The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[confucius say]

How did South Korea know who to test?

They didn't. They tested anybody who wanted a test. Or at least they said they did. They were mass testing from the jump

Asian citizens are also more likely to voluntarily be tracked or go along with their govt tracking them. We are not.

[SheltonChoked]

They didn't. They tested anybody who wanted a test. Or at least they said they did. They were mass testing from the jump

Asian citizens are also more likely to voluntarily be tracked or go along with their govt tracking them. We are not.

Wrong.

They tested symptomatic people, The contact traced.

That's how they know Patient 31 spread it to 1,160 people.

South Korea even published the data of how many each person infected.

Here is a story with pictures...

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-H...3SB/index.html

[confucius say]

LOL.

It literally passed YESTERDAY.

Do you allow your web browser to know your location?


The government can get your browser history without a warrant... https://gizmodo.com/heres-who-just-v...arc-1843445032 Supported by Both Mississippi senators.

Your location is in that Data...

And you opted in.

Which is why I said "enforce." You can't enforce digital tracking or closes circuit monitoring for contact tracing purposes, at least not yet.

Yesterday's bill you reference was an amendment to the patriot act, and all it did was allow access to browser history without a warrant if the history is relevant to an already ongoing criminal investigation.That law may or may not survive 4th amendment judicial scrutiny, but regardless it is limited to use in criminal investigations. Any info gathered cannot be used for any purpose outside of what is allowable under the patriot act, and certainly not to enforce anything to do with contact tracing or for any non-criminal use, such as monitoring where a law abiding citizen has been and who he's contacted.

The govt cannot lawfully monitor your daily whereabouts for the purpose of contact tracing. At least not yet. There are conversations being had about it though, and some of the legal concerns are addresses in this article. Will be an interesting constitutional debate.

https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/news/...acing-programs

[KOdawg1]

This whole thing began so that we could bend the curve and not overload our healthcare system. Mission accomplished.

Now the whole situation has turned strictly political. Both sides are jockeying for public support and its sickening. If you can't see that, you have blinders on. I don't care which way you lean within your beliefs, as both sides are guilty. In the interim, we're moving into a socialist society.

Yep. We lowered the curve. Our medical system has been able to handle everyone who needs attention.

[msstate7]

Miss casinos allowed to open next Thursday

[confucius say]

Wrong.

They tested symptomatic people, The contact traced.

That's how they know Patient 31 spread it to 1,160 people.

South Korea even published the data of how many each person infected.

Here is a story with pictures...

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-H...3SB/index.html

No, they tested symptomatic and asymptomatic people. I'm not saying they didn't contact trace mind you. I'm saying that is not what was the driving force that worked for them. See the quotes from the articles below.

They tested everybody who wanted a test, many multiple times, from the jump. 10-20k people a day, regardless of symptoms or contacts.

South Korea "immediately began the testing of asymptomatic people, rather than restricting testing to those with severe conditions or a history of contact with affected people."

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commen...virus-response

And, while noting that the four keys to reducing spread were social distancing, testing, tracing contacts, and travel bans, "widespread testing has been the key to reducing transmission in South Korea."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconv...ymptoms-134381

"South Korea has been testing basically everyone since the outbreak had become apparent."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-south-korea-test-data/amp/

Again, they didn't use contact tracing to know who to test. They tested everyone, regardless of contacts or symptoms.

[dawgday166]

No, they tested symptomatic and asymptomatic people. I'm not saying they didn't contact trace mind you. I'm saying that is not what was the driving force that worked for them. See the quotes from the articles below.

They tested everybody who wanted a test, many multiple times, from the jump. 10-20k people a day, regardless of symptoms or contacts.

South Korea "immediately began the testing of asymptomatic people, rather than restricting testing to those with severe conditions or a history of contact with affected people."

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commen...virus-response

And, while noting that the four keys to reducing spread were social distancing, testing, tracing contacts, and travel bans, "widespread testing has been the key to reducing transmission in South Korea."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconv...ymptoms-134381

"South Korea has been testing basically everyone since the outbreak had become apparent."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune...test-data/amp/

Again, they didn't use contact tracing to know who to test. They tested everyone, regardless of contacts or symptoms.

Naww man ... it's a piece of cake. Spin up an army of folks to test everyone once/week and run around with thermometers checking everyone's forehead temps. Nuthin to it.

ETA: And when Covid under control said army of folks keep on doing same thing so another virus don't attack us. Folks like Shelton will breathe a lot easier then. Gotta be safe.

[SheltonChoked]

Naww man ... it's a piece of cake. Spin up an army of folks to test everyone once/week and run around with thermometers checking everyone's forehead temps. Nuthin to it.

ETA: And when Covid under control said army of folks keep on doing same thing so another virus don't attack us. Folks like Shelton will breathe a lot easier then. Gotta be safe.

Or you could use some of the millions out of work, that are already trained... The medical professionals in each town. No risk of them becoming a Covid Army.


But that doesn't fit your tinfoil hat conspiracy...

[SheltonChoked]

No, they tested symptomatic and asymptomatic people. I'm not saying they didn't contact trace mind you. I'm saying that is not what was the driving force that worked for them. See the quotes from the articles below.

They tested everybody who wanted a test, many multiple times, from the jump. 10-20k people a day, regardless of symptoms or contacts.

South Korea "immediately began the testing of asymptomatic people, rather than restricting testing to those with severe conditions or a history of contact with affected people."

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commen...virus-response

And, while noting that the four keys to reducing spread were social distancing, testing, tracing contacts, and travel bans, "widespread testing has been the key to reducing transmission in South Korea."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconv...ymptoms-134381

"South Korea has been testing basically everyone since the outbreak had become apparent."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune...test-data/amp/

Again, they didn't use contact tracing to know who to test. They tested everyone, regardless of contacts or symptoms.

Ok, I see what you are saying. I did not mean to infer they only tested positive people. But they contact traced the positives, and isolated them, preventing further spread.

Yes. They had enough testing to test whoever wanted it. But they were able to contain the virus by contact tracing and isolation of positive cases.. From your link

South Korea isolated and treated patients with mild or even no symptoms, which constrained further spread and minimized the impact on hospitals.

I also do not believe the South Korea is a more advanced country and with better workers than the US. Which is what " well they can test 100,000 a day in 2 weeks but the US cannot ever" sounds like to me.

Sorry I just thing we are a better country than that...

[Commercecomet24]

They are unfortunately spending their time suing to make sure due process protections are not extended to college students. Shit you not. https://news.yahoo.com/aclu-sues-bet...194951672.html

I think it's safe to say they are no longer a civil liberties group but are just a leftist group. It's a shame.

Yep, you got it. That's what I was getting at, they're not out to protect everyone's rights or liberties anymore. Smh. Helen Keller was one of the original founders.

[Percho]

https://www.cityofhope.org/breakthro...d-its-symptoms

[dawgday166]

https://www.cityofhope.org/breakthro...d-its-symptoms

Some cause for optimism ... if that drug is allowed to "make it". Never can tell ... more powerful folks who want to have the patent on the drug could discredit it or get it banned. Hydroxycloroquine + Zpac and/or Zinc seemed to be promising yet ... don't hear anything much on it anymore. Of course a dose of that costs like $0.60 if I recall correctly, and this remdesivir costs like $1000.00. Seems like I read something along those lines but may be recalling it incorrectly. The more expensive drug will obviously be better ***

Seems like part of why some folks die with Covid is similar to 1918 pandemic ... immune system's overreaction to the invader.

[SheltonChoked]

Some cause for optimism ... if that drug is allowed to "make it". Never can tell ... more powerful folks who want to have the patent on the drug could discredit it or get it banned. Hydroxycloroquine + Zpac and/or Zinc seemed to be promising yet ... don't hear anything much on it anymore. Of course a dose of that costs like $0.60 if I recall correctly, and this remdesivir costs like $1000.00. Seems like I read something along those lines but may be recalling it incorrectly. The more expensive drug will obviously be better ***

Seems like part of why some folks die with Covid is similar to 1918 pandemic ... immune system's overreaction to the invader.

Hydroxycloroquine + Zpac and/or Zinc was killing more people than it was helping.

The Brazilian researchers planned to enroll 440 people in their study to test whether chloroquine is a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19. Participants took either a "high dose" of the drug (600 milligrams twice daily for 10 days) or a "low dose" (450 mg for five days, with a double dose only on the first day). The study was "double blind," meaning that neither the patients nor their doctors knew which dose they were receiving. However, after enrolling just 81 patients, the researchers saw some concerning signs. Within a few days of starting the treatment, more patients in the high dose group experienced heart rhythm problems than did those in the low dose group. And two patients in the high dose group developed a fast, abnormal heart rate known as ventricular tachychardia before they died.

A retrospective study looked at veterans affairs (VA) hospitals across the U.S. and identified 368 male veterans who were hospitalized with COVID-19. The veterans were grouped based on whether they had received (1) hydroxychloroquine, (2) hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, or (3) no hydroxychloroquine.

Death rates were highest in the group that received hydroxychloroquine alone (28%), followed by the group that received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (22%). The group that did not receive hydroxychloroquine had the lowest death rate (11%).

n a large observational study of 1,376 hospitalized patients with COVID-19 in New York City, 811 people (59%) received hydroxychloroquine. There was minimal difference in the risk of needing a breathing tube (intubation) or death between those who didn?t get hydroxychloroquine and those who did.

It doesn't work like they thought and the risk of giving a person a heart attack increases.

That's why you stopped hearing about it. They used science.

[DownwardDawg]

Hydroxycloroquine + Zpac and/or Zinc was killing more people than it was helping.







It doesn't work like they thought and the risk of giving a person a heart attack increases.

That's why you stopped hearing about it. They used science.

Your first statement is completely false. It’s still being used as the number one treatment in many hospitals. It’s just not being reported to the media anymore because they suck at reporting anything truthful.

[Liverpooldawg]

Your first statement is completely false. It’s still being used as the number one treatment in many hospitals. It’s just not being reported to the media anymore because they suck at reporting anything truthful.

It was killing people. There is no doubt about that because it was killing people prior to COVID. It is a very useful but dangerous drug. You only use it where the benefit is proven to be substantial. You have to be careful with it. If you have an underlying heart problem, esp an arrhythmia, it can kill an otherwise healthy person. The problem with using it for COVID is there is no real proof that it does anything yet. There is REAL proof that it will kill people.

[chef dixon]

Your first statement is completely false. It?s still being used as the number one treatment in many hospitals. It?s just not being reported to the media anymore because they suck at reporting anything truthful.

The chances of azithromycin + hydroxychloroquine helping were very low to begin with. Its a shot in the dark which physicians do quite often in critically ill patients. Neither of those medicines act directly as antivirals anyway. They both have some anti-inflammatory properties and the thought is maybe it'll calm down the bodies immune response from overwhelming all their vital organs. The virus still most likely has to run its course. Problem is, as with most similar viruses, a lot of folks will improve anyway and some just won't.

[Dawg2003]

Your first statement is completely false. It’s still being used as the number one treatment in many hospitals. It’s just not being reported to the media anymore because they suck at reporting anything truthful.

In which hospitals are those meds being used as the number 1 treatment?

[Commercecomet24]

Worth a read from arguably the most respected pathologist in the country.

https://pg-share.newsslide.com/a1d03...NBLRF.facebook

[dawgday166]

Worth a read from arguably the most respected pathologist in the country.

https://pg-share.newsslide.com/a1d03...NBLRF.facebook

Dude ... I'm not stepping foot out of the house till everyone getting tested at least once/week and an army from federal guvmt is tracing folks, randomly stopping folks to take their temperatures, and handing out tickets or throwing folks in jail for not wearing a mask. And nobody else should either ****

[DownwardDawg]

Worth a read from arguably the most respected pathologist in the country.

https://pg-share.newsslide.com/a1d03...NBLRF.facebook

Very good read.