The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[BrunswickDawg]

Give it UP dude!! " He served as acting inspector general at the Pentagon since 2016, and will return to his previous position as principal deputy inspector general for the Pentagon. He is still involved!!! Get a grip!

Bitch about Shiff, Pelosi and the rest of the democrats who insisted on $25 million for the Kennedy Center in the relief bill. The Kennedy Center has not been converted to a hospital to treat coronavirus patients, but it's widely reported they are laying off most of their staff. So why exactly did they get any funding at all in this bill? When the virus crisis is over, do you support Congress to rescind the $25 million grant? Do you think there is corruption there?

TDS at its worst!

Get LOST!

Not defending Dan - but the Kennedy Center is owned and operated by the US Government. The $25 million replaces their lost revenue for having to cancel all their performances that are revenue generating. In the next round of appropriations, you will probably see similar outlays for the different Smithsonian museums, and possibly funds to replace lost revenues from user fees in National Parks. This is being done for the same reasons we are bailing out all sorts of things right now. It's also why you have seen non-profits be made eligible for all the PPP funding available. Those institutions are all important to this country and provide jobs and positive economic impacts.

[Liverpooldawg]

Not defending Dan - but the Kennedy Center is owned and operated by the US Government. The $25 million replaces their lost revenue for having to cancel all their performances that are revenue generating. In the next round of appropriations, you will probably see similar outlays for the different Smithsonian museums, and possibly funds to replace lost revenues from user fees in National Parks. This is being done for the same reasons we are bailing out all sorts of things right now. It's also why you have seen non-profits be made eligible for all the PPP funding available. Those institutions are all important to this country and provide jobs and positive economic impacts.

The Kennedy Center in NO shape form or fashion is essential. Nobody will die if the Kennedy Center closes forever. Nobody but the elites with plenty of money will even miss it. Whoever inserted that or agreed to it should be charged and convicted of treason. For the record I'm a great fan of what it does. The key word is FAN.

[SheltonChoked]

The Kennedy Center in NO shape form or fashion is essential. Nobody will die if the Kennedy Center closes forever. Nobody but the elites with plenty of money will even miss it. Whoever inserted that or agreed to it should be charged and convicted of treason. For the record I'm a great fan of what it does. The key word is FAN.

By that logic, no one associated with any recreational activity should be paid during this? No sports, no stadium workers, no Front office, no support staff, no athletic departments, etc.

[hacker]

Well, all except for one.

Not picking up what you're putting down

[BrunswickDawg]

The Kennedy Center in NO shape form or fashion is essential. Nobody will die if the Kennedy Center closes forever. Nobody but the elites with plenty of money will even miss it. Whoever inserted that or agreed to it should be charged and convicted of treason. For the record I'm a great fan of what it does. The key word is FAN.

There are going to be trillions spent bailing out non-essentials in this mess. And, some will get priorities because of politics. Like or not, it's how politics is done.

[Liverpooldawg]

There are going to be trillions spent bailing out non-essentials in this mess. And, some will get priorities because of politics. Like or not, it's how politics is done.

So you are fine with people dying or ordinary people going bankrupt so the Elitist Kennedy Center can get unessential money. There is NO other way to read your post, sorry. Is that REALLY what you wanted to say. Anything else unessential should be treated as I said. The people that put that in and allowed it to pass are pure scum. I am perfectly aware that implicates every single Member of Congress that voted for it and the man that signed it.

[Turfdawg67]

So you are fine with people dying or ordinary people going bankrupt so the Elitist Kennedy Center can get unessential money. There is NO other way to read your post, sorry. Is that REALLY what you wanted to say. Anything else unessential should be treated as I said. The people that put that in and allowed it to pass are pure scum. I am perfectly aware that implicates every single Member of Congress that voted for it and the man that signed it.

You've called an end to this thread multiple times... yet here you are again.

[BrunswickDawg]

So you are fine with people dying or ordinary people going bankrupt so the Elitist Kennedy Center can get unessential money. There is NO other way to read your post, sorry. Is that REALLY what you wanted to say. Anything else unessential should be treated as I said. The people that put that in and allowed it to pass are pure scum. I am perfectly aware that implicates every single Member of Congress that voted for it and the man that signed it.

Everything thing in those bills are special interest driven. Every one. You screaming about pennies for one and ignore billions in largess spent on the airlines, the oil companies, etc. Those special interests will once again figure out how to give it to stockholders, cut jobs, screw people out of earned pensions by "going bankrupt", and come out ahead. That is the real treason.

[Todd4State]

Everything thing in those bills are special interest driven. Every one. You screaming about pennies for one and ignore billions in largess spent on the airlines, the oil companies, etc. Those special interests will once again figure out how to give it to stockholders, cut jobs, screw people out of earned pensions by "going bankrupt", and come out ahead. That is the real treason.

Thing about it is no matter who does what in this country...ahem world.... SOMEONE is going to get paid for it. That's just the way it is.

[Cooterpoot]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

[Todd4State]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

And will still probably win a Nobel Peace Prize for it.

[Jack Lambert]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

I give Kudos to the 8 states that did not shut down. Yes some areas needed to shut down. MIssissippi was not one of them. 90% who contract the virus have either no symptoms or mild symptoms. 98% will recover. Just isolate the 10%. Let everyone else go to work. Keep your hands washed and don't touch your face. IF you feel sick or have fever stay home. 100% of Americans are going to suffer because of the 10% when all we had to do is isolate them. Hell they are isolated now anyways. Time to go back to work.

[chef dixon]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

Just curious, what are your expectations of him? This is a completely new scenario for everyone and its obviously a fluid situation. I'm not sure how you can call him a fraud based on some projections. I mean Trump said in February that we had a couple cases and it was under control, and this would ultimately be nothing. No one is going to get this perfectly correct. Also, what makes you think this is over? We are having about 2k die per day right now and will have to see how this trends. I know you've posted here before you've had some pretty serious health issues that put you at risk, so one way one could see it is Fauci has you and many others best interest in mind.

[dantheman4248]

When you make a whataboutism point about 25 million to counter 2 trillion being corruptly distributed.... you're a lost cause. It's already been discussed and agreed by all sides (IN THIS VERY THREAD) that politicians across the board have this stupid tendency to add unnecessary shit to bills. Kennedy Center is one of many.

It's just plain sad to see people think this has to be blindly tribal and expect everyone to be that way. I didn't like it's addition to the bill. But it's 80,000 times smaller than the issue at hand. There are bigger fish to fry right now. It's a joke to even try to compare the two and whataboutism is up there with ad hominem for the worst debate tactics. It shows a weak argument because you've conceded arguing the point.

Brunswick put eloquently what will happen even with oversight because that's the shitty reality of our politics from both sides. Special interests will be taken care of over the common man in the name of trickle down economics. We get mad in crisis at those who hoard toilet paper; however, we don't bat an eye at the consolidation and hoarding of money / wealth.

The difference with what Trump did is he positioned himself to be in control of 20 times as much money as Putin is in control of. Putin became de facto dictator of Russia not by force or by preaching a cause to rally the people behind, but by sole control of the money. The rich bend to his will to keep that flow going. Donald is setting himself to have no opposition to his control of this money and have 20X as much as Putin.

Regardless of policies the person has, that should enrage you at your core as an American and a person who stands for freedom. If you need help getting mad, imagine the sick things Hillary could do with that power and money. She could have Epstein shot on live TV and laugh about. She could nuke Benghazi off the map and strike it from the history books. Biden is no different. How many women he'd forget to silence or how many phone scams he'd give away his social security too. Bernie would do awful things like universal healthcare or rectify the fact that CEO's have had a 900%+ average pay increase since 1978 while the average american has had only about a 15ish% pay increase. Or perhaps he would even eradicate all student loan debt the monster. Then our average McD's manager might not be miserable with their mountains of debt for their masters degree in 16th century french lit and may actually be happy to do their job and thus not **** up my order. What a horrible society!

Regardless the scary thought here is watching the US become like Russia. If that's what you want then say it comrade.

[dawgday166]

When you make a whataboutism point about 25 million to counter 2 trillion being corruptly distributed.... you're a lost cause. It's already been discussed and agreed by all sides (IN THIS VERY THREAD) that politicians across the board have this stupid tendency to add unnecessary shit to bills. Kennedy Center is one of many.

It's just plain sad to see people think this has to be blindly tribal and expect everyone to be that way. I didn't like it's addition to the bill. But it's 80,000 times smaller than the issue at hand. There are bigger fish to fry right now. It's a joke to even try to compare the two and whataboutism is up there with ad hominem for the worst debate tactics. It shows a weak argument because you've conceded arguing the point.

Brunswick put eloquently what will happen even with oversight because that's the shitty reality of our politics from both sides. Special interests will be taken care of over the common man in the name of trickle down economics. We get mad in crisis at those who hoard toilet paper; however, we don't bat an eye at the consolidation and hoarding of money / wealth.

The difference with what Trump did is he positioned himself to be in control of 20 times as much money as Putin is in control of. Putin became de facto dictator of Russia not by force or by preaching a cause to rally the people behind, but by sole control of the money. The rich bend to his will to keep that flow going. Donald is setting himself to have no opposition to his control of this money and have 20X as much as Putin.

Regardless of policies the person has, that should enrage you at your core as an American and a person who stands for freedom. If you need help getting mad, imagine the sick things Hillary could do with that power and money. She could have Epstein shot on live TV and laugh about. She could nuke Benghazi off the map and strike it from the history books. Biden is no different. How many women he'd forget to silence or how many phone scams he'd give away his social security too. Bernie would do awful things like universal healthcare or rectify the fact that CEO's have had a 900%+ average pay increase since 1978 while the average american has had only about a 15ish% pay increase. Or perhaps he would even eradicate all student loan debt the monster. Then our average McD's manager might not be miserable with their mountains of debt for their masters degree in 16th century french lit and may actually be happy to do their job and thus not **** up my order. What a horrible society!

Regardless the scary thought here is watching the US become like Russia. If that's what you want then say it comrade.

Republicans tend toward fascism. Democrats tend toward communism ... comrade. Free market capitalism is different than both.

[Johnson85]

Republicans tend toward fascism. Democrats tend toward communism ... comrade. Free market capitalism is different than both.

Not by any normal definition of fascism. Fascism and communism are competing ideologies, but they are both on the left by any reasonable definition. If you are using fascism as a synonym for corporatism, which can sort of look similar if you squint in the sense that national and corporate interests are basically merged, then that would be fair'ish, although I think that's still inaccurate, as it's more about crony capitalism and rewarding particular politically connected people than thinking of the interests as the same. .

[dawgday166]

Not by any normal definition of fascism. Fascism and communism are competing ideologies, but they are both on the left by any reasonable definition. If you are using fascism as a synonym for corporatism, which can sort of look similar if you squint in the sense that national and corporate interests are basically merged, then that would be fair'ish, although I think that's still inaccurate, as it's more about crony capitalism and rewarding particular politically connected people than thinking of the interests as the same. .

I mostly agree with that .. both are socialistic (leftist) with fascism being on the far right of the left side.

[Commercecomet24]

Fauci is a fraud. Guy was saying millions die if we do nothing and 200,000 if we do it perfect. And that was all while not even believing in silent carriers. The man blew it. Completely got it wrong.

Yep 100% right.

[dantheman4248]

Yep 100% right.

It appears cooter misquoted Fauci. This was indeed not 100% right. 100K-200K yearly total and the best case model right now shows 60k by aug 4th.

I don't understand this complex with trying to boogeyman anyone out of this (let alone Fauci). Blame China and their lies, but don't fall for this schtick of making Fauci the fall guy. Our inaction was spearheaded from the top and his public comments are etched forever on the record. If you still watch TV the "it will go away like a miracle" "no one is doing better than us" will be overlayed with the death statistics we have from this ad nauseam during the election cycle.

Also on an overall note for those celebrating before the finish line:

“Nothing would be worse than declaring victory before the victory is won,” Trump said at a press conference. “That would be the greatest loss of all.” <-- Spicing it up with a good quote from the pres.

[hacker]

The experts told us social distancing would work. It's working. WHY DID WE LISTEN TO THEM? THEY'RE ALL FRAUDS

Y'all are dense