The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[Jack Lambert]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.

"If you're over 40 and not a republican, you don't have a brain."

Nah if you're over 40 and a republican, you're just whipped into submission by daddy capitalism. No surprise there from the generation who's defining war was losing to charlie in the chocolate tree with a death count 8X what the generation defining war took now. Boomers aren't strong. They're weak. Whipped into submission. Doing daddy capitalism's bidding.

Imagine bragging about your day. You're the weak generation who lost a war. You're the weak generation who let the income gap get ridiculously out of hand. You're the weak generation whose leadership has guided the US away from being the greatest country in the world. You are the weak. Period. Your generation will go down in history as the worst generation of the United States.

Imagine thinking someone deserves to control 100 billion dollars. They are so skilled. Drop Jeff Bezos down at the shipyard and he would work circles around those unskilled laborers. He deserves, he's so awesome. Those unskilled laborers should have went to college. Boomers did it back in their day with a small loan from daddy and a summer job that would pay all of tuition. ****ing disconnected from reality twats. You probably pay for an accountant too. Anyone who does, doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to economics. You already defer how to handle your own dollars, don't you dare give input how to handle the whole economies.

I can't believe this thread is still going.

[yjnkdawg]

I can't believe this thread is still going.

This thread went to crap shortly after the smartest*** person on this site took over the thread and politics was the main agenda.

[Johnson85]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.

If you seriously think you have identified the issue you are just simple. THere are lots of complaints about the corona related stimulus. But the reason they tried to save businesses is that they want people to stay employed. Businesses are just a conglomeration of economic arrangements and if you let them fail, there are a lot of transaction costs to just recreating those businesses after they fail. If you want to make an argument that the US should let businesses fail and that's part of capitalism and failing from a pandemic is just part of the risks, that's fine. But it's not an issue of trickle down economics, which is just a made up phrase to begin with and basically a campaign slogan by the left, not an actual policy.

"If you're over 40 and not a republican, you don't have a brain."

Thte saying is if you're a democrat at 40 you don't have a brain. There are plenty of reasons to not be a republican. You do have to swallow a lot of idiocies to be a democrat now. But as long as you realize you are doing it and it's just because you think that's a less bad option than the republican party, I would agree the saying even in its correct form is overbroad.

Nah if you're over 40 and a republican, you're just whipped into submission by daddy capitalism. No surprise there from the generation who's defining war was losing to charlie in the chocolate tree with a death count 8X what the generation defining war took now. Boomers aren't strong. They're weak. Whipped into submission. Doing daddy capitalism's bidding.

Imagine bragging about your day. You're the weak generation who lost a war. You're the weak generation who let the income gap get ridiculously out of hand. You're the weak generation whose leadership has guided the US away from being the greatest country in the world. You are the weak. Period. Your generation will go down in history as the worst generation of the United States.

There are the worst generation, but not sure it's because of the reasons you claim. They basically voted to promise themselves that future taxpayers would pay them a shit ton of money; more than they would be willing to pay the tax burden to support. There are lots of complaints to have about them, but that's probably the most damning. They were the first generation to be prosperous enough for long enough that they could afford to have stupid beliefs and do things like enter a war without a commitment to winning it. Not sure any of your other complaints are valid though.

Imagine thinking someone deserves to control 100 billion dollars. They are so skilled. Drop Jeff Bezos down at the shipyard and he would work circles around those unskilled laborers. He deserves, he's so awesome. Those unskilled laborers should have went to college.

As long as he is not taking your money, why do you care if Bezos has a lot of money? Him chasing state and local incentives is distasteful, but once government gets into the business of giving out incentives for those projects, that's part of the business landscape and it's hard to pass up those incentives when competitors have access to them (and arguably he has a fiduciary duty to take them, since he's a minority owner in Amazon). If you think Bezos doesn't deserve any money, that's fine. You don't have to use any amazon projects. But if other people choose to do so it's not really any of your business.

Boomers did it back in their day with a small loan from daddy and a summer job that would pay all of tuition. ****ing disconnected from reality twats.

Boomers certainly had a lot of things easier, and the people that took out massive student loans 10+ years ago have a pretty decent complaint that they were screwed with a lot of bad information about "good debt". But the people that are the biggest whiners about student debt now are people that picked expensive options for college, often getting non-marketable degrees.

You probably pay for an accountant too. Anyone who does, doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to economics. You already defer how to handle your own dollars, don't you dare give input how to handle the whole economies.

Yea, you don't know what accountants do but you think you're competent to vote for people to manage the economy? Just FYI, accountants have different roles, and certainly some basically act as financial analysts and help people/companies decide which projects to invest in, but generally having an accountant doesn't mean somebody is "defer[ring] how to handle [their] own dollars."

[dantheman4248]

If you seriously think you have identified the issue you are just simple. THere are lots of complaints about the corona related stimulus. But the reason they tried to save businesses is that they want people to stay employed. Businesses are just a conglomeration of economic arrangements and if you let them fail, there are a lot of transaction costs to just recreating those businesses after they fail. If you want to make an argument that the US should let businesses fail and that's part of capitalism and failing from a pandemic is just part of the risks, that's fine. But it's not an issue of trickle down economics, which is just a made up phrase to begin with and basically a campaign slogan by the left, not an actual policy.

Thte saying is if you're a democrat at 40 you don't have a brain. There are plenty of reasons to not be a republican. You do have to swallow a lot of idiocies to be a democrat now. But as long as you realize you are doing it and it's just because you think that's a less bad option than the republican party, I would agree the saying even in its correct form is overbroad.

There are the worst generation, but not sure it's because of the reasons you claim. They basically voted to promise themselves that future taxpayers would pay them a shit ton of money; more than they would be willing to pay the tax burden to support. There are lots of complaints to have about them, but that's probably the most damning. They were the first generation to be prosperous enough for long enough that they could afford to have stupid beliefs and do things like enter a war without a commitment to winning it. Not sure any of your other complaints are valid though.

As long as he is not taking your money, why do you care if Bezos has a lot of money? Him chasing state and local incentives is distasteful, but once government gets into the business of giving out incentives for those projects, that's part of the business landscape and it's hard to pass up those incentives when competitors have access to them (and arguably he has a fiduciary duty to take them, since he's a minority owner in Amazon). If you think Bezos doesn't deserve any money, that's fine. You don't have to use any amazon projects. But if other people choose to do so it's not really any of your business.

Boomers certainly had a lot of things easier, and the people that took out massive student loans 10+ years ago have a pretty decent complaint that they were screwed with a lot of bad information about "good debt". But the people that are the biggest whiners about student debt now are people that picked expensive options for college, often getting non-marketable degrees.

Yea, you don't know what accountants do but you think you're competent to vote for people to manage the economy? Just FYI, accountants have different roles, and certainly some basically act as financial analysts and help people/companies decide which projects to invest in, but generally having an accountant doesn't mean somebody is "defer[ring] how to handle [their] own dollars."

A lot of what I put in that post was dripping with reversed boomer arguments. (Charlie in the Chocolate Tree for example). Illustrating how stupid they sound when talking about how tough and great they were compared to today's generation. Today's generation grew up in worse economic conditions and outclasses them in their own metrics.

But to go point by point. I believe the government should serve the people and not the business. If we're bailing out the business to save the people, then cut out the middle man. Easy step.

Thank you for being someone who can see fault in both sides. I respect that.

My complaints that are invalid are the same ones that are invalid for boomers. I'll let them figure out which ones sarcasm and making fun of them.

Bezos is taking my money. My tax dollars help him. As long as business can get tax subsidies and write-offs that my dollars help fund, I will complain about it.

I'm one of the rare breeds who isn't in a "non-marketable" degree (and still has some but not near as much bad debt as it could have been), but I still give a damn about this.

The accountant bit was a subtle boomer ribbing. Your talking more to the business owner than you are to the common man. My uncle is an accountant. I know the merits of the position. I also know that it's rich to listen to someone tell you how to water your yard that pays someone else to tend to their crops.

[Extendedcab]

A lot of what I put in that post was dripping with reversed boomer arguments. (Charlie in the Chocolate Tree for example). Illustrating how stupid they sound when talking about how tough and great they were compared to today's generation. Today's generation grew up in worse economic conditions and outclasses them in their own metrics.

But to go point by point. I believe the government should serve the people and not the business. If we're bailing out the business to save the people, then cut out the middle man. Easy step.

Thank you for being someone who can see fault in both sides. I respect that.

My complaints that are invalid are the same ones that are invalid for boomers. I'll let them figure out which ones sarcasm and making fun of them.

Bezos is taking my money. My tax dollars help him. As long as business can get tax subsidies and write-offs that my dollars help fund, I will complain about it.

I'm one of the rare breeds who isn't in a "non-marketable" degree (and still has some but not near as much bad debt as it could have been), but I still give a damn about this.

The accountant bit was a subtle boomer ribbing. Your talking more to the business owner than you are to the common man. My uncle is an accountant. I know the merits of the position. I also know that it's rich to listen to someone tell you how to water your yard that pays someone else to tend to their crops.

You have no earthly idea what you are taking about. Did you live in that generation - no, but I did!! Why do you continually spew that same old self centered, pious, communist propaganda and outright lies as though it were the truth! You are talking through your Ass!! It is pure and simple dribble!

Here you are talking (typing) from an air conditioned and heated office/living space with food and drinks at your convinience and all the creature comforts of a King and you want to compare that to growing up in an earlier generation? What a pompous ass!! Not everybody grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth or in a city, some like me and most others I know in my generation (yes, a baby boomer - and DAMN PROUD of it, I know from which my help cometh) came from very humble beginnings.

Compare your situation today with:

Growing in a tar paper shack with 3 rooms, maybe 600 square feet max
Manual labor for a living - outside - dad was an electrical lineman and then an electrician (through home study course to help himself)
No running water
No bathroom - toilet, tub or shower
No central air-conditioning or heating - in southwest MS on the MS river no less
No TV
No freezer for long term food storage - refrigerator only
No 2 car family for Dad and Mom, just 1 old junky car for both parents
No fancy clothes
No fancy shoes - Nike or other popular brand at the time
No telephone - nearest phone was 4 miles down the road at a store

But we did have:

- An outhouse
- Had a keep pot (you can look that up yourself)
- A box fan mounted in the exterior wall for air movement
- Space heater for warmth in the winter - 2 in the house
- High water britches - as the year wore on and we outgrew our clothes
- Food on the table
0 - Because we had a garden for vegatables - we canned a lot
0 - Because we fished -
0 - Because we hunted for meat (deer, turkey, quail, dove, duck, geese, squirrels, rabbits and other)
0 - Because we raised chickens and pigs
Radio - that my dad built
Love in the family
Both parents
Moral compass
Christian values
Ethics

Try walking in those shoes for a mile and then see if you hold the same ignorant conclusion! Oh, wait you can't, you can't roll back time and grow up in those conditions, that ship has already sailed for you. So when those, like me or others, tell you what it was like growing up before your time, you had better get your head out of your ass and listen.

And before you ask, I knew you wouldn't, this was rhetorical, I would not trade my upbringing and the values (proven over 2000 years of history) instilled in me for anything!! My lifestyle and beliefs provide the basis of my self worth unlike you who get it from the government.

Now spew your worthless rebuttal, comrade!!

[dantheman4248]

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You have no earthly idea what you are taking about. Did you live in this generation - no, but I did!! Why do you continually spew that same old self centered, pious, capitalist propaganda and outright lies as though it were the truth! You are talking through your Ass!! It is pure and simple dribble!

Here you are talking (typing) from a self-owned air conditioned and heated office/living space with food and drinks at your convinience and all the creature comforts of a King and you want to compare that to growing up in an later generation who has already gone through 2 major economic crises and will likely never as a group be able to own land or soon even inhabit parts of it? What a pompous ass!! Hardly anybody grows up with a silver spoon in their mouth, some like me and most others I know in my generation (yes, a millennial - and DAMN PROUD of it, I know from which my help cometh) came from very humble beginnings.

Compare your situation back then with:

Growing in an apartment with 1 room, maybe 600 square feet max
Manual Labor can't even provide you a living hardly anymore
Poisoned running water (Flint Michigan, 8 years strong)
Exorbitant water bills adding to the pile of debt. (Not like you can buy land and live without it.)
Paying for central air-conditioning/heating - in southwest MS on the MS river no less where it's hard to afford luxuries
Nonstop fake news being spread (from both sides)
No freezer for long term food storage - refrigerator only <--- Got me here. Man we got freezers. So lucky.
No 2 car family for Dad and Mom, just 1 old junky car for both parents if you're lucky
No fancy clothes
No fancy shoes - Nike or other popular brand at the time
Crazy telephone bills - can't do most jobs without one and the bills are outrageous while the companies break their contract and pay pennies as penalties

But we do have:

- The rich using us as an outhouse to shit all over constantly
- Can't keep pot
- A box fan mounted in the exterior wall for air movement that we rent
- Space heaters that we rent for warmth in the winter - 2 in the house that we rent
- Food on the table
0 - Because we maxed a credit card
0 - Because we couldn't afford food this month with our bills
0 - Because we can't get a decent paying job
0 - Because we were raised by selfish pricks who hoard wealth and keep everything to themselves
iPod - that my dad paid for with his credit card debt to give us tunes to drown out our sorrows
No love in the family because the generation before us made it damn near impossible to afford to even get married
Neither parent or one parent because inevitably a boomer was a PoS or their healthcare system made it unviable for one to stay with the other and if they did when that one passed they ended up miles deep in debt
Moral compass - we care about the future
Values - we actually think that other humans are... human.
Ethics - we care about people's happiness and don't try to prevent them from enjoying life.

Try walking in those shoes for a mile and then see if you hold the same ignorant conclusion! Oh, wait you can't, you can't de age yourself and grow up in those conditions, that ship has already sailed for you. So when those, like me or others, tell you what it was like growing up after your time, you had better get your head out of your ass and listen.

And before you ask, I knew you wouldn't, this was rhetorical, I would not trade my upbringing and the values (proven over 2000 years of history) instilled in me for anything!! My lifestyle and beliefs provide the basis of my self worth unlike you who get it from daddy capitalism giving you a gold nugget.

Now spew your worthless rebuttal, mr. monopoly!!

[Gutter Cobreh]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.

"If you're over 40 and not a republican, you don't have a brain."

Nah if you're over 40 and a republican, you're just whipped into submission by daddy capitalism. No surprise there from the generation who's defining war was losing to charlie in the chocolate tree with a death count 8X what the generation defining war took now. Boomers aren't strong. They're weak. Whipped into submission. Doing daddy capitalism's bidding.

Imagine bragging about your day. You're the weak generation who lost a war. You're the weak generation who let the income gap get ridiculously out of hand. You're the weak generation whose leadership has guided the US away from being the greatest country in the world. You are the weak. Period. Your generation will go down in history as the worst generation of the United States.

Imagine thinking someone deserves to control 100 billion dollars. They are so skilled. Drop Jeff Bezos down at the shipyard and he would work circles around those unskilled laborers. He deserves, he's so awesome. Those unskilled laborers should have went to college. Boomers did it back in their day with a small loan from daddy and a summer job that would pay all of tuition. ****ing disconnected from reality twats. You probably pay for an accountant too. Anyone who does, doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to economics. You already defer how to handle your own dollars, don't you dare give input how to handle the whole economies.

You do realize that the stimulus package provides $600 a week for those unemployed. I reached out to my accountant and they informed me that this was over $2k a month, on top of what their normal distribution would have been.

Based on a report recently published, unemployed workers in MS went from 31% of their average wage to 119%.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ronavirus.html

You're an advocate of redistribution of wealth. Again, let me apologize to you that Bernie could not secure the nomination for a second time.

[dantheman4248]

You do realize that the stimulus package provides $600 a week for those unemployed. I reached out to my accountant and they informed me that this was over $2k a month, on top of what their normal distribution would have been.

Based on a report recently published, unemployed workers in MS went from 31% of their average wage to 119%.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ronavirus.html

You're an advocate of redistribution of wealth. Again, let me apologize to you that Bernie could not secure the nomination for a second time.

I fail to see what point you are making. This was a partly good move. My point is that reopening is motivated by taking that away. (Not solely motivated, but that is a contributing factor. Can't let poor people have more money than normal.)

Not even being facetious to you, cause you're at least willing to not be an imbecile about this. I seriously don't understand your point.

[Gutter Cobreh]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.

I fail to see what point you are making. This was a partly good move. My point is that reopening is motivated by taking that away. (Not solely motivated, but that is a contributing factor. Can't let poor people have more money than normal.)

Not even being facetious to you, cause you're at least willing to not be an imbecile about this. I seriously don't understand your point.

My point was that individuals are getting $2k and were a part of the stimulus package. Who recirculates it quicker is irrelevant, as the fact remains that the money for both businesses and individuals were created out of thin air anyway.

To redistribute wealth, government has to either borrow or tax. The politicians have decided to mortgage the future by borrowing.

I will add though that Bezos donated $100 million to Feeding America, and our local food bank received $400k of that donation. It's a drop in the bucket for him, but it will make a huge impact on those folks struggling for food where I live. You think that if the government had taxed Amazon and had that on hand - you think they would have allocated those funds to help those struggling with food insecurity?

[State82]

I just really want to hear his solution. I occassionaly run across Marxist Socialists and they all have the same complaint but rarely do they have a workable solution.

Well, that requires cognitive thinking and general good sense/intelligence. He is totally void of such and is a waste of keystrokes on this matter. Probably any matter actually.

[Commercecomet24]

I just really want to hear his solution. I occassionaly run across Marxist Socialists and they all have the same complaint but rarely do they have a workable solution.

That's because they don't have one.

[DownwardDawg]

Please ban this 17’n idiot from the board. And lock this political thread.

[Commercecomet24]

Please ban this 17’n idiot from the board. And lock this political thread.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DownwardDawg again.

[Turfdawg67]

Please ban this 17?n idiot from the board. And lock this political thread.

Just because I disagree with Extendedcab's preferred media outlets, I don't think he should be banned. ***

[Extendedcab]

Just because I disagree with Extendedcab's preferred media outlets, I don't think he should be banned. ***

Hopefully he was talking about danthecommunistman being banned. Otherwise Downwarddog is between 20 and 25 and lives in Moscow with his buddy and needs to be banned as well! I post 1 link and he comes unraveled like danthecommunistman does even when the post was not directed at him, it was just an FYI! That means read it and make your own opinion - assuming you can think for yourself.

[Commercecomet24]

Man do I feel fortunate! I just made the cut as Generation X'er and not a boomer! It was close but I made it in, blessed! lol

[BeardoMSU]

Man do I feel fortunate! I just made the cut as Generation X'er and not a boomer! It was close but I made it in, blessed! lol

Something only a BOOMER would say******

[Commercecomet24]

Something only a BOOMER would say******

LOL, you alright Beardo!

[Gutter Cobreh]

Man do I feel fortunate! I just made the cut as Generation X'er and not a boomer! It was close but I made it in, blessed! lol

That makes two of us Commerce!

I can't tell you how good I feel that I'm not considered a part of the worst generation ever by those egocentric posters here!!!!

[Commercecomet24]

That makes two of us Commerce!

I can't tell you how good I feel that I'm not considered a part of the worst generation ever by those egocentric posters here!!!!

High five! Whew, it was a close one but we made it, me by the skin of my teeth, one year, lol!