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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooterpoot View Post
    It's not just UMC. Most hospitals in the state are in a similar situation. Layoffs, unpaid time for management, jobs not being filled.
    NY never even ran out of space. MS was never going to even remotely fill up. We've effectively 17'd up everything shutting down.
    Yep, this! This hospital situation is nationwide. Here's another kick in the stones, the ones in the worst shape are children's hospitals who had to prepare to treat the "overflow" of covid patients that never materialized. Many are now in danger of closing for good with losses in the billions. It's going to be a shame when children and their families can't get affordable treatments and treatments specific to pediatric health care because of this. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    Yep, this! This hospital situation is nationwide. Here's another kick in the stones, the ones in the worst shape are children's hospitals who had to prepare to treat the "overflow" of covid patients that never materialized. Many are now in danger of closing for good with losses in the billions. It's going to be a shame when children and their families can't get affordable treatments and treatments specific to pediatric health care because of this. Sad.
    Then why were Woodward and Cook at Ummc begging Tate to shut everything down? We are going to destroy more people's lives economically than we are going to have covid deaths in MS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    Then why were Woodward and Cook at Ummc begging Tate to shut everything down? We are going to destroy more people's lives economically than we are going to have covid deaths in MS.
    Good question, and I agree wholeheartedly about destroying peoples lives economically. Just look at whats happening in Pennsylvania right now. Suicide, domestic abuse, etc. have all spiked during there draconian shutdown up their and the numbers are continuing to rise.
    Last edited by Commercecomet24; 05-28-2020 at 02:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    Yep, this! This hospital situation is nationwide. Here's another kick in the stones, the ones in the worst shape are children's hospitals who had to prepare to treat the "overflow" of covid patients that never materialized. Many are now in danger of closing for good with losses in the billions. It's going to be a shame when children and their families can't get affordable treatments and treatments specific to pediatric health care because of this. Sad.
    Dude ... The kids and younger generation aren't important. What's important is keeping 80 year olds alive another 4 or 5 years. We care about Grandma and Grandpa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    Then why were Woodward and Cook at Ummc begging Tate to shut everything down? We are going to destroy more people's lives economically than we are going to have covid deaths in MS.
    Because they were fools like the others that thought this virus would fill up their hospitals and they'd get government money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgday166 View Post
    Dude ... The kids and younger generation aren't important. What's important is keeping 80 year olds alive another 4 or 5 years. We care about Grandma and Grandpa.
    You're a damn fool if you believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    Then why were Woodward and Cook at Ummc begging Tate to shut everything down? We are going to destroy more people's lives economically than we are going to have covid deaths in MS.
    And building temporary hospitals just in case they are needed. Crazy.


    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/85171...id-19-patients
    Last edited by fishwater99; 05-28-2020 at 03:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooterpoot View Post
    Because they were fools like the others that thought this virus would fill up their hospitals and they'd get government money.
    Ah...no. They tried to plan ahead for an epidemic that could have over extended their available space and resources. The only reason it didn't is because people did follow the isolation protocols that flattened the curve. This government money bullcrap people keep throwing around is both dumb and revisionist junk. Hospitals do not have the luxury of turning away people in a pandemic. They have a responsibility to secure whatever space they can and make adjustments to fight it head on, cause people could (believed at the time) were going to start to show up desperately sick in the hundreds and possibly thousands depending on the population density of the area served. Everything is not a conspiracy to get your tax dollars. Hospitals have taken huge losses to gear up for this epidemic, that was lessened due to our personal safety actions these last two-three months.

    Cooter, we all should be applauding the healthcare system for their flexibilty and hard work, especially in the northeast US that was hit particularly hard and fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwater99 View Post
    And building temporary hospitals just in case they are needed. Crazy.


    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/85171...id-19-patients
    At the time the cases were doubling every other day. What would you have them do? Sit on their ass and wait for a bunch of people to die waiting in the wait room. Come one now.
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    For serious, you guys act like we had all the answers to this thing in March. Science takes time. Known facts are amended or downright disproven as we gather new information. Actions have to be taken at the time to give us the best scenario based on known facts at that time. If I were in charge of healthcare treatment on an area as large as NYC, seeing the numbers coming in, I would have built emergency overflow areas too. History has shown how pandemics can completely overrun any healthcare system and then much more people die due to lack of space, equipment, and facilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwater99 View Post
    And building temporary hospitals just in case they are needed. Crazy.


    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/85171...id-19-patients
    That is called planning ahead based on projections. Those projections changed due to the isolation measures. Both were exactly what needed to happen. Plan for the worst and plan to avoid the worst. Both are exactly what was needed at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooterpoot View Post
    You're a damn fool if you believe that.
    I meant that sarcastically ... I think you probably knew that.

    I don't want folks to die but there are a lot larger ramifications that are and have been ignored by a lot of folks. To hear how some and maybe a good many hospitals are struggling due to shutting down everything else including kids hospitals now, non-emergency preventive type diagnostic procedures that can catch cancer early, etc. just makes me SMDH. A lot of local decisions driven by the National Clamor of 3 or 4 big states with bigger problems seriously affected the local decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
    For serious, you guys act like we had all the answers to this thing in March. Science takes time. Known facts are amended or downright disproven as we gather new information. Actions have to be taken at the time to give us the best scenario based on known facts at that time. If I were in charge of healthcare treatment on an area as large as NYC, seeing the numbers coming in, I would have built emergency overflow areas too. History has shown how pandemics can completely overrun any healthcare system and then much more people die due to lack of space, equipment, and facilities.
    I think there is some validity to this. It is hard to blame anybody too much when dealing with an unknown. But I think it is clear that mistakes were made, both by medical professionals and politicians. There was too much of a one size fits all approach taken. MS is not New York

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
    For serious, you guys act like we had all the answers to this thing in March. Science takes time. Known facts are amended or downright disproven as we gather new information. Actions have to be taken at the time to give us the best scenario based on known facts at that time. If I were in charge of healthcare treatment on an area as large as NYC, seeing the numbers coming in, I would have built emergency overflow areas too. History has shown how pandemics can completely overrun any healthcare system and then much more people die due to lack of space, equipment, and facilities.
    Don't remember who it was, but early in this thread, someone posted how if the distancing measures, lock downs, etc. worked, people would look back and bitch about how unnecessary it all was....but it only seems that way precisely because the measures worked. A fairly clairvoyant post, that was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
    That is called planning ahead based on projections. Those projections changed due to the isolation measures. Both were exactly what needed to happen. Plan for the worst and plan to avoid the worst. Both are exactly what was needed at the time.
    Projections based on false models and bad data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    Don't remember who it was, but early in this thread, someone posted how if the distancing measures, lock downs, etc. worked, people would look back and bitch about how unnecessary it all was....but it only seems that way precisely because the measures worked. A fairly clairvoyant post, that was.
    They don't seem unnecessary because they worked, they were unnecessary because we now know the virus isn't nearly as bad as thought. Some of that is very forgiveable. We had a lack of information and played dthings cautiously. Some of that is people just made bad decisions. New York basically 17ed the whole country by handling everything so poorly. Don't send sick patients into nursing homes, don't cut the public transit capacity in half so that people are forced onto fewer trains, and actually clean the buses and subway cars daily from the beginning, and maybe New York's numbers don't look so bad that everybody else freaks out.

    Things are presumably much better now than they would have been as far as the spread of the virus and number of deaths (obviously not as far as the economy and deaths and hardship related to that). But we probably haven't moved the needle that much as far as limiting deaths, except that nwo that we know that the risk is much less for the non-vulnerable population, maybe we can do a better job of protecting nursing home residents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    Don't remember who it was, but early in this thread, someone posted how if the distancing measures, lock downs, etc. worked, people would look back and bitch about how unnecessary it all was....but it only seems that way precisely because the measures worked. A fairly clairvoyant post, that was.
    Did they? I don't think they did. Everyone will get this stuff at some point no matter what unless a vaccine knocks it out first. Hospitals aren't going to be overrun and never were. Millions are financially ruined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooterpoot View Post
    Did they? I don't think they did. Everyone will get this stuff at some point no matter what unless a vaccine knocks it out first. Hospitals aren't going to be overrun and never were. Millions are financially ruined.
    And you knew this (hospitals weren't going to be overrun) how? There's an awful lot of people that would've loved to know this when you apparently did.
    There's someone in my head but its not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooterpoot View Post
    Did they? I don't think they did. Everyone will get this stuff at some point no matter what unless a vaccine knocks it out first. Hospitals aren't going to be overrun and never were. Millions are financially ruined.
    You're looking at capacity, but you're leaving out the key point of supplies!

    How much worse would it have been had hospitals been running without a public quarantine??? As bad as it was (and it was bad), I don't even want to imagine what that colossal shitshow would have been like.

    Elective surgeries will return and at some point in the near future the feds will help healthcare again and infuse some cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joebob View Post
    And you knew this (hospitals weren't going to be overrun) how? There's an awful lot of people that would've loved to know this when you apparently did.
    I think it's funny how left leaning people can say this now, and right leaning people defend trump for the same reasons when people blast him for not being a fortune teller and taking action earlier.

    Truth is, there was a lot of uncertainty and a lot of bad decisions made, mostly by the supposed medical expert community.

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