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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    FIFY

    New York has roughly half of the cases in the US. Louisiana is well on their way to getting out of control too. California, Washington, Michigan, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey all 8 of these are in the top 10. I see a common thread.
    States with major cities and more international tourists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    States with major cities and more international tourists?
    LOL. Yeah, sure, that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StateDawg44 View Post
    Huh?
    If the economy is "raring to go" for Easter and trump pressures states to relax the mitigation steps they've taken, then it's going to spread fast again. The old and the weak are at most vulnerable, so allowing covid-19 to spread uncontrollably again would be putting those people at risk. Even if they are allowed to "shelter in place" to avoid reporting to work and make other special considerations for their needs (healthcare, food delivery, etc), the few people they would come into contact with would now have a higher risk of being carriers. So yes, I shortened to to "throw the old and the weak to the wolves" (quotation for quoting myself, not quoting trump, I never intended that to be a quote just my commentary on what he's effectively wanting to do).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    If the economy is "raring to go" for Easter and trump pressures states to relax the mitigation steps they've taken, then it's going to spread fast again. The old and the weak are at most vulnerable, so allowing covid-19 to spread uncontrollably again would be putting those people at risk. Even if they are allowed to "shelter in place" to avoid reporting to work and make other special considerations for their needs (healthcare, food delivery, etc), the few people they would come into contact with would now have a higher risk of being carriers. So yes, I shortened to to "throw the old and the weak to the wolves" (quotation for quoting myself, not quoting trump, I never intended that to be a quote just my commentary on what he's effectively wanting to do).
    So, he never proposed to "throw the old and weak to the wolves".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    LOL. Yeah, sure, that's it.
    It's weird you expect mayors to have more and better access to international heath crises than the federal government. Nevermind the state of Washington has been begging the feds for emergency funding and help from the CDC since the end of January. Sorry, but a disease isn't political.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    So, he never proposed to "throw the old and weak to the wolves".
    I feel like Trump is banking on those meds working to control the Coronavirus. I hope he's right.

    Would make sense given the encouraging results so far of the meds working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    If the economy is "raring to go" for Easter and trump pressures states to relax the mitigation steps they've taken, then it's going to spread fast again. The old and the weak are at most vulnerable, so allowing covid-19 to spread uncontrollably again would be putting those people at risk. Even if they are allowed to "shelter in place" to avoid reporting to work and make other special considerations for their needs (healthcare, food delivery, etc), the few people they would come into contact with would now have a higher risk of being carriers. So yes, I shortened to to "throw the old and the weak to the wolves" (quotation for quoting myself, not quoting trump, I never intended that to be a quote just my commentary on what he's effectively wanting to do).
    Quite a reach there. You took 3 words that he said and came up with an entire (hypothetical) scenario, and assigned him blame for your (hypothetical) scenario. I mean, come on. I don't believe for a second that the economy will be raring to go by Easter. I think he's trying to calm the masses and keep the market from further free fall.

    Go here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Click on any country with a hyper link. There are very few that have a graph that looks any different from ours. Those countries are either:
    1. Small, so more manageable
    2. Socialist/Communist, so they can force more drastic measures easier
    3. Reporting incomplete data because they're not testing adequately

    Most countries have a graph that looks exactly like ours. Is Trump responsible for those countries as well? As I ask that, I realize there are several people ITT that will say "yes, it is".

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    So, he never proposed to "throw the old and weak to the wolves".
    If he's pressuring businesses and states and federal offices to re-open before we have it under control, he's doing exactly that. Believe it or not, folks usually don't say the god awful thing they know will be a consequence of their actions when they wanna act anyway. Though some on the state level are in fact admitting they would be sacrificing certain segments of the population.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/2905990001

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    It's weird you expect mayors to have more and better access to international heath crises than the federal government. Nevermind the state of Washington has been begging the feds for emergency funding and help from the CDC since the end of January. Sorry, but a disease isn't political.
    Mayors don't control states. Governors do. And states have been enacting their own policies for weeks, and state policies supersede federal in most instances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    Quite a reach there. You took 3 words that he said and came up with an entire (hypothetical) scenario, and assigned him blame for your (hypothetical) scenario. I mean, come on. I don't believe for a second that the economy will be raring to go by Easter. I think he's trying to calm the masses and keep the market from further free fall.

    Go here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Click on any country with a hyper link. There are very few that have a graph that looks any different from ours. Those countries are either:
    1. Small, so more manageable
    2. Socialist/Communist, so they can force more drastic measures easier
    3. Reporting incomplete data because they're not testing adequately

    Most countries have a graph that looks exactly like ours. Is Trump responsible for those countries as well? As I ask that, I realize there are several people ITT that will say "yes, it is".
    Making dumb unreasonable comments to "calm the markets" when we all know the truth doesn't in fact calm the markets, instead makes them more volatile cause no one know wtf the plan is. We are well past the point of calming the markets, and "re-opening business" ain't gonna change that because the markets understand that there is no prosperity while this is an ongoing issue.

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    People on both sides of this issue tend to only see and hear what they want to see and hear. The truth as always is somewhere in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    Making dumb unreasonable comments to "calm the markets" when we all know the truth doesn't in fact calm the markets, instead makes them more volatile cause no one know wtf the plan is. We are well past the point of calming the markets, and "re-opening business" ain't gonna change that because the markets understand that there is no prosperity while this is an ongoing issue.
    You seem to know a lot about dumb unreasonable comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    People on both sides of this issue tend to only see and hear what they want to see and hear. The truth as always is somewhere in the middle.
    Exactly. I argued this early ITT.

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    If trump were wanting to throw the "old and weak to the wolves" why wait till Easter or say he'd reevaluate then? Just open it now or declare it over on Easter right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    Mayors don't control states. Governors do. And states have been enacting their own policies for weeks, and state policies supersede federal in most instances.
    We need an initial strong centralize plan, followed by regional/state/city level plans once we can pause and figure out where this shit is. New Orleans probably wishes they'd been forced to cancel Mardi Gras about now, but at the time there weren't any cases in New Orleans, so party on, right? What about spring breakers in Florida and Texas last week? St paddy's partners in Chicago and Boston? Churchgoers in Baton Rouge? Every time some dumbshits gather in a big group like that, we have to assume a mass spread just occurred and need to push back everything another couple weeks. All we are gonna end up with is states using police force to impose checkpoints on their state lines with this hodgepodge array of measures being taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    People on both sides of this issue tend to only see and hear what they want to see and hear. The truth as always is somewhere in the middle.
    I was just about to type this until I saw your post. Exactly. If you look hard enough for something, you'll find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    If trump were wanting to throw the "old and weak to the wolves" why wait till Easter or say he'd reevaluate then? Just open it now or declare it over on Easter right now
    Why even talk like that if he's not at least strongly considering it?

    Jesus Christ, some of y'all have a ****ed up sense of how one should lead in these times. W was a fine leader to calm and unite the country after 9/11. I am not a fan of W's politics, but he made me feel at ease because he didn't come out rambling, contradicting himself, issuing statements after addressing the nation contradicting the actual shit he said when addressing the nation, it's fine to admit he is in way over his head and we are all worse off for it, even if you like low taxes and small gubment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    You seem to know a lot about dumb unreasonable comments.
    You think big investors are calmed by trump saying the economy will be "raring to go by Easter"? They aren't idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOdawg1 View Post
    I was just about to type this until I saw your post. Exactly. If you look hard enough for something, you'll find it.
    It's the problem plaguing our country right now, in all phases. People will get on one side of an argument and refuse to listen to rational thought from the other side. If you keep an open mind you can really learn something from other folks even if you think you know everything already lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    Why even talk like that if he's not at least strongly considering it?

    Jesus Christ, some of y'all have a ****ed up sense of how one should lead in these times. W was a fine leader to calm and unite the country after 9/11. I am not a fan of W's politics, but he made me feel at ease because he didn't come out rambling, contradicting himself, issuing statements after addressing the nation contradicting the actual shit he said when addressing the nation, it's fine to admit he is in way over his head and we are all worse off for it, even if you like low taxes and small gubment.
    Guess what... I hope it's open by Easter too. Lots of my family and friends are headed for hard times. Am I willing to "throw the weak and old to the wolves"? No, but if the economy is down too long, we throwing a crap load of the old, young, and in between to the wolves. Not everyone has a government job.

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