The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

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[dantheman4248]

Those countries are 4+ months ahead of us. A Dr I work with at a hospital in MS said yesterday this is the single greatest response from government agencies he's ever seen as in his 40 years of providing medical care. Said the response from all levels has been fast and efficient.
We could've thrown together tests for this and it could've killed people. The government has done everything they can to assist the medical community.

Since you are lacking reading comprehension...

WE HAD OUR FIRST CONFIRMED CASE ON THE EXACT SAME DAY AS SOUTH KOREA.

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"Some people form their beliefs based on evidence. Others, their evidence on beliefs."

[Johnson85]

How can you say there was nothing we could do when several other countries a lot poorer, less developed than us - have not only slowed the spread, it has basically stopped.

We are following the Italy model as opposed to the Japan/South Korea model.

Shit, in most places in MS/AL we don't even have tests still.

I think its safe to say that this was a cluster****. To try and act like the administration took this seriously and that there was simply nothing we could do, is just creating a narrative out of thin air. I say all this despite voting for the man. He ****ed this up. Any attempt to say otherwise is just partisan bullshit.

We are not Japan or South Korea, mostly for good and sometimes for bad. We will always look indecisive compared to them in any crisis, which again, will sometimes be good and sometimes be bad. I don't think Trump has done a particularly good or bad job. It's been abundantly clear that our bureaucracies are out of control and working against him a lot, so even if he had tried to weigh in on the day to day decisions and standing procedures that 17ed us, I don't know that it would have made anything better or worse.

The head of CDC doesn't look like an unqualified appointment. Hard to really hammer Trump for that one. I really doubt Trump was involved in the CDC's decision to do its own test or in screwing it up. I don't think Trump was the one that put the FDA regulations in place that required other parties to have to go through a time consuming approval process. (Probably the biggest thing you can blame Trump for is not just issuing an emergency executive order suspending those regs; that might not have exactly been legal, but provided nobody got injunctive relief against it, it would be a moot issue by the time it was resolved).

We are never going to be set up to respond to a crisis like this with the swift efficiency of smaller, more homogenous and obedient cultures or authoritarian ones. WHen the first CDC test didn't work, that pretty much 17ed us.

[MaroonFlounder]

How can you say there was nothing we could do when several other countries a lot poorer, less developed than us - have not only slowed the spread, it has basically stopped.

We are following the Italy model as opposed to the Japan/South Korea model.

Shit, in most places in MS/AL we don't even have tests still.

I think its safe to say that this was a cluster****. To try and act like the administration took this seriously and that there was simply nothing we could do, is just creating a narrative out of thin air. I say all this despite voting for the man. He ****ed this up. Any attempt to say otherwise is just partisan bullshit.

Trump will get the blame for the delay in serious action, yes. It probably means Biden will be your next president.

CHINA was going to make sure other nations took it lightly with LIES, MIS-INFORMATION, and COVER-UP.

[Churchill]

[QUOTE=Commercecomet24;1238536]Anyone heard about refinery's shutting down and gas supplies being shut down due to the corona?[/QUOTE

If we see this, how do we know it's not part of an effort to prop up prices in the face of quickly declining consumption figures ? In this country always remember to follow the money first.

[Joebob]

Those countries are 4+ months ahead of us. A Dr I work with at a hospital in MS said yesterday this is the single greatest response from government agencies he's ever seen as in his 40 years of providing medical care. Said the response from all levels has been fast and efficient.
We could've thrown together tests for this and it could've killed people. The government has done everything they can to assist the medical community.

What that doctor is missing is that this country was totally unprepared for this pandemic and didn?t begin their response until it was too late to avoid draconian economic consequences. Tell him to do some reading on Korea?s response to this and he?ll quickly change his opinion.

[99jc]

While I would agree that Trump minimized this at the beginning anyone that would blame him has no common sense.

[Dawg2003]

Louisiana up to 479 cases. They update twice a day. We are up to 80.

[chef dixon]

I'm not sure why anyone would think Trump would know how to handle a global pandemic crisis. He's got no qualifications for it. It's not really his fault he's not prepared but he is the president so here we are.

[deadheaddawg]

Those countries are 4+ months ahead of us. .

You are so uniformed on this subject it would be best if you just kept quiet and listened

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[Johnson85]

I'm not sure why anyone would think Trump would know how to handle a global pandemic crisis. He's got no qualifications for it. It's not really his fault he's not prepared but he is the president so here we are.

We haven't had a President in my memory that would know how to handle a global pandemic crisis. Experience in how to handle that is not generally conducive to making a presidential run. I'd rather have Regan, Bush I, or Clinton in charge, but I'm not sure they'd make much of a difference. Based on Obama's performance, I'd prefer Trump. I'd be indifferent between Bush II and Trump. But I don't think any of them would move the needle a ton. The 17ups were mainly at the CDC. If the testing hadn't been screwed up, then maybe we'd see a difference in performance based on who is president. But the testing screwups pretty much limit the effectiveness of what we any President could legally do, and I don't think any president would be in the weeds enough at the CDC to make a difference on that.

[msstate7]

Pretty grim way to paint it with the this stat right above where you got that...

[dawgs]

Those countries are 4+ months ahead of us. A Dr I work with at a hospital in MS said yesterday this is the single greatest response from government agencies he's ever seen as in his 40 years of providing medical care. Said the response from all levels has been fast and efficient.
We could've thrown together tests for this and it could've killed people. The government has done everything they can to assist the medical community.

I question this doctor if his argument is a swab up the nose "could've killed people".

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Pretty grim way to paint it with the this stat right above where you got that...

The mild/critical condition isn't accurate. For example, it says Iran has 0 critical cases yet 150 people died there yesterday. I imagine not everywhere is reporting this data and if they don't get the data for a particular case, it goes into the mild bucket.

[dawgs]

We haven't had a President in my memory that would know how to handle a global pandemic crisis. Experience in how to handle that is not generally conducive to making a presidential run. I'd rather have Regan, Bush I, or Clinton in charge, but I'm not sure they'd make much of a difference. Based on Obama's performance, I'd prefer Trump. I'd be indifferent between Bush II and Trump. But I don't think any of them would move the needle a ton. The 17ups were mainly at the CDC. If the testing hadn't been screwed up, then maybe we'd see a difference in performance based on who is president. But the testing screwups pretty much limit the effectiveness of what we any President could legally do, and I don't think any president would be in the weeds enough at the CDC to make a difference on that.

Yeah, I'd take the guy that cut the pandemic response team that Obama put into place over obama who had experience with the Ebola and MERS outbreaks elsewhere in the world under his administration, saw the threat, and put a team together to have logistics plans in place and ready to mobilize in these exact type scenarios. But maybe that's just my bias showing.

[KOdawg1]

You are so uniformed on this subject it would be best if you just kept quiet and listened

I wish you would take your own advice.

[msstate7]

The mild/critical condition isn't accurate. For example, it says Iran has 0 critical cases yet 150 people died there yesterday. I imagine not everywhere is reporting this data and if they don't get the data for a particular case, it goes into the mild bucket.

Guess you think case number is accurate though.


I'll take the under (way under) on 10% death rate when this is over.

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Guess you think case number is accurate though.


I'll take the under (way under) on 10% death rate when this is over.

Me too, especially when you consider the asymptomatic/mild cases that aren't being detected. But it's still the best data we have at this point.

But just keep in mind, SARS had a 10% death rate, MERS > 30%. COVID is in the same family.