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    Quote Originally Posted by Extendedcab View Post
    You guys keep talking about loyalty to Trump. You still do not get it. It is not Trump as a person we are loyal to, but the ideology he represents.


    Individual Freedoms: Get government out of the way so individuals can do what they do best

    Right to life: Do not murder the innocent

    America First: After all he is President of the US not the world

    Freedom of Religion: Including Christians, not just Muslims

    Promote Traditional Family: Mom and Dad (If I have to explain that, then you've lost all sense of biology)

    Reduce Taxes: Self evident as to why

    Limited Government: Large government infringe on its people, mandate higher taxes and interfere with free enterprise

    Close the Border: Every sovereign country has the right and obligation to do so. Illegal immigrants drain social services meant for legal citizens

    Strong Military: Self evident in todays world - Peace through strength

    Reduce Immigration: Keeps employment high and improves salary for its citizens

    Private Healthcare: Not government run - would be a disaster

    Foreign Aid: Stop giving money to countries that don't like us

    Energy Independence: Why rely of foreign resources and support foreign nations that use that money to hurt the US?

    No Carbon Tax: Unfair taxation compared to other less developed nations

    Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Stopped appointing judges that rewrite the Constitution from the bench

    Pro Capitalism: Provides the best opportunity of living the American Dream
    **** it. I'm attacking this as a Christian.

    Individual Freedoms: "No idols before me." God don't agree with you.

    Right to life: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Both abortion and the death penalty are wrong here.

    America First: Love Thy Neighbor. God disagrees again.

    Freedom of Religion: circle back to 1.

    Promote traditional family: Why does God make abominations without genitalia or with both? Why did God reward a brother/sister marriage? What's interesting is that the traditional biblical marriage was that the man owned the woman as property. But hey that's not good for business is it. We'll leave this one as a N/A. That keeps our tally as 0.5/4 for Republicans following God.

    Reduce taxes: Greed man. Greed. Definitely not a trait God wants here. 0.5/5

    Limited government: He is the ruler above all and absolute. I'll mark this one as N/A as well.

    Close the Border: Love Thy Neighbor.

    Strong Military: Yea... no. Not Christian thinking at all.

    Reduce immigration: Love thy Neighbor

    Private Healthcare: This one is more complicated because it definitely initially falls under love thy neighbor but your intentions COULD be to help everyone better in the long run. Call it a N/A.

    Foreign Aid: Love Thy neighbor 0.5/9

    Energy Independence: Not Applicable

    No Carbon Tax: I think it falls under the branch of love thy neighbor, but I don't want you to feel too bad about this so i'll give you a wash here as well.

    Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Yep. **** the 13th, 19th, etc. amendments. It's every MAN (white, not black) has the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Stop rewriting something that was written 250 years ago. It's still applicable now. But Trump's comments from 7 years ago aren't. We're definitely marking this as Anti-Christian as hell.

    Pro Capitalism: Foster a place where it's better to not love your neighbor. Hmmmmm.

    Final tally 0.5/11 Abortions are the only thing that is decidedly Christian. Party of Christianity my ass.

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    Can't we all agree that Nancy Pelosi is a horrible, hypocritical person and call it a day?

    Now, let's all freak out on May 1st when everything is reopened and all of these people with symptoms infect the vulnerable. Yes, the economy needs to open but we need to be careful.

    Also to add..... that stupid virus somehow brought my asthma back, and I'm on a stupid inhaler. I haven't used one of these since the 80s.

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    Our first case was January 21st.

    And I don't expect him to just snap his fingers and things quickly happen... you keep taking it to two extremes. Almost like their is a spectrum here he could have had of acceptable response. (I know talking about spectrums instead of black and white can be a tough subject for some people, but it'll be alright I promise.) Him getting the ball rolling on things he waited to get the ball rolling in delayed our initial response and has compounded this issue. Again no guarantees, but him giving that much of a gap of inaction really really hurt. I don't think that he could have snapped his fingers and this would have been stopped, but he could have done a much better job of trying to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by defiantdog View Post
    Can't we all agree that Nancy Pelosi and Donald Trump are horrible, hypocritical people and call it a day?

    Now, let's all freak out on May 1st when everything is reopened and all of these people with symptoms infect the vulnerable. Yes, the economy needs to open but we need to be careful.

    Also to add..... that stupid virus somehow brought my asthma back, and I'm on a stupid inhaler. I haven't used one of these since the 80s.
    Fixed it, but I can admit that. Too many people deify trump to agree to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantheman4248 View Post
    Our first case was January 21st.

    And I don't expect him to just snap his fingers and things quickly happen... you keep taking it to two extremes. Almost like their is a spectrum here he could have had of acceptable response. (I know talking about spectrums instead of black and white can be a tough subject for some people, but it'll be alright I promise.) Him getting the ball rolling on things he waited to get the ball rolling in delayed our initial response and has compounded this issue. Again no guarantees, but him giving that much of a gap of inaction really really hurt. I don't think that he could have snapped his fingers and this would have been stopped, but he could have done a much better job of trying to.
    No ... YOU keep taking it to extremes. Could he have done some things better ... Sure. But as I've stated before ... A LOT of smart folks were giving him their opinion and he had to wade thru all that to make any decision. And some of those smart people were wrong too. And Trump has erred also. You expected perfection when it was impossible to even come close to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantheman4248 View Post
    Fixed it, but I can admit that. Too many people deify trump to agree to it.
    Definitely not a Trump fan, but I'm afraid of the alternative. I'm afraid to reopen the economy, but I'm also afraid that my friends and family will be without a job if we don't. No matter what happens..... people are going to get pissed off and lives will be ruined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgday166 View Post
    No ... YOU keep taking it to extremes. Could he have done some things better ... Sure. But as I've stated before ... A LOT of smart folks were giving him their opinion and he had to wade thru all that to make any decision. And some of those smart people were wrong too. And Trump has erred also. You expected perfection when it was impossible to even come close to that.
    No. I expected better. Trump was supposed to bring in only the best around him. You asked me what I thought he could have done better. I answered. Then it's I'm expecting perfection. No, I expect better. Not a hard concept. The dude didn't do enough to quell this. Not near enough, not quick enough. And he's undoing what was working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by defiantdog View Post
    Definitely not a Trump fan, but I'm afraid of the alternative. I'm afraid to reopen the economy, but I'm also afraid that my friends and family will be without a job if we don't. No matter what happens..... people are going to get pissed off and lives will be ruined.
    This is where I have the disconnect.

    You're afraid of them not having a job... why?

    List out some reasons why.

    And then ask yourself... can't the government subsidize these things right now? Instead of injecting money to big business... couldn't they cut out the middle trickle down man and just bailout on the personal level? We can throw 1.5 trillion into big business on a whim, but not give it to the people?

    Can y'all at least follow the logic there? Idc if you agree with it, but damn at least be able to follow it.

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    Either y'all will make it or your lungs will melt. Good luck to you all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacker View Post
    You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.
    Ha ha ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacker View Post
    It's only been 12 years man. He donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008.
    Lots of people donate to various campaigns. You know that right??

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantheman4248 View Post
    **** it. I'm attacking this as a Christian.

    Individual Freedoms: "No idols before me." God don't agree with you.

    Right to life: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Both abortion and the death penalty are wrong here.

    America First: Love Thy Neighbor. God disagrees again.

    Freedom of Religion: circle back to 1.

    Promote traditional family: Why does God make abominations without genitalia or with both? Why did God reward a brother/sister marriage? What's interesting is that the traditional biblical marriage was that the man owned the woman as property. But hey that's not good for business is it. We'll leave this one as a N/A. That keeps our tally as 0.5/4 for Republicans following God.

    Reduce taxes: Greed man. Greed. Definitely not a trait God wants here. 0.5/5

    Limited government: He is the ruler above all and absolute. I'll mark this one as N/A as well.

    Close the Border: Love Thy Neighbor.

    Strong Military: Yea... no. Not Christian thinking at all.

    Reduce immigration: Love thy Neighbor

    Private Healthcare: This one is more complicated because it definitely initially falls under love thy neighbor but your intentions COULD be to help everyone better in the long run. Call it a N/A.

    Foreign Aid: Love Thy neighbor 0.5/9

    Energy Independence: Not Applicable

    No Carbon Tax: I think it falls under the branch of love thy neighbor, but I don't want you to feel too bad about this so i'll give you a wash here as well.

    Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Yep. **** the 13th, 19th, etc. amendments. It's every MAN (white, not black) has the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Stop rewriting something that was written 250 years ago. It's still applicable now. But Trump's comments from 7 years ago aren't. We're definitely marking this as Anti-Christian as hell.

    Pro Capitalism: Foster a place where it's better to not love your neighbor. Hmmmmm.

    Final tally 0.5/11 Abortions are the only thing that is decidedly Christian. Party of Christianity my ass.
    Move to Russia and leave their thread. You've ruined hacker's good info for one.... two, clearly there's a better place for you to live. Take off

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    You should stop by for the threads when someone says the Earth is, in fact, not 6,000 years old***
    Gotta give beardo props for calling this early on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantheman4248 View Post
    This is where I have the disconnect.

    You're afraid of them not having a job... why?

    List out some reasons why.

    And then ask yourself... can't the government subsidize these things right now? Instead of injecting money to big business... couldn't they cut out the middle trickle down man and just bailout on the personal level? We can throw 1.5 trillion into big business on a whim, but not give it to the people?

    Can y'all at least follow the logic there? Idc if you agree with it, but damn at least be able to follow it.
    If you throw money at the person instead of the business, the person has no job to come back to Bc the business is gone. And wo that there is no money for the "government" to support them. The government gets its money from businesses one way or the other. Wo them, there is no business tax and therefore no personal income tax. Is that hard to understand?? Oh yeah I guess the "government" will just pay for it and fix it forever?? Damn your ignorance shows no end.
    And last time I checked the stimulus only gave 350 billion to the small business yet gave people checks in their pockets. Well.... some people. Hope you spend yours well....
    Last edited by Homedawg; 04-20-2020 at 11:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    Lots of people donate to various campaigns. You know that right??
    He donated to both parties. He's a business man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    If you throw money at the person instead of the business, the person has no job to come back to Bc the business is gone. And wo that there is no money for the "government" to support them. The government gets its money from businesses one way or the other. Wo them, there is no business tax and therefore no personal income tax. Is that hard to understand?? Oh yeah I guess the "government" will just pay for it and fix it forever?? Damn your ignorance shows no end.
    The business should have saved up for a rainy day. Sounds a lot like socialism and handouts if the government has to subsidize the business.

    If the businesses are run where they can't take a week of hiccup then they clearly are doing a poor job at running the business.

    No really the problem with that is your comment lends to the fact that somewhere wealth is being created in this cycle. 1. if wealth can just be created, then why aren't they doing that instead of begging for a socialistic bailout. 2. You're saying that the government will get the money back out of the business instead of the people? Lower income people spend way more % of their wealth than high income. That money will get directly injected into the economy. The more hands it goes through and the more at the top, the more chances for it to stop and not be reinjected.

    Without the CONSUMER there is no business and no income tax. Just look at oil to show you the true mark of this. Businesses will exist and rise up as long as there is demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantheman4248 View Post
    The business should have saved up for a rainy day. Sounds a lot like socialism and handouts if the government has to subsidize the business.

    If the businesses are run where they can't take a week of hiccup then they clearly are doing a poor job at running the business.

    No really the problem with that is your comment lends to the fact that somewhere wealth is being created in this cycle. 1. if
    wealth can just be created, then why aren't they doing that instead of begging for a socialistic bailout. 2. You're saying that the government will get the money back out of the business instead of the people? Lower income people spend way more % of their wealth than high income. That money will get directly injected into the economy. The more hands it goes through and the more at the top, the more chances for it to stop and not be reinjected.

    Without the CONSUMER there is no business and no income tax. Just look at oil to show you the true mark of this. Businesses will exist and rise up as long as there is demand.
    The businesses should have saved up for a rainy day? Hahah. Clearly clueless. And have a either have a govt job OR no job at all.
    A week of hiccup hmm I'm pretty sure we are past a week. I've been reading your shit for weeks...
    The lower percentage as you call it will spend it and will be fine. Some have more now than the ever had. Yet, our economy is about to be in the tank go figure....
    Lastly, the businesses do come from consumers. But if there are no businesses, consumers can't do crap. But you can't see the forest for the trees
    Last edited by Homedawg; 04-20-2020 at 11:31 PM.

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    This is the most political nonpolitical thread I've ever seen. But hell, I'll throw in my two cents.

    For the person that was comparing abortion and the fealty penalty...that is the most 17ed up argument I've ever seen. With the death penalty you have someone paying the price for committing one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. With abortion, you have an innocent baby being killed for no more reason than the woman decided this just wasn't a convenient time to be pregnant in 99% of the cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacker View Post
    You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.
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    It's only been 12 years man. He donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008.
    Trump was a registered Republican in the state of NY in 1987. A few years later he was an Independent. He's donated to both parties.

    I used to have a really good video saved to my Youtube favorites but it's now banned by Youtube and it's incredibly hard to find anything anymore that paints him in a good light, but here's a good one that hasn't been banned yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi60DJvh9Pc It's an interview Trump did on Larry King in 1987.

    Would like it if people at least watched the first minute or so before responding. The whole interview is great and one can see that his policies and viewpoints really haven't changed from 1987 to 2020.

    Edit: Here's a great video as well a year later - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usb0iE5WiZI
    Last edited by Matt3467; 04-21-2020 at 12:41 AM.

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    This is an amazingly well put together video on Trump! I doubt some of the people here will watch all 25 minutes but it really shows just how consistent Trump has been.

    Check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYNhzS4xkss

    Btw I don't endorse everything the content creator believes. The video happens to be very good.

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