The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[msstate7]

Moorhead did not have to work with congress or the supreme court and work within the confines of the constitution. Moorhead had an easier job!

Media says Trump didn't lock states down soon enough, so he's to blame.

Trump says he has power to unlock states, and then he's called a tyrant.

He is in a no-win situation.

[BeardoMSU]

Media says Trump didn't lock states down soon enough, so he's to blame.

Trump says he has power to unlock states, and then he's called a tyrant.

He is in a no-win situation.

It's about messaging, tone, and leadership from the top. Governors take their cue from the President, and states rely heavily on the federal government for certain types of infrastructure, especially in times such as natural disasters, pandemics, etc. For example, Tate Reeves and Ron DeSantis didn't take significant action until after Trump did the same; other Govs were more swift and preemptive in their actions.

[msstate7]

It's about messaging, tone, and leadership from the top. Governors take their cue from the President, and states rely heavily on the federal government for certain types of infrastructure, especially in times such as natural disasters, pandemics, etc. For example, Tate Reeves and Ron DeSantis didn't take significant action until after Trump did the same; other Govs were more swift and preemptive in their actions.

I'm certainly not a fan of trump's messaging at times. He throws a lot of temper tantrums for sure, but I do think he's done a good job

[BeardoMSU]

I'm certainly not a fan of trump's messaging at times. He throws a lot of temper tantrums for sure, but I do think he's done a good job

It's not just the temper tantrums. It's how he outwardly did not take this serious, and that attitude trickled down to all his sycophants, both politically, and his friends over at Fox/OANN.

https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/st...73987639705600

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/statu...11724913102848

[SheltonChoked]

Yep.

Because no one thought the USA would socially distance without people repelling....

From the WHO report in February... https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...nal-report.pdf

Achieving China?s exceptional coverage with and adherence to these containment measures has only been possible due to the deep commitment of the Chinese people to collective action in the face of this common threat. At a community level this is
reflected in the remarkable solidarity of provinces and cities in support of the most vulnerable populations and communities

Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China.

Cite: See the protests this weekend...

[confucius say]

It's about messaging, tone, and leadership from the top. Governors take their cue from the President, and states rely heavily on the federal government for certain types of infrastructure, especially in times such as natural disasters, pandemics, etc. For example, Tate Reeves and Ron DeSantis didn't take significant action until after Trump did the same; other Govs were more swift and preemptive in their actions.

This is fair. Nothing wrong with criticism for this.
But people need to understand that trump cannot dictate to the state governors what they will and will not do during these times. That's where I think hacker was misguided.
There is plenty of blame to go around here as far as handling things better, from trump to Fauci to cuomo to Pelosi etc... I think part of the problem was they, especially Fauci, were relying on The Who and other medical experts who in January were saying this is nothing to be worried about and humans are not even vulnerable.

[SheltonChoked]

And he?s done a pretty damn good job of handling this. If you disagree, name a Democrat that would have done better. Obama???? Lmfo!!!!! His nuts would have shriveled up inside his body. We may not have ever heard from him during this. Biden??? Hahahahahaba!!! Bernie?!? Shut down this ****in economy until 2030!!!!

Not that this matters to your strawman argument, but Obama (and Biden) did deal with a disease outbreak...

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ebola-response

[Dawgfan77]

Posting this again

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Why the need to post a tweet from 7 years ago and 2 years before he decided to run for president. It's very irrelevant in context to this pandemic

[SheltonChoked]

Explain how he has done nothing. I'm interested in this take.

Promised 30 million tests by end of March.
https://www.newsweek.com/white-house...illion-1495356
Just now have capacity for 150,000 a day

Promoted breaking social distancing, after the white house itself said we had to have 2 weeks of declining cases to begin going back to normal.

Has yet to use the federal government power to centraliaze and prioritize resources, left it up to individual states to get into a bidding war for supplies. https://www.forbes.com/sites/claryes.../#1edd9bfd1cde

The Advanced Medical Technology Association, which represents manufacturers of ventilators and other medical devices, wrote in a March 24 letter to FEMA that companies are facing the challenge of allocating devices to the health care providers who need them the most, as well as state and local governments.

"Some of these potential purchasers should have a higher priority than others based on the acuity of patient needs in their areas," wrote Scott Whitaker, the association?s CEO. "It is difficult for manufacturers to establish these priorities."

And new report that the Trump administration knew there was an outbreak in 2019.... and still did nothing...

TL;DR
No central coordination leading to:
Still not enough testing (due to lack of supplies)
Not enough PPE (lack of supplies),

Still not enough testing

[hacker]

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[hacker]

Why the need to post a tweet from 7 years ago and 2 years before he decided to run for president. It's very irrelevant in context to this pandemic

Why? His words only apply when he's not the leader?

[confucius say]

Promised 30 million tests by end of March.
https://www.newsweek.com/white-house...illion-1495356
Just now have capacity for 150,000 a day

Promoted breaking social distancing, after the white house itself said we had to have 2 weeks of declining cases to begin going back to normal.

Has yet to use the federal government power to centraliaze and prioritize resources, left it up to individual states to get into a bidding war for supplies. https://www.forbes.com/sites/claryes.../#1edd9bfd1cde


And new report that the Trump administration knew there was an outbreak in 2019.... and still did nothing...

TL;DR
No central coordination leading to:
Still not enough testing (due to lack of supplies)
Not enough PPE (lack of supplies),

Still not enough testing

Yea he pops off unnecessarily often.

No expert here, but there is no shortage of ventilators or hospital beds right? Only thing it seems we need to mass produce right now is antibody tests. Are we capable of that?

[Dawgfan77]

Why? His words only apply when he's not the leader?

Has your thoughts and opinions changed in 7 years?? Mine has On several issues. I do not think you can bring up a tweet from 7 years ago and relate it today.
What were you doing 7 years ago?
What was your beliefs? Have your opinions changed?
Would help me understand your thoughts
It really has no basis to bring that up other than fishing for anti trump propaganda
I mean that was your right in a free country it over the last 6 weeks we live in some socialist country

[hacker]

Yea he pops off unnecessarily often.

No expert here, but there is no shortage of ventilators or hospital beds right? Only thing it seems we need to mass produce right now is antibody tests. Are we capable of that?

We need a lot more regular tests as well

[confucius say]

Why? His words only apply when he's not the leader?

But his "leadership" is going to be touted after this as being tremendous if we get out of this with less than 100k deaths, no?

[confucius say]

We need a lot more regular tests as well

Why?

[hacker]

Has your thoughts and opinions changed in 7 years?? Mine has On several issues. I do not think you can bring up a tweet from 7 years ago and relate it today.
What were you doing 7 years ago?
What was your beliefs? Have your opinions changed?
Would help me understand your thoughts
It really has no basis to bring that up other than fishing for anti trump propaganda
I mean that was your right in a free country it over the last 6 weeks we live in some socialist country

So do you actually think his stance has changed on whether leaders are ultimately responsible?

Or are you just blindly defending him because he's on your team?

[hacker]

Why?

Antibody tests only tell you if a person has had it before, not whether they're actively infected. It doesn't help you control current infections.

We need to be able to find more mild cases so we can quarantine those people before they infect others.

South Korea, Norway, Iceland, Israel, Switzerland, etc have all had success with a mass testing strategy.

[Extendedcab]

Because no one thought the USA would socially distance without people repelling....

From the WHO report in February... https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...nal-report.pdf



Cite: See the protests this weekend...

If you are comparing the government type of China with the US, you are way off base! That statement in the WHO report is the exact reason of corruption charges being levied at the WHO (and in particular Tedros Adhanom, Director of WHO) today, their blatant regurgitating the mandates of the Chinese leadership. If you think the Chinese people are any more committed to ending COVID-19 than the American people or any other people for that matter, you are severely misguided! The statement in the WHO report is pure propaganda since the people of China do not have the freedoms we have in America and therefore do not get to choose if they move around or stay at home. The choice is already made for them by their communistic government leaders.

In America we protest at the drop of a hat, in China if they protest, they are putting their lives in grave danger.

Have you actually been to China, as a businessman when you arrive, after getting the required visa, you are assigned a Chinese handler, with you every step of the way, that tracks your every move. You do not move anywhere without your handler.

[confucius say]

Antibody tests only tell you if a person has had it before, not whether they're actively infected. It doesn't help you control current infections.

We need to be able to find more mild cases so we can quarantine those people before they infect others.

South Korea, Norway, Iceland, Israel, Switzerland, etc have all had success with a mass testing strategy.

But if you are showing symptoms sufficient to go get tested, aren't you quarantining? The people I know who have gotten negative test results were already quarantining several days before they got results and then were told to still stay quarantined even though the results were negative.

I think we'd be well served to pour our efforts into antibody testing.