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    Yes, the 1989 team was preseason #1 and was the best ever IMO. Take a look at the stats from that team:

    54-14, 32-5 at home, SEC: 20-5

    778 Hits, 157 2bs, 96 HRs, 549 RBIs - a lot of those are school records.

    1B. Tommy Raffo .383, 22, 80 (15 doubles)
    2B-SS Jon Shave .357, 1, 26 (143 AB, 9 doubles)
    SS Brad Hildreth .340, 6, 55 (19 doubles)
    C Barry Winford .337, 4, 50 (18 doubles)
    2B-SS Burke Masters .333, 4, 38 (13 doubles)
    3B-P Pete Young .319, 11, 65 (27 doubles)
    CF Jody Hurst .313, 13, 56 (14 doubles)
    RF Tracy Echols .296, 9, 35 (8 doubles)
    LF John Cohen .279, 8, 45 (15 doubles)
    LF/DH Richie Grayum .276, 12, 58 (9 doubles)
    C Jim Robinson .234, 1, 20 (5 doubles)

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    Pete Young 5-1, 1.22 (8 Saves, 47 K, 13 BB, 44 IP) - Closer with gas
    Chuck Holly 9-2, 1.76 (2 Saves, 48 K, 19 BB, 66 IP)
    Chris George 7-1, 2.51 - (68 K, 38 BB, 82 IP) Sunday starter
    Tracy Jobes 9-3, 3.43 (76 K, 50 BB, 110 IP) Saturday starter
    Bobby Reed 12-3, 3.72 (54 K, 32 BB, 104 IP) Friday starter
    Jon Harden 0-0, 1.23 (14 IP)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Good chance the 2016 team ends up having 4 Major Leaguers in the every day lineup.

    Did the 89 team have that many?

    Not disagreeing with you, but I think what many of us run into in these debates is that some of these teams we were around during our growth years & thus their players were are heros, while other teams may technically be better but you didn't emotionally connect with at the same level
    No, only one guy made it to the bigs from that lineup, Jon Shave(pete young doesn't count he made it as a pitcher). However, 1-9 it was the best offense we ever had. There were no holes and had depth on the bench that allowed moves during the course of the game. 85 had Clark and Palmeiro, but 6-9 were a green john Mitchell, (who was a tr fr who ended up being a good player) and 3 damn near auto outs. No depth. I agree 16 was a good one and i would put it up their close but not equal to 89, but ahead of 85 for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    No, only one guy made it to the bigs from that lineup, Jon Shave(pete young doesn't count he made it as a pitcher). However, 1-9 it was the best offense we ever had. There were no holes and had depth on the bench that allowed moves during the course of the game. 85 had Clark and Palmeiro, but 6-9 were a green john Mitchell, (who was a tr fr who ended up being a good player) and 3 damn near auto outs. No depth. I agree 16 was a good one and i would put it up their close but not equal to 89, but ahead of 85 for sure.
    This. I went to a lot of games that year and that team could absolutely rake and the pitching was deep and good. Pretty good defensively too. There was almost no where a pitcher could go to get an out against that team, you just couldn't pitch around anyone.

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    Remember that lineup like it was yesterday

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    1b - Raffo (another great year in 90, minors)
    2b - Masters (grandslam in 90, might become Pope)
    SS - Hildreth (minors)
    3b - Young (MLB as pitcher)
    OF - Grayum (AAA/AA minors)
    OF - Hurst (high level minors with Tigers)
    OF - Cohen (better season in 90, minors)
    OF - Echols (minors)
    C - Winford (minors)

    These guys had great backups that got us to Omaha in 90 like Scott Mitchell, David Mitchell, Jim Robinson, and Jon Shave.

    We just needed somebody to get super hot down the stretch and it did not happen, at least that's what I remember. I was just one of the 8 year-olds that chased foul balls like they were worth $1M dollars. My primary hunting ground was the right-field line metal bleachers.
    Losing to UNC crushed twelve-year old me. If memory serves, we had the bases loaded in that last game with Pete at the plate. I just knew he was going to hit one to West Point. Took a 3-2 curve for strike three.

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    2013, 1985, and 2019 are all in class of their own. You could rank the others however you wanted and not get much resistance. I think the greatest what if teams are 84, 89, and 16. I think all 3 could've won it had they got to Omaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    2013, 1985, and 2019 are all in class of their own. You could rank the others however you wanted and not get much resistance. I think the greatest what if teams are 84, 89, and 16. I think all 3 could've won it had they got to Omaha.
    Yep.

    I think 2019 is going to go down as the 2nd best team once you evaluate everything. That team had future pros and the team didn't have a glaring weakness. We had a rare combo of high level talent and senior leadership.

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    Ginn
    Plumlee (he had a GREAT sr year)
    Cole

    Liebelt Barlow and White

    -all time sec hitter
    -clutch factor / sr leadership
    -soph class
    -gap power
    -left/right balance
    -a catcher that hit like Skelton
    -Gilbert at 9 hitting 300 with pop

    The 2013 team had some serious talent. But they also had some noticeable weaknesses. I think 2016 was better than 2013.
    Last edited by hp22; 03-26-2020 at 02:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hp22 View Post
    Yep.

    I think 2019 is going to go down as the 2nd best team once you evaluate everything. That team had future pros and the team didn't have a glaring weakness. We had a rare combo of high level talent and senior leadership.

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    Ginn
    Plumlee (he had a GREAT sr year)
    Cole

    Liebelt Barlow and White

    -all time sec hitter
    -clutch factor / sr leadership
    -soph class
    -gap power
    -left/right balance
    -a catcher that hit like Skelton
    -Gilbert at 9 hitting 300 with pop

    The 2013 team had some serious talent. But they also had some noticeable weaknesses. I think 2016 was better than 2013.
    I don't disagree, but Ginn wasn't close to 100%. Hard to consider him on talent alone
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    The 1989 team was the biggest choke/shock. That’s the best team we’ve ever put on the field. I played against some of those guys. Crazy talented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    The 1989 team was the biggest choke/shock. That’s the best team we’ve ever put on the field. I played against some of those guys. Crazy talented.
    In the current regional format, we would not have lost to UNC.

    I can't recall the pitching in the Regional exactly.

    Game-1 vs Western Carolina (Reed)
    Game-2 vs Nicholls State (Jobes)
    Game-3 vs UNC (George) Lost 1-2
    Game-4 vs Indiana State (?)
    Game-5 vs UNC (Reed) Won 6-0
    Game-6 vs UNC (?) Lost 1-7

    How many times did UNC throw the junk baller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    The 1989 team was the biggest choke/shock. That’s the best team we’ve ever put on the field. I played against some of those guys. Crazy talented.
    When you have the option or have to sit either Jon shave, Burke masters, Ritchie grayum or Tracy Echols you have some serious depth. All those guys were really good players. One had to sit every day. And Jim rob was playing once every 3 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    When you have the option or have to sit either Jon shave, Burke masters, Ritchie grayum or Tracy Echols you have some serious depth. All those guys were really good players. One had to sit every day. And Jim rob was playing once every 3 games.
    Yeah it was loaded! To this day I still can't believe that team didn't make it to Omaha. Losing that regional is one of those State losses I'll never get over. Nightmarish

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    Based on this pattern, does this mean we will go to the CWS 5 times in the next 20 years? Doesn't seem enough. Double it. Pick up a couple of nattys and we will truly be a baseball elite. Can we do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleofTwoDogs View Post
    Based on this pattern, does this mean we will go to the CWS 5 times in the next 20 years? Doesn't seem enough. Double it. Pick up a couple of nattys and we will truly be a baseball elite. Can we do it?
    We can absolutely go 10 times over the next 20 years & you'd think that would lead to at least 1 natty
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleofTwoDogs View Post
    Based on this pattern, does this mean we will go to the CWS 5 times in the next 20 years? Doesn't seem enough. Double it. Pick up a couple of nattys and we will truly be a baseball elite. Can we do it?
    Getting to Omaha is tough. Things happen. Look at 84,89 that didn't make it. Yet 90 and 07 did with weaker teams. I do think we have gotten our recruiting to the standard of at least a reasonable shot every year. Sometimes the stars will align better than others. Our staff, starting with John as head coach has done a great job of maximizing our scholarship deficit problem and making the absolute most of it!!!

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    A team that didn't make the CWS but was great was the '83 team. They lost out to UTA that featured Calvin Schiraldi (ace) and a guy that we beat Roger Clemons. we only lost one game in the regional but somehow lost the regional?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redstickdawg View Post
    A team that didn't make the CWS but was great was the '83 team. They lost out to UTA that featured Calvin Schiraldi (ace) and a guy that we beat Roger Clemons. we only lost one game in the regional but somehow lost the regional?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983...all_Tournament

    Looks like MSU lost two games to Texas- the eventual Champs that year

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983...all_Tournament

    Looks like MSU lost two games to Texas- the eventual Champs that year
    That '83 CWS probably the first I remember paying attention to - Schiraldi, Clemens, Bonds, Sabo, Dave Magadan, and Pete Incaviglia
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    Quote Originally Posted by BHildreth3 View Post
    Yes, the 1989 team was preseason #1 and was the best ever IMO. Take a look at the stats from that team:

    54-14, 32-5 at home, SEC: 20-5

    778 Hits, 157 2bs, 96 HRs, 549 RBIs - a lot of those are school records.

    1B. Tommy Raffo .383, 22, 80 (15 doubles)
    2B-SS Jon Shave .357, 1, 26 (143 AB, 9 doubles)
    SS Brad Hildreth .340, 6, 55 (19 doubles)
    C Barry Winford .337, 4, 50 (18 doubles)
    2B-SS Burke Masters .333, 4, 38 (13 doubles)
    3B-P Pete Young .319, 11, 65 (27 doubles)
    CF Jody Hurst .313, 13, 56 (14 doubles)
    RF Tracy Echols .296, 9, 35 (8 doubles)
    LF John Cohen .279, 8, 45 (15 doubles)
    LF/DH Richie Grayum .276, 12, 58 (9 doubles)
    C Jim Robinson .234, 1, 20 (5 doubles)

    Pitching

    Pete Young 5-1, 1.22 (8 Saves, 47 K, 13 BB, 44 IP) - Closer with gas
    Chuck Holly 9-2, 1.76 (2 Saves, 48 K, 19 BB, 66 IP)
    Chris George 7-1, 2.51 - (68 K, 38 BB, 82 IP) Sunday starter
    Tracy Jobes 9-3, 3.43 (76 K, 50 BB, 110 IP) Saturday starter
    Bobby Reed 12-3, 3.72 (54 K, 32 BB, 104 IP) Friday starter
    Jon Harden 0-0, 1.23 (14 IP)
    Just curious, where do you find stats like that? I've had a hard time finding stats for college baseball past the year 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleofTwoDogs View Post
    Based on this pattern, does this mean we will go to the CWS 5 times in the next 20 years? Doesn't seem enough. Double it. Pick up a couple of nattys and we will truly be a baseball elite. Can we do it?
    I have a hard time viewing the last 20 years as a collective. You kinda have to split it in half. The 2000s were generally not good for us. The 2010s had some train wrecks (2010 and 2015) but a lot more sustained success. With the exception of 2015, we?ve been a really good program for the last 7 years after being mediocre to bad for a decade before that.

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