The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[dawgday166]

Just keep printing that money. Grandkids may end up speaking Chinese, but whatever...

Hell, it won't be our grandkids speaking Chinese it'll be hacker and dano ... If they don't already *

[dantheman4248]

Hell, it won't be our grandkids speaking Chinese it'll be hacker and dano ... If they don't already *

Don't you find it interesting that our criticisms and fears of the "other side" is pretty much the same? Chinese already have the rich in their back pocket. See: movies, nba, etc. Can't get cheap labor in US, just outsource. One of deals I liked with Trump on campaign trail was attacking this, but he's moved the needle almost none with regards to tariffing china.

But the overall point that I think you should realize is my "enemy" isn't you. It's the elite rich. It's China. It's Putin. It's those who would attack the working class which make up the back bone of the economy but don't realize it.

And trust me, ain't a ******* person on elitedawgs or any of their grandkids will ever be in the elite rich category. Best trick the elite rich ever pulled was convincing working class people they aren't poor, just temporarily embarrassed rich people. Gotta protect the rich because when it's me one day I won't want people grabbing at my billions. Smh.

[confucius say]

Anyway.

Looks like MS is including "probable" deaths now too.

As a reminder, this means that medical examiner put this on their death certificate.

As another reminder, nobody is getting money for these dead bodies that have covid listed on their death certificate. The money is only for hospitals with actual positive tests. Since these dead people did not test positive, there is no money.

New cases reported today: 397
New deaths reported today: 20 *
* 11 of the deaths reported today occurred between March 29 and April 16, and are based on death certificate investigations.

Also highest number of cases reported so far.

Scott County: 339 total cases, 1.2% of the population has tested positive

You don't have to have a positive lab confirmed test to get money for covid patients as a hospital under CARES.

ETA: below link is a good read on the CDC guidance under the CARES and how hospitals are reimbursed. It is acceptable to report deaths as covid 19 deaths without a positive test if it is likely or suspected the death was covid 19 related, even where the patient tested negative if it is suspected there was a false negative.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

[hacker]

You don't have to have a positive lab confirmed test to get money for covid patients as a hospital under CARES.

ETA: below link is a good read on the CDC guidance under the CARES and how hospitals are reimbursed. It is acceptable to report deaths as covid 19 deaths without a positive test if it is likely or suspected the death was covid 19 related, even where the patient tested negative if it is suspected there was a false negative.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/ho...9-death-count/

Which hospital is getting a check when somebody dies at home? Most of these "probable" deaths come from people dying at home.



Here's another good read on the subject:

"Are all Mississippi?s COVID-19 deaths being counted? No and here?s why."

https://www.sunherald.com/news/coron...242446196.html

Faulk is only one coroner in the state?s 82 counties. Coroners have had to mark deaths as suspected COVID-19 in cases where the deceased had not been tested for the virus.

Faulk and other county coroners have been unable to get testing kits from the state Health Department to test the deceased, they said. Faulk has made multiple telephone calls in an effort to track down tests, including to the local and state health departments.

Faulk said all four deaths he counted as suspected COVID-19 cases involved symptoms associated with the disease. He has completed 3,000 death investigations since 2012 and has never had a case where someone died at home from the flu.

[Dawg2003]

379 cases today in Mississippi. Are we hitting our peak?

[msstate7]

On the 397 new cases today, doesn't there seem to be one day a week where there a good bit more cases than the others? Do we happen to get outside testing numbers once a week or something?

[starkvegasdawg]

The way this has been handled from the beginning has been completely balls up. They did this half assed approach trying to straddle the fence of protecting the economy and slowing the spread. All they did was 17 up. They needed to do a real shut down two months ago for 2-3 weeks. Then we could probably be opening back up and getting the economy going. But all they did was destroy the economy and do next to nothing to slow the spread.

[Homedawg]

The way this has been handled from the beginning has been completely balls up. They did this half assed approach trying to straddle the fence of protecting the economy and slowing the spread. All they did was 17 up. They needed to do a real shut down two months ago for 2-3 weeks. Then we could probably be opening back up and getting the economy going. But all they did was destroy the economy and do next to nothing to slow the spread.

Oh it's slowed the spread, that's no in question. But there is zero way to lock everyone down all the time for 3 weeks. Police, healthcare, electricity people, and obviously people have to go to the grocery. Even if you limit it to that, that's not a lockdown. Italy went as far on a lockdown as possible, it didn't stop there.

[msstate7]

I have zero problem with opening it up like Sweden and just letting it burn through the population. However, I am in PPE at work and can stay home during the week. So it's unlikely I'll suffer the health consequences of opening up completely. I can watch from the window as other people get coronavirus, and we develop heard immunity. If other people want to be the sacrificial lambs, I won't stand in their way.

Let's shut down Walmarts, grocery stores, restaurants, and food processing too. Why should they be "sacrificial lambs"?

ETA... we won't. We can't. Well I think we're at the point where we have to open up for the same reason, we have to

[Dawg2003]

Let's shut down Walmarts, grocery stores, restaurants, and food processing too. Why should they be "sacrificial lambs"?

ETA... we won't. We can't. Well I think we're at the point where we have to open up for the same reason, we have to

We don't really have a choice but to open it up IMO. We need 60-70% for herd immunity, so someone's got to take the fall. I personally am not willing to roll the dice, but, if others want to, I have no problem with that.

[Liverpooldawg]

The case number isn't really the one that drives decision making. The numbers that matter are hospitalization numbers and ICU numbers. The hospitalization numbers have been trending up and show no sign of leveling off yet. The ICU numbers are steady.

[confucius say]

The case number isn't really the one that drives decision making. The numbers that matter are hospitalization numbers and ICU numbers. The hospitalization numbers have been trending up and show no sign of leveling off yet. The ICU numbers are steady.

It is interesting to me that icu numbers have not risen and ventilator use has actually decreased, all while hospitalizations have risen sharply. Does that suggest that a treatment once hospitalized is working so as to avoid icu or ventilator use?

[Commercecomet24]

It is interesting to me that icu numbers have not risen and ventilator use has actually decreased, all while hospitalizations have risen sharply. Does that suggest that a treatment once hospitalized is working so as to avoid icu or ventilator use?

Or hospitals are just admitting more people with less severe symptoms for treatment than before.

[Dawg2003]

Or hospitals are just admitting more people with less severe symptoms for treatment than before.

That's very unlikely because hospitals lose money doing that. Hospitals don't want to admit mamaw with pneumonia.

[Dawg2003]

Or hospitals are just admitting more people with less severe symptoms for treatment than before.

That's very unlikely because hospitals lose money doing that. Hospitals don't want to admit mamaw with pneumonia.

[Commercecomet24]

That's very unlikely because hospitals lose money doing that. Hospitals don't want to admit mamaw with pneumonia.

I'm talking about admitting postive covid patients with less severe symptoms than before, not just people off the street.

[Dawg2003]

I'm talking about admitting postive covid patients with less severe symptoms than before, not just people off the street.

I just don't see that happening. For one, administrators would have a fit because they are usually trying to get rid of patients. Two, you're saying a physician is falsely admitting and keeping a patient on a lockdown unit away from family. I haven't seen any of that happening in my hospital. They are trying to discharge as many COVID patients as possible, so they can get back to elective surgeries.

[Todd4State]

It is interesting to me that icu numbers have not risen and ventilator use has actually decreased, all while hospitalizations have risen sharply. Does that suggest that a treatment once hospitalized is working so as to avoid icu or ventilator use?

From what I am seeing most people- even the ones that go to the hospital don't have to be put on a vent. Most of the patients I'm seeing are either morbidly obese or elderly. I've had a couple of exceptions but the vast majority are in one of those two categories.

[msstate7]

It is interesting to me that icu numbers have not risen and ventilator use has actually decreased, all while hospitalizations have risen sharply. Does that suggest that a treatment once hospitalized is working so as to avoid icu or ventilator use?

Or (here comes the conspiracy theory) the hospital wants the 20% premium for a hospitalization. I don't wanna believe our medical people would do this though.

[confucius say]

Or hospitals are just admitting more people with less severe symptoms for treatment than before.

Possibly. Lot of hospitals were empty and laying people off