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    Herd immunity...What a joke! Tell that to the families of the bodies I helped transport today. From what i have personally witnessed this crap will be with us for another year...And we will all be on food stamps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    This absolutely is not what herd immunity means.
    herd immunity - noun - the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.

    Are you just willfully being wrong or do you actually not know elementary level vocabulary words? If the latter, why are you posting like you know with absolute fact? If the former, I'm reporting for trolling, making MSU fans look bad, and going off-topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantheman4248 View Post
    herd immunity - noun - the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.

    Are you just willfully being wrong or do you actually not know elementary level vocabulary words? If the latter, why are you posting like you know with absolute fact? If the former, I'm reporting for trolling, making MSU fans look bad, and going off-topic.
    To be fair, the definition you posted and how Liverpool defined herd immunity are not the same thing at all.

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    Herd immunity is simply a populations resistance to a disease. Herd immunity can be gained through natural selection, developed immunity, or vaccinations for a majority of the population.

    Good examples of each:

    Natural selection: A large portion of sub-saharan africa's population have developed genetic mutations over the past 300 years that make them partially resistant to malaria. This often presents as sickle-cell anemia or thalassemia in the population but actually impacts the shape of red blood cells which, in turn, impacts the microorganisms ability to "attach" to the red blood cell. These genetics mutations are, of course, as a result of wide-spread infection and death allowing the gene causing this abnormality to be passed on.

    Developed Immunity: 1918 flu pandemic. Those that survived that were later immune to H1N1. There are numerous other small-scale examples but it really goes hand-in-hand with natural selection. Both natural selection and developed herd immunity is always accompanied with a higher death toll.

    Vaccine based herd immunity: Polio. Measles. etc. that list goes on and on. Vaccine based herd immunity usually requires about 95% of the population to take the vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef dixon View Post
    Shingles is a form of herpes virus. You are correct that most of the herpes virus types are characterized by that ability to lay dormant. Shingles does have a vaccine as you mentioned. Respiratory viruses including coronavirus strains don't typically behave in that manner, so would be a new thing and I wouldn't suspect that to be the case.

    I would compare the probability of a successful vaccine to other coronavirus strains and not the behavior of the virus. I also think if enough research, money and need is there, we will eventually get one that works.
    Pretty sure shingles is from teh virus that causes chicken pox? So everybody that has had chickenpox is at risk of shingles when they get older (or really at any time, but typically it happens to older people).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99jc View Post
    Herd immunity...What a joke! Tell that to the families of the bodies I helped transport today. From what i have personally witnessed this crap will be with us for another year...And we will all be on food stamps!
    You are a government man. You will not see food stamps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgology View Post
    Herd immunity is simply a populations resistance to a disease. Herd immunity can be gained through natural selection, developed immunity, or vaccinations for a majority of the population.

    Good examples of each:

    Natural selection: A large portion of sub-saharan africa's population have developed genetic mutations over the past 300 years that make them partially resistant to malaria. This often presents as sickle-cell anemia or thalassemia in the population but actually impacts the shape of red blood cells which, in turn, impacts the microorganisms ability to "attach" to the red blood cell. These genetics mutations are, of course, as a result of wide-spread infection and death allowing the gene causing this abnormality to be passed on.

    Developed Immunity: 1918 flu pandemic. Those that survived that were later immune to H1N1. There are numerous other small-scale examples but it really goes hand-in-hand with natural selection. Both natural selection and developed herd immunity is always accompanied with a higher death toll.

    Vaccine based herd immunity: Polio. Measles. etc. that list goes on and on. Vaccine based herd immunity usually requires about 95% of the population to take the vaccine.
    If you have sickle cell you will not get Malaria. If you have sickle cell traits you will not get Malaria. That is how they became immune to Malaria. But if they have sickle cell they die anyways.

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    How many less tests were done in Florida due to storm? I wanna get excited about their drop in cases, but not sure on number of tests. Deaths going down is good regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Lambert View Post
    If you have sickle cell you will not get Malaria. If you have sickle cell traits you will not get Malaria. That is how they became immune to Malaria. But if they have sickle cell they die anyways.
    Evolutions a bitch isn't it? Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    To be fair, the definition you posted and how Liverpool defined herd immunity are not the same thing at all.
    Thank you for acknowledging this. Reading comprehension is in short supply on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 99jc View Post
    Herd immunity...What a joke! Tell that to the families of the bodies I helped transport today. From what i have personally witnessed this crap will be with us for another year...And we will all be on food stamps!

    Well, what would the alternative be?

    Getting to the point that the virus burns itself out is going to be painful, but trying to lock down is going to be painful, and it's not a sure thing that we will make a difference. Maybe we'll get a vaccine 1Q of 2021, maybe we want. Maybe we'll get a vaccine but find out that significant impacts on community transmission kick in at 30%, in which case we inflicted a lot of unnecessary pain for nothing. Maybe we won't get a vaccine and awe'll find out tramission doesn't slow significantly until we get 70% of the populatin infected, in which case we were just screwed regardless, but we probably picked the more painful method.

    Something tragic has happened and a lot of people are going to die. Certainly not as bad as it could be, but it's really bad. Just because it's really bad doesn't mean that we can make it better by locking down. WE were probably 17ed the moment China decided they wanted to try to hide it rather than locking down and preventing spread beyond China. But even if China had been open and forthcoming, I'm not sure they realistically could have contained the spread to within China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    Well, what would the alternative be?

    Getting to the point that the virus burns itself out is going to be painful, but trying to lock down is going to be painful, and it's not a sure thing that we will make a difference. Maybe we'll get a vaccine 1Q of 2021, maybe we want. Maybe we'll get a vaccine but find out that significant impacts on community transmission kick in at 30%, in which case we inflicted a lot of unnecessary pain for nothing. Maybe we won't get a vaccine and awe'll find out tramission doesn't slow significantly until we get 70% of the populatin infected, in which case we were just screwed regardless, but we probably picked the more painful method.

    Something tragic has happened and a lot of people are going to die. Certainly not as bad as it could be, but it's really bad. Just because it's really bad doesn't mean that we can make it better by locking down. WE were probably 17ed the moment China decided they wanted to try to hide it rather than locking down and preventing spread beyond China. But even if China had been open and forthcoming, I'm not sure they realistically could have contained the spread to within China.
    It could have been contained much more if they had been truthful about it and it's transmission rates...or the fact that it was transmittable...recall they originally told everyone it couldn't be transmitted from human to human while hiding numerous cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    Pretty sure shingles is from teh virus that causes chicken pox? So everybody that has had chickenpox is at risk of shingles when they get older (or really at any time, but typically it happens to older people).
    It is, but it's also in the herpes virus family.

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    Arizona reporting lowest new case total since June 15th. Deaths today are 14 after only 18 yesterday.
    Last edited by msstate7; 08-03-2020 at 11:32 AM.

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    Isn't there an old theory about the spread of viruses moving along latitude lines?

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    New cases in Mississippi have been declining over the past few days. Very good news and I hope the trend continues.

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    Some information on studies involving kids.

    https://www.vox.com/21352597/covid-1...on-new-studies

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    Strange anecdotal case. My young nephew (under 6 months old) recently tested positive. His mom took him because he was showing symptoms of a cold (mild fever, runny nose, sneeze). Now, this kiddo was born back in March right in the teeth of the pandemic fear sweeping the nation. He's been kept at home since the beginning of this. Literally, hasn't left home since he was brought home from the hospital.

    As such...only 5 people have come into contact with him. His parents and their parents. No one else has been allowed to the house and they all wear masks and wash hands constantly. Of course, once he tested positive all of them had to be tested. Here's the twist...none of them tested positive. Everyone is scratching their heads over how this little guy got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgology View Post
    Strange anecdotal case. My young nephew (under 6 months old) recently tested positive. His mom took him because he was showing symptoms of a cold (mild fever, runny nose, sneeze). Now, this kiddo was born back in March right in the teeth of the pandemic fear sweeping the nation. He's been kept at home since the beginning of this. Literally, hasn't left home since he was brought home from the hospital.

    As such...only 5 people have come into contact with him. His parents and their parents. No one else has been allowed to the house and they all wear masks and wash hands constantly. Of course, once he tested positive all of them had to be tested. Here's the twist...none of them tested positive. Everyone is scratching their heads over how this little guy got it.
    The logical thing is that one of the 5 had it but was asymptomatic, passed it on to him, but was no longer + by the time they were tested.

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