The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[Liverpooldawg]

A note on the Italian death rate. They are not testing anyone under 30 and haven't been for some time.

[BeardoMSU]

Delaware, Ohio, Louisiana, and now Michigan have issued stay at home orders since yesterday, basically shutting down the entire economy. California, NY, Pennsylvania did the same last week. I imagine ours is coming soon.

Wonder how many of those states, like Michigan, will allow for large group exceptions (such as church)...

[Liverpooldawg]

It’s time to kill this entire thread. It’s not helping anything.

Yep.

[hacker]

That number DOES include outside labs. It specifically states that on the website.

Where? I see:

"Total individuals tested for COVID-19: 1,392

As of March 22, 2020. Includes testing by the MSDH Public Health Laboratory only."

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

What about Spain? (Serious question, I honestly have no idea.)

Their numbers are rapidly approaching Italy's.

All my flu searches on Spain pull up the Spanish flu, so who knows. Maybe someone can find something... I wanna know too

If the reason Italy spiraled out of control is due to the healthcare system being overwhelmed, then I'd say Spain could already be getting to that point as well. Their critical care capacity is even smaller than Italy's

I've already posted this picture a few times but here it is again:


And a wikipedia link for more charts to play around with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._hospital_beds

Interestingly, Germany's >65 population % is right behind Italy's (23% vs 21%), yet their mortality is still only at 0.4% this week. I don't know what measures Germany has taken besides pretty vigorous testing early on, but to me, that lends more support to critical care capacity and not overwhelming it being the key between a good response a bad response. Luckily for us, I assume that means things have to get much worse here than they did in Italy before it reaches that point for us, since we have 3x the capacity before we're overwhelmed. It would probably be more effective to look at critical care capacity per capita by state considering the size of the US, but a quick google search didn't yield anything for me.

[StateDawg44]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ercise-in-2017

This doesn't say they were in the process of proactively preparing supplies and Trump's administration brought it to a halt. Just that they warned this could happen. Well no shit. That's no different than what I learned in history classes when talking about the Spanish flu and basic common sense. That is what a pandemic is.

That doesn't mean anything. Obviously a pandemic could happen in the future. Just like another will happen after this one at some point. So all that article says is the previous administration just passed the buck to the next one. Just like GWB did to Obama. See how that works?

[ZedFedder]

Be in prayer for David Johnson of the Ole Miss 247 site. He tested positive and is in the hospital.

[KOdawg1]

Be in prayer for David Johnson of the Ole Miss 247 site. He tested positive and is in the hospital.

I saw that. As far as OM people go, David's a good guy. Prayers for him and his family.

[Extendedcab]

I refuse to live in fear of walking on lava barefoot when I could just walk on the bridge above it wearing shoes. High five man. We're both badasses.

There is fear and panic (buying obscene amounts of toilet paper) which is stupid. There is being brazenly courageous (ignoring everything despite blatant obvious to the contrary and doing it your way because you're a manly man.) which is stupid.

There's a gray area in between we should all be operating. Wash your hands and protect your loved ones at risk. Don't be ashamed to wear a mask / gloves in public. (Please understand how to properly use gloves if you do. Don't just believe wearing gloves all the time solves it.)

This disease has killed more Italians than Americans that died in 9/11. We responded to that pretty seriously even though your chances of dying in an act of terrorism are lower than all the things you listed.

No one is saying to be a hermit. All I'm saying is we botched this and now there is no redeeming qualities about this presidency as the proverbial house of cards that was our economy built under Trump cane crashing down. By May we're not going to have anything positive to show for his presidency. And think, he could have been 100X more proactive and possibly prevented the incoming recession.

Also I really don't get why wanting poor people to have a basic income and the rich to be taxed more is such a point of contentious debate in Mississippi. That shit doesn't hurt hardly anyone in this state. Sorry I care more about people having the ability to live under a roof and feed their kids over two men kissing. If that makes me "too left-wing" for you, look in the damn mirror and get your priorities straight.

Ahhh, now your true motive is revealed - it is political, you are a socialist and believe the government is the source of all goods and services. Trump, being a capitalist and a believer in a free market and individual freedoms where a man/woman can achieve whatever they put their minds and efforts to, you hate him and ridicule him regardless of what he does. It is better to teach a man how to fish than to perpetually give him a fish - except for short period of time through a particular hardship - for the rest of their life and the lives of their kids and grand kids to boot. Look at history and see that welfare, other than as a temporary pick me up, is a total failure as we have multi-generational welfare recipients and they have no clue how to get out of this situation. Part of our government, and you, don't want them to get out - it is all about the vote and power - sell the US down the drain. You are taking away the self worth of a person and telling them they are nothing but trash not worthy of thinking and making a living based on their own merits. This is nothing more than redistribution of wealth - a socialist/communist agenda.

Do not tell me it is because they are poor that they can not learn or get out of poverty. I was born in southwest Mississippi in a 3 room tar paper shack on the Mississippi river. We had no running water in the house except for the kitchen sink that had water from a rain barrel. We had no bathroom, but only an outhouse abut 60 yards behind the house and a keep pot in the bedroom in case you had to go during the night. I took a bath on the from porch in a number 3 wash tub.

How did I get out of poverty? It is because my parents rode my ass every day and told me I WAS going to college and I WAS going to chose a major that society paid well and by the grace of God I did. They made me study and they instilled in me a sense of discipline and a do not take no for an answer attitude. It has served me well. I became an electrical engineer and have had a wonderful career in technology - computer oriented. Government was not the answer, parents are! Everybody does not have to be an engineer, but they can elevate themselves to something that gives them a level of self respect and a means to EARN a living! And no, I did not go to private school, but to the same public school everybody else goes to.

Why do you want to take that opportunity, and responsibility, away from those on welfare today?

If you think socialism is so GREAT, then go live in Venezuela or Russia and see what that form of government truly means. You will not like it!

You are a piece of work with your elitist attitude. Take it somewhere else. Our founding fathers and those who have died defending our freedoms would roll over in their graves hearing the crap you are postering.

[hacker]

1800 people attend church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.brproud.com/health/coron...d-19-outbreak/

[Dawgology]

1800 people attend church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.brproud.com/health/coron...d-19-outbreak/

SMH....

[hacker]

If the reason Italy spiraled out of control is due to the healthcare system being overwhelmed, then I'd say Spain could already be getting to that point as well. Their critical care capacity is even smaller than Italy's

Interestingly, Germany's >65 population % is right behind Italy's (23% vs 21%), yet their mortality is still only at 0.4% this week. I don't know what measures Germany has taken besides pretty vigorous testing early on, but to me, that lends more support to critical care capacity and not overwhelming it being the key between a good response a bad response. Luckily for us, I assume that means things have to get much worse here than they did in Italy before it reaches that point for us, since we have 3x the capacity before we're overwhelmed. It would probably be more effective to look at critical care capacity per capita by state considering the size of the US, but a quick google search didn't yield anything for me.

Good post, I definitely believe the fatality rate is based on the quality of care patients receive. It's not just about hospital beds either. Doctors and nurses getting infected, ratio of patients to doctors/nurses, fatigue, etc.

[defiantdog]

1800 people attend church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.brproud.com/health/coron...d-19-outbreak/

Natural selection

[deadheaddawg]

1800 people attend church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.brproud.com/health/coron...d-19-outbreak/

So stupid.

[StateDawg44]

Good post, I definitely believe the fatality rate is based on the quality of care patients receive. It's not just about hospital beds either. Doctors and nurses getting infected, ratio of patients to doctors/nurses, fatigue, etc.

How do you measure the fatality rate when there are so many people who flat out get turned down testing and told to go home?

We don't even have a constant on infected.

[Maverick]

I smell what y'all are stepping in and I can agree with that but as stated many times over and over again Americans as a whole down play everything until it hits home for themselves. A prime example of this is spring breakers on the Florida beach long after the shit had already hit the fan. Again, they banned travel to and from China early on.... If that is the only issue you have I'm not seeing where it changes much. Were they not criticized for banning travel to and from China? Now you think they should have shut down travel all over the world? The WHO didn't even declare it a pandemic until March 11th and that was just 12 days ago.

The rest of the crap about checks and all that bull is just politics, that doesn't change the outcome of the virus. Pass the damn law and get Americans some money and that goes for BOTH sides. We have a bunch of whinny baby kids running America who can't work with each other. Both sides need to cut the shit.

Again, who really thought it was going to come to the point it's at? There's little comments the Doctor has made that lead me to believe there is some truth to the fact that China down played this. It sounds like they wouldn't let us help, said everything was under control, and we didn't get to see what was going on early.

It's easy to look back in hindsight and say what should or shouldn't have been done but it also looks like our previous policies and procedures were not well equipped for something of this magnitude. That was only magnified if it's true that China did in fact do what I stated above.

[hacker]

How do you measure the fatality rate when there are so many people who flat out get turned down testing and told to go home?

We don't even have a constant on infected.

I don't think the % is that important. It's all over the place in different countries and we don't really know why. We can use the % to try to figure out how many people are going to die, but ultimately, we aren't going to know until this is over.

The total number of deaths is what's important. My point was more "how many people will die is based on quality of care they receive"

[dantheman4248]

Ahhh, now your true motive is revealed - it is political, you are a socialist and believe the government is the source of all goods and services. Trump, being a capitalist and a believer in a free market and individual freedoms where a man/woman can achieve whatever they put their minds and efforts to, you hate him and ridicule him regardless of what he does. It is better to teach a man how to fish than to perpetually give him a fish - except for short period of time through a particular hardship - for the rest of their life and the lives of their kids and grand kids to boot. Look at history and see that welfare, other than as a temporary pick me up, is a total failure as we have multi-generational welfare recipients and they have no clue how to get out of this situation. Part of our government, and you, don't want them to get out - it is all about the vote and power - sell the US down the drain. You are taking away the self worth of a person and telling them they are nothing but trash not worthy of thinking and making a living based on their own merits. This is nothing more than redistribution of wealth - a socialist/communist agenda.

Do not tell me it is because they are poor that they can not learn or get out of poverty. I was born in southwest Mississippi in a 3 room tar paper shack on the Mississippi river. We had no running water in the house except for the kitchen sink that had water from a rain barrel. We had no bathroom, but only an outhouse abut 60 yards behind the house and a keep pot in the bedroom in case you had to go during the night. I took a bath on the from porch in a number 3 wash tub.

How did I get out of poverty? It is because my parents rode my ass every day and told me I WAS going to college and I WAS going to chose a major that society paid well and by the grace of God I did. They made me study and they instilled in me a sense of discipline and a do not take no for an answer attitude. It has served me well. I became an electrical engineer and have had a wonderful career in technology - computer oriented. Government was not the answer, parents are! Everybody does not have to be an engineer, but they can elevate themselves to something that gives them a level of self respect and a means to EARN a living! And no, I did not go to private school, but to the same public school everybody else goes to.

Why do you want to take that opportunity, and responsibility, away from those on welfare today?

If you think socialism is so GREAT, then go live in Venezuela or Russia and see what that form of government truly means. You will not like it!

You are a piece of work with your elitist attitude. Take it somewhere else. Our founding fathers and those who have died defending our freedoms would roll over in their graves hearing the crap you are postering.

I got out of poverty much the same way, bud. My parents filed bankruptcy while I was in high school, but now I've got multiple engineering degrees and a recession/pandemic proof job. Being someone who battled out of poverty and dealt with those hardships, do you not want people to NOT have to deal with that? To not have their kids be embarrassed to ask for money to go to a movie? Idk man, I got myself in a steady place. I'm happy with where I'm personally at.

I don't want full on communism because it never works. (see: venezuela and russia and every other instance in history.) Its problem isn't far too different than what we have now. That the ruling class (in capitalism, the elite rich) controls everything and they are corrupt.

But why can't we have similar universal healthcare to Canada at least. No one is saying be ridiculously drastic. I just don't want poor people to have to go through what I went through. There's no perfect cure-all, but you can't tell me there's not something better than what we're doing.

So what if there are people who don't want to help themselves or "can't get out of this situation." My goal isn't that. My goal is to eliminate that situation altogether. With the advances we've made in automation, there's no need for every american to work 40 backbreaking hours every week. You certainly could if you wanted, but society is heading to a place we've never been where we don't need humans to do everything.

[StateDawg44]

I don't think the % is that important. It's all over the place in different countries and we don't really know why. We can use the % to try to figure out how many people are going to die, but ultimately, we aren't going to know until this is over.

The total number of deaths is what's important. My point was more "how many people will die is based on quality of care they receive"

Then how do you rely so heavily on the stats you post.

I'm honestly not trying to flame you. I'm trying to understand the reasoning of the daily barrage of graphs and stats. Especially when you prop up your posts using them.

[StateDawg44]

I got out of poverty much the same way, bud. My parents filed bankruptcy while I was in high school, but now I've got multiple engineering degrees and a recession/pandemic proof job. Being someone who battled out of poverty and dealt with those hardships, do you not want people to NOT have to deal with that? To not have their kids be embarrassed to ask for money to go to a movie? Idk man, I got myself in a steady place. I'm happy with where I'm personally at.

I don't want full on communism because it never works. (see: venezuela and russia and every other instance in history.) Its problem isn't far too different than what we have now. That the ruling class (in capitalism, the elite rich) controls everything and they are corrupt.

But why can't we have similar universal healthcare to Canada at least. No one is saying be ridiculously drastic. I just don't want poor people to have to go through what I went through. There's no perfect cure-all, but you can't tell me there's not something better than what we're doing.

So what if there are people who don't want to help themselves or "can't get out of this situation." My goal isn't that. My goal is to eliminate that situation altogether. With the advances we've made in automation, there's no need for every american to work 40 backbreaking hours every week. You certainly could if you wanted, but society is heading to a place we've never been where we don't need humans to do everything.

Is the bolded a serious question? Hahaha what a joke.


Universal healthcare like Canada??? So we have an expiration date on helathcare and be told sorry, someone else is more important?

Do you not see how contradictory this is and not to mention how polar opposite and white people problems the movie question is. Gracious.