgunDawg]

Here is USM's main problem:

Athletic Budgets in 2005:
MSU- $25,000,000
USM- $18,000,000

Athletic Budgets in 2019:
MSU- $106,000,000
USM- $25,000,000

How do we take the next step?

What’s your vision for that?

[TrapGame]

One word, *******. Had he stayed one more season and coached that 2018 team, what could have been...

He was the right coach at the right time.

One more year with most talented MSU football team in twenty years. That's why I don't fully buy Mullen's excuse for leaving as "I've done all I can do. It's time to move on." If we made the playoffs in 2018 Mullen could have named his next head coaching job. He was ready to bail to Tennessee's dumpster fire over a monster he had built.

[ShotgunDawg]

One more year with most talented MSU football team in twenty years. That's why I don't fully buy Mullen's excuse for leaving as "I've done all I can do. It's time to move on." If we made the playoffs in 2018 Mullen could have named his next head coaching job. He was ready to bail to Tennessee's dumpster fire over a monster he had built.

I personally think Mullen was scared.

Something about that 2018 roster worried him & made him nervous that it wouldn't live up to expectations & thus cause people to be disgruntled & his career to regress.

The only other reason I can figure is that maybe there was something in his personal life that made him want/need to get out of Starkville. We'll never know