The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[hacker]

You just lost all credibility.

It was a Moorhead quote too, I knew y'all would love it

[chef dixon]

Almost no one is dying in an ICU from COVID-19 in this country without being on hydroxychloroquine unless they are in an randomized controlled trial and randomized not to receive it. That does not mean it is the right or wrong thing to do for the patient. That has yet to be determined.

[SheltonChoked]

I've heard only positive things about chloroquine so far which is encouraging. I think people are being cautious about it because since they can't do their standard years of trial research on gold standard of sample sizes on it if it turns out not to help or let's say something helps out even more then they're basically covering their asses.

The issue with the Chloroquine /Zpack treatment is it will give a certain % of the population a heart attack.

Having a bunch of heart attacks when we are trying to figure out how to get enough ICU beds for Covid-19 is counter productive....

[starkvegasdawg]

Now 758 cases in MS. Jump of 95 from yesterday if my math is correct.

[hacker]

Here's an analogy for blaming China.

There's a robber on the loose in your neighborhood. You're standing on your front porch watching him run from house to house. He gets to your house. You're still standing there watching. He robs you. You get mad and blame your neighbors for not stopping him.

[msstate7]

We've now tested over 700k people in the US, and doing about a 90k a day. I wish we'd do a testing sample of around 10k people around the country that show no symptoms. I'd really like to know how many would test positive. Of the ones that tested positive, I'd like to watch them to see how many end up developing symptoms and how long it takes

[cheewgumm]

Hacker, id add ?you first built a fence to protect your family bit the other neighbors called you racist for doing so?, then continue with your analogy.

[MaroonFlounder]

The issue with the Chloroquine /Zpack treatment is it will give a certain % of the population a heart attack.

Having a bunch of heart attacks when we are trying to figure out how to get enough ICU beds for Covid-19 is counter productive....

Link for that data?

[hacker]

We've now tested over 700k people in the US, and doing about a 90k a day. I wish we'd do a testing sample of around 10k people around the country that show no symptoms. I'd really like to know how many would test positive. Of the ones that tested positive, I'd like to watch them to see how many end up developing symptoms and how long it takes

100% agreed

[dantheman4248]

Heard a rumor that when people are on ventilators w/ COVID-19 that the doctors are ordered to treat them as Do Not Resuscitate. This will inevitably make the lethality be higher than it should be as it would mean we are not fighting this as best we can for every patient.

Not saying this is factual, just looking to see if others have heard similarly.

[chef dixon]

Link for that data?

SheltonChoked is on the right track. Z-pack + hydroxychloroquine (and each one individually) does put patients at a higher risk for a potentially fatal heart rhythm (not exactly a heart attack). The risk it actually happens is quite low, but it is something to be concerned about in an already critical condition patient. But he brings up a good point: everything doctors do, even in dire situations, have risks and can make things worse. That is why its not as simple as passing out these meds to everyone.

[Dawgology]

It seems they are waiting until someone is hospitalized and looking really bad before trying the z-pack/chlor. It's not a miracle drug but what it is is a prophylactic which is why doctors and nurses that are treating patients with Covid-19 are freely taking chloro. It needs to be administered to everyone that is at risk, beginning to show symptoms, etc. not as they are lying on their death bed. Don't give me crap about heart issues. Chloro was gobbled up by hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in Vietnam. Here it is verbatim by the CDC. Why are they suddenly changing their tune.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resource...hloroquine.pdf

[yjnkdawg]

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[chef dixon]

Heard a rumor that when people are on ventilators w/ COVID-19 that the doctors are ordered to treat them as Do Not Resuscitate. This will inevitably make the lethality be higher than it should be as it would mean we are not fighting this as best we can for every patient.

Not saying this is factual, just looking to see if others have heard similarly.

Impossible to know every instance, but unlikely to be true. DNR ends up being way more complicated than it may seem. There are always misconceptions about what it entails and causes a lot of confusion and misunderstanding between doctors and patients/family. Going on the ventilator itself in theory goes against a general DNR order, although situations when a previously healthy loved one deteriorates are always fluid. What you are hearing would be incredibly hard to do ethically as long as hospitals have capacity. There are certainly instances where once a patient is on the ventilator and chances of recovery look pretty bad, the doctors can decide to not do any further CPR type interventions but usually will try to treat them properly otherwise. Getting to that point is not easy ethically and I would be surprised if they are already making that a blanket policy anywhere.

[defiantdog]

Here's an analogy for blaming China.

There's a robber on the loose in your neighborhood. You're standing on your front porch watching him run from house to house. He gets to your house. You're still standing there watching. He robs you. You get mad and blame your neighbors for not stopping him.

Yeah, but you know this robber because it came from your neighbor's house.

[hacker]

Yeah, but you know this robber because it came from your neighbor's house.

Fair enough. Still your fault for not doing anything though.

China did some bad things but to sit here and try to blame someone other than ourselves for not being prepared is a loser attitude.

They're even trying to help us.

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[dparker]

Here's an analogy for blaming China.

There's a robber on the loose in your neighborhood. You're standing on your front porch watching him run from house to house. He gets to your house. You're still standing there watching. He robs you. You get mad and blame your neighbors for not stopping him.

Not to mention we pulled the people who were supposed to be monitoring this kind of thing from on the ground in China. Having experts on the ground would have given us a clearer picture.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21C3N5

[chef dixon]

It seems they are waiting until someone is hospitalized and looking really bad before trying the z-pack/chlor. It's not a miracle drug but what it is is a prophylactic which is why doctors and nurses that are treating patients with Covid-19 are freely taking chloro. It needs to be administered to everyone that is at risk, beginning to show symptoms, etc. not as they are lying on their death bed. Don't give me crap about heart issues. Chloro was gobbled up by hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in Vietnam. Here it is verbatim by the CDC. Why are they suddenly changing their tune.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resource...hloroquine.pdf

Not arguing for or against that suggestion that more people should be on it, but it has not been validated as prophylactic (for COVID specifically) either. The doctors and nurses that are doing so are not doing it based on any concrete evidence.

[Mjoelner34]

Not to mention we pulled the people who were supposed to be monitoring this kind of thing from on the ground in China. Having experts on the ground would have given us a clearer picture.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21C3N5

From the article: “The problem was China, not that we didn’t have CDC people in China,” said Scott McNabb, a former CDC epidemiologist who is now a research professor with Emory University. He pointed to China’s censorship as the main culprit in the spread of the pandemic, which has infected at least 435,470 people worldwide, killed 19,598 and upended the global economy.

[Todd4State]

The issue with the Chloroquine /Zpack treatment is it will give a certain % of the population a heart attack.

Having a bunch of heart attacks when we are trying to figure out how to get enough ICU beds for Covid-19 is counter productive....

You're worried about people having heart attacks in a country that consumes how much fast food?

Worrying about the small percentage that may get an arrhythmia (not a heart attack) at the expense of thousands dying is illogical.