The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[dantheman4248]

I'll wait until the end of May. Sorry you're not getting your handout.

Its a tax advance, not a handout. It will be paid back by the same americans who get it. And I don't need it, but there are so many americans that do. But we would rather bail out the banks who refuse to give out small business loans than bail out the people. Because trickle down economics magic.

[dantheman4248]

Yea, yea ... whatever.

Follow the money.

[dawgday166]

Its a tax advance, not a handout. It will be paid back by the same americans who get it. And I don't need it, but there are so many americans that do. But we would rather bail out the banks who refuse to give out small business loans than bail out the people. Because trickle down economics magic.

You don't need it? Are you working full-time?

[dantheman4248]

You don't need it? Are you working full-time?

Yes. Circling back to the fact that I work in healthcare.

[dawgday166]

Yes. Circling back to the fact that I work in healthcare.

So you'll take it then?

[dantheman4248]

So you'll take it then?

Take my money and have to give it back in a timely manner? If i receive it, Yes because I'll be looking to inject it back to local businesses and help the rebuild communities are going to go through.

If you're trying to pull some gotcha moment, I'm for UBI so why would I not support this and participate?

Just because Trump has signed off on an idea does not mean I fully hate the idea. Politics shouldn't be black and white. I think Trump's newest move today of defunding the WHO is a good one. Not for the reasons he said. He's extremely hypocritical and disingenuous by saying they downplayed it when they were almost two full months ahead of him. He should however be pressuring them into not bending to China's will. China is blatantly lying and causing massive worldwide death with their actions. The WHO bending to them makes it worse. I do wonder if that is Trump's true motive for defunding the WHO and he can't come out and say it so he's made up this other bs. That makes the most sense to me considering how blatantly dumb he sounds with his critique. But it is a move I support.

[shoeless joe]

Take my money and have to give it back in a timely manner? If i receive it, Yes because I'll be looking to inject it back to local businesses and help the rebuild communities are going to go through.

If you're trying to pull some gotcha moment, I'm for UBI so why would I not support this and participate?

Just because Trump has signed off on an idea does not mean I fully hate the idea. Politics shouldn't be black and white. I think Trump's newest move today of defunding the WHO is a good one. Not for the reasons he said. He's extremely hypocritical and disingenuous by saying they downplayed it when they were almost two full months ahead of him. He should however be pressuring them into not bending to China's will. China is blatantly lying and causing massive worldwide death with their actions. The WHO bending to them makes it worse. I do wonder if that is Trump's true motive for defunding the WHO and he can't come out and say it so he's made up this other bs. That makes the most sense to me considering how blatantly dumb he sounds with his critique. But it is a move I support.

Didn?t the WHO tweet mid January That there was no evidence of human to human transmission? Didn?t trump close off China end of January??? In other words they weren?t even 2 weeks ahead...much less months.

And before your retort I?ll remind you I?m not a big trump fan...but I?m also not a think I?m smarter than everyone liberal.

[dantheman4248]

Didn?t the WHO tweet mid January That there was no evidence of human to human transmission? Didn?t trump close off China end of January??? In other words they weren?t even 2 weeks ahead...much less months.

And before your retort I?ll remind you I?m not a big trump fan...but I?m also not a think I?m smarter than everyone liberal.

By January 23rd the WHO said the global risk to this was high. By January 30th they considered this a global health emergency.

Donald Trump did not publicly take this seriously until March 13th when he finally called this a national emergency.

They were almost two full months ahead of him. And that's operating with the bad data from China that they had gotten. (Which is why I'm for defunding them.)

These are all easily verifiable dates. That's almost 2 full months.

Trump did not suspend all travel from China. That is a bold faced lie. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/tr...-restrictions/ There is an article outlining the facts of the matter. To note, Biden lied with his comments this weekend as well. But that's not the point to discuss. The point is that the president is bold face lying. He was not ahead of the curve nor was he going against almost everyone's suggestions.

"As we have written, Trump was wrong to call the policy a “travel ban” or to claim that he “closed up” all travel between the countries. There were exceptions, including for Americans and their family members and for trade. Trump also has repeatedly and misleadingly cast his decision to impose the travel restrictions as a “bold” move made “against the advice of almost everybody.” Azar said the decision stemmed from “the uniform recommendations of the career public health officials here at HHS.”"

This isn't me saying "i'm smarter than everyone", this is... "how can you be this willfully ignorant"?

Here is an article of strictly his quotes. No bias. No analysis. Simply Donald J. Trump. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/timelin...n-coronavirus/

Highlights included for those who won't click the link:

February 10th: "I had a long talk with President Xi — for the people in this room — two nights ago, and he feels very confident. He feels very confident. And he feels that, again, as I mentioned, by April or during the month of April, the heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus,"

February 26th: "when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done,"

March 4th: "Yeah, I think where these people are flying, it's safe to fly. And large portions of the world are very safe to fly."

March 6th: "Anybody that wants a test can get a test. ... The tests are all perfect,"

March 12th: "I mean, think of it: The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point. Other countries that are smaller countries have many, many deaths. Thirty-two is a lot. Thirty-two is too many. But when you look at the kind of numbers that you're seeing coming out of other countries, it's pretty amazing when you think of it. So, that's it."

March 13th: Declared national emergency.

March 24th: 65k cases in US, "There is tremendous hope as we look forward and we begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel."

April 3rd: "I said it was going away - and it is going away."

[Commercecomet24]

Mods Y'all need to move this thread to the political board or just kill it altogether.

[Pinto]

Mods Y'all need to move this thread to the political board or just kill it altogether.

Yes, this please.

[StateDawg44]

John Prine died today from COVID. My musical hero. As good as a songwriter as there every was IMHO

Damn I didn't know this.

That's terrible news and maybe one of the first things we've agreed on in this thread.

[Tough Dawg]

Agreed on shutting this thread down or moving. It served it's purpose, but is now useless and annoying.

[Extendedcab]

You're looking at Putin, not Hitler. This is the most clear step he has followed Putin under and dare I say he is now more powerful than Putin. Russia's budget revenue is equivalent to 200 billion dollars. Control over that is how Putin controls big business in Russia and thusly everything else. Giving Trump free reign over TEN TIMES that amount is scary. That amount is equal to over half the yearly US budget.

And yes, the IGs get to appoint the next one, but Trump will simply remove whoever doesn't toe the line.

We're in a dictatorship and Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the history of the world. That's not an overreaction, that's a fact.

Says the man that is pro communism! Yep you are once again pulling politics in to this thread! Do you ever learn?

[yjnkdawg]

Mods Y'all need to move this thread to the political board or just kill it altogether.

I agree 100% , CC. It's no longer useful and hasn't been for a while.

[msstate7]

IHME down to ~ 60k deaths now

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

[dantheman4248]

Lack of available testing could still be the cause of the drop in "overall deaths."

New York has stopped testing non-confirmed dead at this point. Yet people are dying at home tenfold. https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkLevin...55576221716480

UT Austin put out a study saying that if there's just 1 case confirmed in the county then there is a 51% chance of an outbreak. They also seem to think that 1 in 10 cases are reported. (Which does help the death rate lower significantly. But how many of those other 9 end up like those in NY where they die untested?)

https://cid.utexas.edu/sites/default...f?m=1585958755

[hacker]

Some new data from MS:

[Johnson85]

Take my money and have to give it back in a timely manner? If i receive it, Yes because I'll be looking to inject it back to local businesses and help the rebuild communities are going to go through.

If you're trying to pull some gotcha moment, I'm for UBI so why would I not support this and participate?

Just because Trump has signed off on an idea does not mean I fully hate the idea. Politics shouldn't be black and white. I think Trump's newest move today of defunding the WHO is a good one. Not for the reasons he said. He's extremely hypocritical and disingenuous by saying they downplayed it when they were almost two full months ahead of him. He should however be pressuring them into not bending to China's will. China is blatantly lying and causing massive worldwide death with their actions. The WHO bending to them makes it worse. I do wonder if that is Trump's true motive for defunding the WHO and he can't come out and say it so he's made up this other bs. That makes the most sense to me considering how blatantly dumb he sounds with his critique. But it is a move I support.

It is not a loan. It is an actual credit. It is called an advance because it is a credit for your 2020 taxes, but you get it right now. The only way it will be an "loan", maybe, is if you qualify for the credit based on your 2018 tax return (or 2019 tax return if it's already filed) but then you don't qualify based on your 2020 taxes. I assume if you end up not qualifying on your 2020 tax return it will make your 2020 taxes higher but I haven't been able to verify yet. I'm interested b/c had some one time issues make us eligible based on our 2018 tax return but won't be eligible based on 2020 unless we have some unfortunate surprises between now and the end of the year.

[hacker]

IHME down to ~ 60k deaths now

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

I think we'll be at 50k in a couple weeks. Would have to fall off quick to stop at 60k.

[msstate7]

IHME says ~ 300 deaths in miss by August 4th

https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...ca/mississippi