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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    But the thing is it's not a false narrative (even Fauci has said he wishes the team was in place), he learned, he put a team in place, he left that for every successive president, I'm sure trump was briefed on pandemic responses in the transition just like happens with every transition, and he decided it wasn't a real threat and worth the $$, so he cut it because somehow we've been at a point where "no government spending and tax cuts" constitutes a valid political position and receives praise. It shows no critical thinking at all because folks just wanna cut shit without knowing what that actually entails. I hope this ordeal wakes people up that parrot those lines as their politics.

    The CDC handles studying and researching the virus itself, treatments and vaccines, not the logistics of ramping up emergency testing, emergency hospitals, supply chains for basic healthcare needs like masks and gloves, etc. we are doing it on the fly now and with a hodgepodge of plans of various effectiveness in different states that's going to be a problem in the short term (long term when things are stabilized, more localized plans make sense, but we are months from that). Fema handles natural disasters. The logistics handling a hurricane or earthquake aftermath ain't like handling a pandemic. So kindly stop peddling you "false narrative" false narrative about there being no loss of capabilities by cutting the team in charge of planning for and ensuring our capabilities. Of course they wouldn't have "prevented" anything. They would probably make some mistakes too, but it's better than what we have now where all we've done is make mistakes.
    He did the same thing as the two presidents before him, which was move it from having the head of it as a directorate role to having the head of the pandemic response team report to a directorate. It doesn't really matter as long as the people running it are competent. I do suspect the last three presidents will be the last three to remove it as a directorate role for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    He reorganized. That's not the same thing as cutting. The NSC isn't supposed to house all of your government response capabilities.
    That may be true - but what Obama did was take all of those parts spread between different agencies and elevate them in a single unit and put them at level where their warnings and capabilities would be recognized more easily by the real decision makers. What he did isn't very different then what B43 did to create DHS in the wake of 9/11. B43 recognized that having multiple units the way did allowed intel to get lost because agencies didn't share. Obama learned similar lessons from the 2 epidemics we didn't manage well. Fact is Bolton is more responsible probably than anyone in not recognizing why this was done and what could be at stake - he is the one that undid it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hacker View Post
    This graph has some big and invalidating variables:

    (1) testing is not universal in methodology and universally valid China used a nucleic acid test and Iran has what test?
    (2) the the lions share of the affected have no symptoms - so this is just a graph of symptoms and some type of test
    (3) China claims they locked everything down to Wuhan - yet it?s everywhere
    (4) 525M live in Hubei border states, the Chinese claim only 18 deaths in those border states. You believe that? That?s more people than all Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    Yeah, I'd take the guy that cut the pandemic response team that Obama put into place over obama who had experience with the Ebola and MERS outbreaks elsewhere in the world under his administration, saw the threat, and put a team together to have logistics plans in place and ready to mobilize in these exact type scenarios. But maybe that's just my bias showing.
    It definitely is your bias showing. H1N1 ring a bell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    This graph has some big and invalidating variables:

    (1) testing is not universal in methodology and universally valid China used a nucleic acid test and Iran has what test?
    (2) the the lions share of the affected have no symptoms - so this is just a graph of symptoms and some type of test
    (3) China claims they locked everything down to Wuhan - yet it?s everywhere
    (4) 525M live in Hubei border states, the Chinese claim only 18 deaths in those border states. You believe that? That?s more people than all Europe
    You're obsessed with China. So you're saying they're worse off than we think they are? That's shitty for us.

    I'm more concerned with our trajectory lining up with or even outpacing Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    But the thing is it's not a false narrative (even Fauci has said he wishes the team was in place), he learned, he put a team in place, he left that for every successive president, I'm sure trump was briefed on pandemic responses in the transition just like happens with every transition, and he decided it wasn't a real threat and worth the $$, so he cut it because somehow we've been at a point where "no government spending and tax cuts" constitutes a valid political position and receives praise. It shows no critical thinking at all because folks just wanna cut shit without knowing what that actually entails. I hope this ordeal wakes people up that parrot those lines as their politics.

    The CDC handles studying and researching the virus itself, treatments and vaccines, not the logistics of ramping up emergency testing, emergency hospitals, supply chains for basic healthcare needs like masks and gloves, etc. we are doing it on the fly now and with a hodgepodge of plans of various effectiveness in different states that's going to be a problem in the short term (long term when things are stabilized, more localized plans make sense, but we are months from that). Fema handles natural disasters. The logistics handling a hurricane or earthquake aftermath ain't like handling a pandemic. So kindly stop peddling you "false narrative" false narrative about there being no loss of capabilities by cutting the team in charge of planning for and ensuring our capabilities. Of course they wouldn't have "prevented" anything. They would probably make some mistakes too, but it's better than what we have now where all we've done is make mistakes.
    Look, if you're a liberal, you'll blame Trump. If you're a Conservative, you won't. And you'll repeat any lie or made up bit of information necessary to "prove" your side.

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    Sps has a good thread on why Italy may be getting harder than most...

    https://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...65#post1745365

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    He reorganized. That's not the same thing as cutting. The NSC isn't supposed to house all of your government response capabilities.
    Where did he reassign the team to report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    It definitely is your bias showing. H1N1 ring a bell?
    Do you remember the world shutting down over h1n1? Do you remember hospitals frantically building temporary facilities because they can't handle the number of patients? How many h1n1 patients died because they couldn't access healthcare? I get that people died, but the spread was slower and the people who were healthy could access treatment and survive. What's different here is we are looking at millions of people who could recover with proper care dying because they won't be able to access it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    Look, if you're a liberal, you'll blame Trump. If you're a Conservative, you won't. And you'll repeat any lie or made up bit of information necessary to "prove" your side.
    Why didn't he answer the question when asked why he cut the pandemic response team and explain how the same team was just moved to a different agency or reports to someone else is the of acting like he had no idea what people were talking about? Why has Fauci stated he'd love it if the pandemic response team was still around because they worked well together? Think critically for a ****ing minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Sps has a good thread on why Italy may be getting harder than most...

    https://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...65#post1745365
    So you're a fatass who is more susceptible? *****

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    Do you remember the world shutting down over h1n1? Do you remember hospitals frantically building temporary facilities because they can't handle the number of patients? How many h1n1 patients died because they couldn't access healthcare? I get that people died, but the spread was slower and the people who were healthy could access treatment and survive. What's different here is we are looking at millions of people who could recover with proper care dying because they won't be able to access it.
    Yeah that's kind of the point. Nevermind. It's just really not worth it. People believe what they want to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgday166 View Post
    So you're a fatass who is more susceptible? *****
    We all are according to Johnson haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    Why didn't he answer the question when asked why he cut the pandemic response team and explain how the same team was just moved to a different agency or reports to someone else is the of acting like he had no idea what people were talking about? Why has Fauci stated he'd love it if the pandemic response team was still around because they worked well together? Think critically for a ****ing minute.
    I think critically all day every day. It's what I do for a living. I don't need some dumb ass with half my brain power telling me how to think. Now, get back to proselytizing for your religion little man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    We all are according to Johnson haha
    We doomed **

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    Just an FYI, just heard from FEMA and MEMA, the two week shutdown and fuel shortage is nothing but a hoax. So don't act a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgs View Post
    Why didn't he answer the question when asked why he cut the pandemic response team and explain how the same team was just moved to a different agency or reports to someone else is the of acting like he had no idea what people were talking about? Why has Fauci stated he'd love it if the pandemic response team was still around because they worked well together? Think critically for a ****ing minute.
    He probably really didn't know what people were talking about. There was a consensus that the NSC ballooning from 100 to 400 was a mistake and it was too big. I'd guess Bolton presented the reorg to him, and he looked, saw it had nothing to do with trade/immigration/China/Mexico or his image and he said great and went back to tweeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooterpoot View Post
    Just an FYI, just heard from FEMA and MEMA, the two week shutdown and fuel shortage is nothing but a hoax. So don't act a fool.
    Thanks for the info. Just what we needed some rumor going around like that when so many people apparently think the bread, canned goods, and paper manufacturers are going out of business. The Government would do anything within their power to prevent something like that from happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacker View Post
    You're obsessed with China. So you're saying they're worse off than we think they are? That's shitty for us.

    I'm more concerned with our trajectory lining up with or even outpacing Italy.
    Italy is a very different culture than us and in the case of spreading virus, very unfortunate relative the USA

    (1) Italian bars are tiny. They can touch 10 people where ever you stand...and they love those bars, its cultural.
    (2) Italians eat family style at restaurants, frequently in close quarters
    (3) They don't clean things the same way we do. A cold beer in Italy is not a cold beer to us, they only thing they make really Hot is coffee
    (4) Work lunch is not dudes getting a burger at a drive through. They walk together and eat at cafeteria style small restaurants. Chatting and social.
    (5) everything is old, we use lots more plastic cups, forks, and spoons. They use long term utensils
    (6) just so happens that we have italian cold-chain companies on IOT devices, we know they don't use cold or hot like we do.
    (7) big users of trains and public buses over there, personal cars are not the rule. parking and rent is expensive.

    I could go on. Mississippi especially is not like Italy at all. The Bronx is sort-of like Italy, but not West Point, MS.
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    It also should be noted that Italy got destroyed by the seasonal flu in January. Almost half the country had it and many are still recovering. It was an epidemic all on its own that absolutely no one is talking about.

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