The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[Johnson85]

I don't take this personal and enjoy the dialogue. My take is until a kid turns 18, it's up to the parents since they are considered a minor. You can't vote or enlist in the military without parental permission until you're 18, yet we want to give them the ability to make these decisions. Hell, at that age I thought I was invincible. All the examples you provide should be done with parental input.

I agree with this. If parents want to put their kids on lock downs, that's the role they're actually supposed to play.

You can't do anything sports related these days without signing COVID waivers. Why is that? It's to protect the entity sanctioning those events. I think my view is pretty global regarding this. With all due respect, this topic appears to be hitting home for you for whatever reason (but I could be completely off base). Irregardless, having different opinions isn't always a negative.

It's actually not hitting close to me. We haven't had any negative financial impacts. Schools closing were certainly bad for our kids like they were for most kids and they were starting to show some wear around the edges from the social distancing (although I'm not sure how much was from them missing their friends versus picking up on it wearing on us), but they were at I would guess as easy an age as it could be as far as not really missing out on stuff that would make lasting impressions on them.

I would be handling it very poorly if it were hitting us particularly hard just because so many of the negative impacts are needlessly self-inflicted. And the panic and poor logic and risk assessments would be much more forgivable if there wasn't so much bad faith and dishonesty involved.

[Liverpooldawg]

I don't think it's their fault. The WHO, CDC, Fauci, Birx are all over the map on things. No one is on same page. Facui has been caught without mask. When he is on camera he has it on. When off he does not. I have seen the photos. One says your ok outside but stay six feet apart but no mask. One says if outside wear mask and stay six feet about. That's just one example. Trump don't wear mask. Biden will wear a mask up to the podium to speak,then he takes it off to speak, when he is done he just walks away and leaves his mask in his pocket. I have been to LA, TX, NM, AZ, UT, CO, WY, OK in past three weeks. 1 out of 30 might have a mask. I go to the gym five days a week. It is packed. No one is wearing mask. They keep changing things and people are starting to call it all political bullshit. When you add in all the other bull shit you read or hear from the news, plus being shut down for so long, people are just tired of it and damn the torpedo let's move on. If this was not an election year, this whole virus thing would have been handle differently. We are a free people and we want to be free to live our lives. I am not scared, I am not wearing a mask, I am living my life. I wash my hands, I try to stay six feet away, if I have to sneeze or cough I walk as far away from anyone as possible cover my face with arm so it doesn't spray. My vulnerably family members are isolated.
.Call me what you want, I don't give a shit but I suspect there are a larger portion of Americans who feel like me that don't.

I am not going off on you. Please don't take it that way.

The reason is it IS political BS, but not in the way you implied. The politics is all on the side of not wearing masks and being as normal as you can be. The science is not saying that. It's people like Trump and Reeves (I voted for both) who are mixing yup the message.

[msstate7]

The actual quote was a century.

https://www.mphonline.org/worst-pandemics-in-history/

I really don't care... I got his point. I just thought the quote was ridiculous, and it fed into the fear porn.

[Jack Lambert]

The reason is it IS political BS, but not in the way you implied. The politics is all on the side of not wearing masks and being as normal as you can be. The science is not saying that. It's people like Trump and Reeves (I voted for both) who are mixing yup the message.

It is what I say it is. Both Birx and Fauci say different things. Fauci changes what he say every other time he is in front of the camera. They all making decision based on politics and definitely the media is making this all politics. By the way six months ago on the old politic board I started a thread about this virus before it reached the united states should we be worried and you made a long post that I should not.

[Johnson85]

The reason is it IS political BS, but not in the way you implied. The politics is all on the side of not wearing masks and being as normal as you can be. The science is not saying that. It's people like Trump and Reeves (I voted for both) who are mixing yup the message.

Trump you can blame for mixing up the message. I don't think you can blame Reeves except he caved to political pressure and did some stupid stuff, like lock down before it was necessary and close beaches and lakes.

The press is awful and a lot of our governors are awful (issuing executive orders prohibiting the use of some medicines is a gross abuse of power and stupid) and they are mostly all hypocrites and not following the advice they are claiming to believe is vital for the rest of the country to follow. We have a shitty political class and credentialed class. If they want people to act like they aren't shitty, they need to not be shitty for a while and wait for people to notice. Don't think there is a shortcut around that.

[hacker]

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[yjnkdawg]

It was a joke.

It wasn't a joke. You took a direct stab at CC. If you had just wanted to take a stab at Dr. Dobbs then you would never have referenced CC. It's easy to call the shots from a message board, of what somebody did, or didn't do because you don't have to face the stress and reality of making real life health decisions that affect many many people (like a whole state), as some are faced with. Ever since you and your Corona Bro came in here both of you have wanted to be the smartest person in the room and get all the accolades. I saw that not long after you both came in here. Talking down to people and making a joke of what somebody said or trying to prove them wrong, if they didn't agree with your agenda, was your trademark, and apparently still is. I agree with what KO and FISHDAWG's advice was, but I highly doubt you will take it. CC knows more than you or your bro on what is going on in the real life Corona world, and didn't use statistics, twitter or googling to fit an agenda. If you didn't comprehend what CC actually meant then I can't help you with reading comprehension. This thread turned into crap, has been a joke, and has basically been an agenda and a "look at me" driven thread shortly after you both arrived. If people can't see that, then I can't help them either.

[Liverpooldawg]

Trump you can blame for mixing up the message. I don't think you can blame Reeves except he caved to political pressure and did some stupid stuff, like lock down before it was necessary and close beaches and lakes.

The press is awful and a lot of our governors are awful (issuing executive orders prohibiting the use of some medicines is a gross abuse of power and stupid) and they are mostly all hypocrites and not following the advice they are claiming to believe is vital for the rest of the country to follow. We have a shitty political class and credentialed class. If they want people to act like they aren't shitty, they need to not be shitty for a while and wait for people to notice. Don't think there is a shortcut around that.

The only thing I fault Reeves for is not issuing a mask order. He is a good little sheep.

[Dawgology]

This virus is not the worst pandemic in history....it's not even the worst pandemic in the past century...it's not even the worst pandemic in the past 50 years.

Hong Kong Flu killed 1 million+ people between 1968-1970
Asian Flu killed 1.1 million+ people between 1957-1958
The HIV/AIDS epidemic has killed over 35 million people since 1981

In fact, in the list of 20+ pandemic/virus associated events thoughout history it falls in the lower tier and that is with connectivity throughout the world unlike any time in history.

This isn't to downplay the danger associated to the virus it is to bring some perspective to what is happening right now. You can literally wear a cloth mask and make this thing pretty much go away over about a period of 3 months....and we can't even do that...

[hacker]

It wasn't a joke. You took a direct stab at CC. If you had just wanted to take a stab at Dr. Dobbs then you would never have referenced CC. It's easy to call the shots from a message board, of what somebody did, or didn't do because you don't have to face the stress and reality of making real life health decisions that affect many many people (like a whole state), as some are faced with. Ever since you and your Corona Bro came in here both of you have wanted to be the smartest person in the room and get all the accolades. I saw that not long after you both came in here. Talking down to people and making a joke of what somebody said or trying to prove them wrong, if they didn't agree with your agenda, was your trademark, and apparently still is. I agree with what KO and FISHDAWG's advice was, but I highly doubt you will take it. CC knows more than you or your bro on what is going on in the real life Corona world, and didn't use statistics, twitter or googling to fit an agenda. If you didn't comprehend what CC actually meant then I can't help you with reading comprehension. This thread turned into crap, has been a joke, and has basically been an agenda and a "look at me" driven thread shortly after you both arrived. If people can't see that, then I can't help them either.

It literally was a lighthearted joke. Maybe it would've been better worded as something like "now we know commerce doesn't know Dr. Dobbs." Is that still an asshole thing to say? I mean, I believe I've seen a lot worse directed at me and others

[Liverpooldawg]

It is what I say it is. Both Birx and Fauci say different things. Fauci changes what he say every other time he is in front of the camera. They all making decision based on politics and definitely the media is making this all politics. By the way six months ago on the old politic board I started a thread about this virus before it reached the united states should we be worried and you made a long post that I should not.

Data changes. Y'all don't get how this works STILL. This isn't an off the shelf virus that we know everything about how it will act. People like to compare it to the flu but it's not the same. With flu the new ones are still flu. We have a pretty good idea how they will act because they are still flu. This one hasn't acted much like even the other corona viruses. It's all new. As we learn more the message will change. It's going to keep changing because we still don't really know much about it. A lot of the problem early on is that China and the WHO downplayed it big time to begin with. Remember SIX MONTHS ago when they said there had to be close prolonged contact with a symptomatic person to catch it? You don't worry about those too much. They are easy to trace and stop. China has done it many times. It turns out that that initial public info was not correct. Anybody who is still saying the same thing they said back then based on the data that was presented as correct back then is stupid.

[msstate7]

Yeah, hacker didn't do anything most of the rest do too. Hacker just happened to do it to the nicest guy here, so it rubbed some wrong.

[Jack Lambert]

Data changes. Y'all don't get how this works STILL. This isn't an off the shelf virus that we know everything about how it will act. People like to compare it to the flu but it's not the same. With flu the new ones are still flu. We have a pretty good idea how they will act because they are still flu. This one hasn't acted much like even the other corona viruses. It's all new. As we learn more the message will change. It's going to keep changing because we still don't really know much about it. A lot of the problem early on is that China and the WHO downplayed it big time to begin with. Remember SIX MONTHS ago when they said there had to be close prolonged contact with a symptomatic person to catch it? You don't worry about those too much. They are easy to trace and stop. China has done it many times. It turns out that that initial public info was not correct. Anybody who is still saying the same thing they said back then based on the data that was presented as correct back then is stupid.

I agree on a lot of that. I was really just busting your balls for fun. I apologize if you thought I was being serious.

[Liverpooldawg]

This virus is not the worst pandemic in history....it's not even the worst pandemic in the past century...it's not even the worst pandemic in the past 50 years.

Hong Kong Flu killed 1 million+ people between 1968-1970
Asian Flu killed 1.1 million+ people between 1957-1958
The HIV/AIDS epidemic has killed over 35 million people since 1981

In fact, in the list of 20+ pandemic/virus associated events thoughout history it falls in the lower tier and that is with connectivity throughout the world unlike any time in history.

This isn't to downplay the danger associated to the virus it is to bring some perspective to what is happening right now. You can literally wear a cloth mask and make this thing pretty much go away over about a period of 3 months....and we can't even do that...

Dobbs didn't say history. As for your others, in the flu examples you are using estimated figures for the entire pandemic. We are six months into this one. For AIDS, that's nearly 40 years. I agree on the masks. We have a lot of very stupid people right now, VERY stupid. Our President, who I voted for, is the worst. He could set an example, but he refuses to do so for political reasons. It's insane.

[yjnkdawg]

It literally was a lighthearted joke. Maybe it would've been better worded as something like "now we know commerce doesn't know Dr. Dobbs." Is that still an asshole thing to say? I mean, I believe I've seen a lot worse directed at me and others

A lighthearted joke? Really? It would have been better worded if you left CC out of the equation altogether. He is no longer here to defend himself. So why do you need to include him in your so-called joke? To make fun of what you thought his position was concerning the virus? On the other comments being a lot worse to you and others. like I said I think this thread turned into crap.

[StateDawg44]

Data changes. Y'all don't get how this works STILL. This isn't an off the shelf virus that we know everything about how it will act. People like to compare it to the flu but it's not the same. With flu the new ones are still flu. We have a pretty good idea how they will act because they are still flu. This one hasn't acted much like even the other corona viruses. It's all new. As we learn more the message will change. It's going to keep changing because we still don't really know much about it. A lot of the problem early on is that China and the WHO downplayed it big time to begin with. Remember SIX MONTHS ago when they said there had to be close prolonged contact with a symptomatic person to catch it? You don't worry about those too much. They are easy to trace and stop. China has done it many times. It turns out that that initial public info was not correct. Anybody who is still saying the same thing they said back then based on the data that was presented as correct back then is stupid.

You don't say?**

Yet, in Feb. & March many of us were saying no one knows anything about this and it's too early to be casting out speculation as fact (fear mongering) we were the ones being ridiculed as dumb.

It's all just how you want to spin this shit at this point if you have an agenda.

[Turfdawg67]

A lighthearted joke? Really? It would have been better worded if you left CC out of the equation altogether. He is no longer here to defend himself. So why do you need to include him in your so-called joke? To make fun of what you thought his position was concerning the virus? On the other comments being a lot worse to you and others. like I said I think this thread turned into crap.

Yes really. Y'all are piling on because you don't like Hacker's perceived politics, period. He and CC were going back and forth on Covid-19 and people freaking out. Dobbs is pretty much freaking out, so Hacker jokingly said CC should call him. Ooooh... so mean.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I'm not sure if there are still funds available or not, but at one point hospitals were getting government money for covid patients. If they still are, that could bridge the gap.

I believe (not 100%) that health systems had a couple options - (1) Cares Act and/or PPP loan and a advancement on their Medicare payments. The PPP loans wouldn't have to be paid back if they maintain their staffing levels. The Medicare payments are a bit of a catch 22, since the health system would be reimbursed now at a rate higher than normal - BUT the government offsets that later by reducing the reimbursement and recouping their dollars.

I think there is also a premium for treating COVID patients (20% is what I've seen), but none of the above offsets the loss of elective surgery revenues.

If the cancellation of electives happens where you live and the government fails to step in to bridge the gap, it is going to demolish your local hospital.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Yeah, hacker didn't do anything most of the rest do too. Hacker just happened to do it to the nicest guy here, so it rubbed some wrong.

This is true! The joke should have been directed at Dawgfan77. CC simply corroborated/supported Dawg's posts in his typical positive posting style.

Yes really. Y'all are piling on because you don't like Hacker's perceived politics, period. He and CC were going back and forth on Covid-19 and people freaking out. Dobbs is pretty much freaking out, so Hacker jokingly said CC should call him. Ooooh... so mean.

It is my belief that some that had become dismissive are now the ones starting to pay closer attention because the virus is getting closer to their daily lives. All Hacker has tried to do (from my viewpoint) during all of this is simply point out the probability that this would happen. Each time he did so, he was attacked because he wasn't being positive enough - which itself is nonsense.

As Liverpool has pointed out with his last few posts today, there is still a lot of misinformation out there. Blame the government, the media, or whomever you'd like but the facts remain that this is considered a "novel" virus - which means it's new. Fauci was against masks initially because there were not enough in this country for everyone to have one and he can also be fired by the POTUS. As we've seen this administration isn't to keen on keeping people around that disagree with their stance on issues.

[confucius say]

It is hard to say it is not political on both sides Liverpool. Youve pointed out the right. But how can the left not condemn the millions of people protesting a month ago shouting and hollering and at the same time a liberal governor bans singing and chanting in churches (even while wearing a mask)? That is weighing the importance of protesting for a cause vs worshipping and deciding one is important enough to allow and one is not. That is as political as it gets.
The virus is a real threat to a portion of our population, but it is also political on both sides.

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