The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[Cooterpoot]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

[dantheman4248]

When you make a whataboutism point about 25 million to counter 2 trillion being corruptly distributed.... you're a lost cause. It's already been discussed and agreed by all sides (IN THIS VERY THREAD) that politicians across the board have this stupid tendency to add unnecessary shit to bills. Kennedy Center is one of many.

It's just plain sad to see people think this has to be blindly tribal and expect everyone to be that way. I didn't like it's addition to the bill. But it's 80,000 times smaller than the issue at hand. There are bigger fish to fry right now. It's a joke to even try to compare the two and whataboutism is up there with ad hominem for the worst debate tactics. It shows a weak argument because you've conceded arguing the point.

Brunswick put eloquently what will happen even with oversight because that's the shitty reality of our politics from both sides. Special interests will be taken care of over the common man in the name of trickle down economics. We get mad in crisis at those who hoard toilet paper; however, we don't bat an eye at the consolidation and hoarding of money / wealth.

The difference with what Trump did is he positioned himself to be in control of 20 times as much money as Putin is in control of. Putin became de facto dictator of Russia not by force or by preaching a cause to rally the people behind, but by sole control of the money. The rich bend to his will to keep that flow going. Donald is setting himself to have no opposition to his control of this money and have 20X as much as Putin.

Regardless of policies the person has, that should enrage you at your core as an American and a person who stands for freedom. If you need help getting mad, imagine the sick things Hillary could do with that power and money. She could have Epstein shot on live TV and laugh about. She could nuke Benghazi off the map and strike it from the history books. Biden is no different. How many women he'd forget to silence or how many phone scams he'd give away his social security too. Bernie would do awful things like universal healthcare or rectify the fact that CEO's have had a 900%+ average pay increase since 1978 while the average american has had only about a 15ish% pay increase. Or perhaps he would even eradicate all student loan debt the monster. Then our average McD's manager might not be miserable with their mountains of debt for their masters degree in 16th century french lit and may actually be happy to do their job and thus not **** up my order. What a horrible society!

Regardless the scary thought here is watching the US become like Russia. If that's what you want then say it comrade.

[Commercecomet24]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

Yep 100% right.

[Todd4State]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

And will still probably win a Nobel Peace Prize for it.

[Todd4State]

Everything thing in those bills are special interest driven. Every one. You screaming about pennies for one and ignore billions in largess spent on the airlines, the oil companies, etc. Those special interests will once again figure out how to give it to stockholders, cut jobs, screw people out of earned pensions by "going bankrupt", and come out ahead. That is the real treason.

Thing about it is no matter who does what in this country...ahem world.... SOMEONE is going to get paid for it. That's just the way it is.

[dawgday166]

When you make a whataboutism point about 25 million to counter 2 trillion being corruptly distributed.... you're a lost cause. It's already been discussed and agreed by all sides (IN THIS VERY THREAD) that politicians across the board have this stupid tendency to add unnecessary shit to bills. Kennedy Center is one of many.

It's just plain sad to see people think this has to be blindly tribal and expect everyone to be that way. I didn't like it's addition to the bill. But it's 80,000 times smaller than the issue at hand. There are bigger fish to fry right now. It's a joke to even try to compare the two and whataboutism is up there with ad hominem for the worst debate tactics. It shows a weak argument because you've conceded arguing the point.

Brunswick put eloquently what will happen even with oversight because that's the shitty reality of our politics from both sides. Special interests will be taken care of over the common man in the name of trickle down economics. We get mad in crisis at those who hoard toilet paper; however, we don't bat an eye at the consolidation and hoarding of money / wealth.

The difference with what Trump did is he positioned himself to be in control of 20 times as much money as Putin is in control of. Putin became de facto dictator of Russia not by force or by preaching a cause to rally the people behind, but by sole control of the money. The rich bend to his will to keep that flow going. Donald is setting himself to have no opposition to his control of this money and have 20X as much as Putin.

Regardless of policies the person has, that should enrage you at your core as an American and a person who stands for freedom. If you need help getting mad, imagine the sick things Hillary could do with that power and money. She could have Epstein shot on live TV and laugh about. She could nuke Benghazi off the map and strike it from the history books. Biden is no different. How many women he'd forget to silence or how many phone scams he'd give away his social security too. Bernie would do awful things like universal healthcare or rectify the fact that CEO's have had a 900%+ average pay increase since 1978 while the average american has had only about a 15ish% pay increase. Or perhaps he would even eradicate all student loan debt the monster. Then our average McD's manager might not be miserable with their mountains of debt for their masters degree in 16th century french lit and may actually be happy to do their job and thus not **** up my order. What a horrible society!

Regardless the scary thought here is watching the US become like Russia. If that's what you want then say it comrade.

Republicans tend toward fascism. Democrats tend toward communism ... comrade. Free market capitalism is different than both.

[Jack Lambert]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

I give Kudos to the 8 states that did not shut down. Yes some areas needed to shut down. MIssissippi was not one of them. 90% who contract the virus have either no symptoms or mild symptoms. 98% will recover. Just isolate the 10%. Let everyone else go to work. Keep your hands washed and don't touch your face. IF you feel sick or have fever stay home. 100% of Americans are going to suffer because of the 10% when all we had to do is isolate them. Hell they are isolated now anyways. Time to go back to work.

[hacker]

The experts told us social distancing would work. It's working. WHY DID WE LISTEN TO THEM? THEY'RE ALL FRAUDS

Y'all are dense

[hacker]

Pretty sure Fauci said 100,000-200,000 and I'm also pretty sure by this time next year we'll get to 100,000 if not sooner. The absolute best case model says 60k by August. This isn't just going to go away.

[hacker]

"My doctor said I'd die if I didn't get my cancer treatment, so I got it and it's working. WHY DID I LISTEN TO HIM? 100% FRAUD"

[turkish]

1-200k across 2 season of the virus, with NO vaccine — sounds fluish.

[dantheman4248]

1-200k across 2 season of the virus, with NO vaccine — sounds fluish.

I wonder what the different between the one with a vaccine and the one without a vaccine is? I can't figure it out, I'm too liberal to deal with binary differences like this.

[dantheman4248]

Yep 100% right.

It appears cooter misquoted Fauci. This was indeed not 100% right. 100K-200K yearly total and the best case model right now shows 60k by aug 4th.

I don't understand this complex with trying to boogeyman anyone out of this (let alone Fauci). Blame China and their lies, but don't fall for this schtick of making Fauci the fall guy. Our inaction was spearheaded from the top and his public comments are etched forever on the record. If you still watch TV the "it will go away like a miracle" "no one is doing better than us" will be overlayed with the death statistics we have from this ad nauseam during the election cycle.

Also on an overall note for those celebrating before the finish line:

“Nothing would be worse than declaring victory before the victory is won,” Trump said at a press conference. “That would be the greatest loss of all.” <-- Spicing it up with a good quote from the pres.

[hacker]

1-200k across 2 season of the virus, with NO vaccine — sounds fluish.

Now imagine what would happen if we were just going about our business

[chef dixon]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

Just curious, what are your expectations of him? This is a completely new scenario for everyone and its obviously a fluid situation. I'm not sure how you can call him a fraud based on some projections. I mean Trump said in February that we had a couple cases and it was under control, and this would ultimately be nothing. No one is going to get this perfectly correct. Also, what makes you think this is over? We are having about 2k die per day right now and will have to see how this trends. I know you've posted here before you've had some pretty serious health issues that put you at risk, so one way one could see it is Fauci has you and many others best interest in mind.

[Johnson85]

Republicans tend toward fascism. Democrats tend toward communism ... comrade. Free market capitalism is different than both.

Not by any normal definition of fascism. Fascism and communism are competing ideologies, but they are both on the left by any reasonable definition. If you are using fascism as a synonym for corporatism, which can sort of look similar if you squint in the sense that national and corporate interests are basically merged, then that would be fair'ish, although I think that's still inaccurate, as it's more about crony capitalism and rewarding particular politically connected people than thinking of the interests as the same. .

[turkish]

Now imagine what would happen if we were just going about our business

Like half is social media is complaining about folks not doing? Seems Fauci irresponsibly left out a hefty caveat, if what you say was his intent. Is he assuming we continue the distancing until this time next year?

[Gutter Cobreh]

The experts told us social distancing would work. It's working. WHY DID WE LISTEN TO THEM? THEY'RE ALL FRAUDS

Y'all are dense

Truer words have never been posted.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Now imagine what would happen if we were just going about our business

And the national stockpile has been depleted, simply covering these lower case numbers. Imagine how that would look if we were going about our business and the tools needed to care for more patients across the country were truly obsolete. You'd be looking at martial law very quickly.

[hacker]

Like half is social media is complaining about folks not doing? Seems Fauci irresponsibly left out a hefty caveat, if what you say was his intent.

Let's do some quick math

If the virus spreads from each person to 2.5 other people, after 10 generations, that is 9536 people infected
If the virus spreads from each person to 1.5 other people, after 10 generations, that is 58 people infected

2.5 ^ 10 = 9536
1.5 ^ 10 = 58

If each person spreads it to one less person, that makes a huge difference, doesn't it? It's not that difficult to see why this is working.