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    Quote Originally Posted by hacker View Post
    9,373 new cases and 118 deaths in the past 24 hours in the US

    Yesterday: 4,825 new cases and 46 deaths
    Where are you getting this info. Because we've had over 5k new cases each day since Friday. And increasing. Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    Where are you getting this info. Because we've had over 5k new cases each day since Friday. And increasing. Just curious.
    Saw today's total on twitter and verified on worldometer.

    I looked back at yesterday's total on worldometer.

    I think the numbers may be slightly different depending on the source because worldometer uses GMT timezone for daily totals. Therefore, it cuts off around 7 or 8pm in the US. Not sure what time zone other places are using. That's why I try to say "in the past 24 hours"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgology View Post
    Be careful brother. Wear a face mask and nitrile/latex gloves if it makes you feel better and take hand cleanser with you. Who cares if people look at you sideways. Be careful.
    I have a feeling that stigma is going to be gone by April 6th

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    Just a question, are the test accurate and if so why is there a 90% negative on current tests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacker View Post
    Saw today's total on twitter and verified on worldometer.

    I looked back at yesterday's total on worldometer.

    I think the numbers may be slightly different depending on the source because worldometer uses GMT timezone for daily totals. Therefore, it cuts off around 7 or 8pm in the US. Not sure what time zone other places are using. That's why I try to say "in the past 24 hours"
    Yeah it's calculated by GMT and it makes the numbers funky sometimes. I've also noticed the bar graphs run about 12 hours behind and won't show the previous days numbers until late.

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    I expect the numbers to skyrocket this week with the number of tests they are putting out there. I know 10 new testing stations are opening is MS. I think an additional 2.5 million tests are being pushed out over this week.

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    I've seen a lot of people on this board go political in some form or fashion. For the ones doing that what would you have asked our government to do differently? I'm not saying pick a side just what the heck was supposed to had been done.

    It's my understanding they closed off travel to and from China early. Literally every other country is having problems with this. Why is it that our country gets blasted by its own people for not getting it right when nobody else has either?

    Our testing procedure was obviously way too slow at first. That's being sped up more and more each day. People are freaking out every day that the numbers are grown. It's pretty simple to know that as testing becomes more available the numbers will go up more quickly. Also, only 10% of people taking the test are testing positive and 90% are negative.

    Our private sector is getting involved here and I just don't feel like I've ever seen anything like this happen before. Private lab companies making tests, GM and Ford making ventilators, Hanes and 3M making masks. Who would've ever thought we were gonna need that from those companies? Heck I'll add the possibility of cruise lines, hotels, and schools being used as temporary hospitals....

    Correct me if I wrong but it doesn't sound like there was much communication from China at all. It also sounds like China did a lot of things to make this seem like it wasn't so bad.

    We all saw the stuff when it started there but they have 4 times the population there so it would be logical to think it could spread fast in an area so dense. Comparing our country to others is kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

    I'm just trying to figure that out since some of y'all appear to be so smart....
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    Y?all are all idiots. Chill tf out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    I've seen a lot of people on this board go political in some form or fashion. For the ones doing that what would you have asked our government to do differently?


    Trump played down the severity in the beginning. Making it seem a lot less severe than it was. And it wasn't a big secret. The world knew this was severe. When we had our first cases he said it was going to be fine......south Korea had theirs at the same time and knew it was trouble and had been preparing. Media places like the BBC, PBS, NPR, ect were full of warnings from leading experts all over the world.

    And so you have the president give the impression that we were going to be ok and it wasn't a big deal.....way after the fact that it was clear to those paying attention that it was.

    So that is a big reason why we had so many people in this country running around saying it was "the media's fault" and it was "overblown"

    Americans have not taken this seriously enough. They didn't act fast enough. We still are not doing a good job social distancing. And the attitude of the president plays a big role in that.

    There are other issues that I think we end up reflecting poorly on him from a policy and behind the scenes standpoint, but in fairness I don't think we have all the info on those and it would just least to a political back and forth since that still an ongoing issue. We need to keep politics out as best we can

    But since you asked, and since we have all seen what he has said publicly I think it's pretty clear he played it down in the beginning
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    I've seen a lot of people on this board go political in some form or fashion. For the ones doing that what would you have asked our government to do differently? I'm not saying pick a side just what the heck was supposed to had been done.

    It's my understanding they closed off travel to and from China early. Literally every other country is having problems with this. Why is it that our country gets blasted by its own people for not getting it right when nobody else has either?

    Our testing procedure was obviously way too slow at first. That's being sped up more and more each day. People are freaking out every day that the numbers are grown. It's pretty simple to know that as testing becomes more available the numbers will go up more quickly. Also, only 10% of people taking the test are testing positive and 90% are negative.

    Our private sector is getting involved here and I just don't feel like I've ever seen anything like this happen before. Private lab companies making tests, GM and Ford making ventilators, Haynes and 3M making masks. Who would've ever thought we were gonna need that from those companies? Heck I'll add the possibility of cruise lines, hotels, and schools being used as temporary hospitals....

    Correct me if I wrong but it doesn't sound like there was much communication from China at all. It also sounds like China did a lot of things to make this seem like it wasn't so bad.

    We all saw the stuff when it started there but they have 4 times the population there so it would be logical to think it could spread fast in an area so dense. Comparing our country to others is kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

    I'm just trying to figure that out since some of y'all appear to be so smart....
    Well, for starters, I would have liked him to not call it a hoax and say there's no problem for a full two months. I would like some actual decent human being policies being passed in response. Universal Basic Income for starters. Mandatory Paid Sick Leave. I mean jesus christ, the senators who make laws ASKED jeff bezos to provide sick leave. They literally help write the laws. ****ing tell him to provide it. They have that power. Beyond that, the fact that we turned down testing kits from other countries and had our leaders look for a way to help their friends be the ones providing testing kits, which are slower with results... just wow. Focused on the dollar instead of American lives. Don't even get me started on the insider trading bullshit. And then you loop back to the universal basic income where it's going off of 2018 tax returns? (HUH?... just give every American citizen $1k.) and poor people will get LESS??? (again double HUH?... just give every American citizen $1k.) Seriously. It's an easy policy and really hard to **** up. Give out that $1k free to every American (kid's $1k gets given to their parent.) Boom. The end.

    Seriously. Every step of the way has been botched. Initial response was slow. They helped friends get out of stock market first. They voted against bills helping people. They ruined good ideas that will help people.

    Now we're looking at Americans being royally ****ed on two fronts. 1, this thing has spread. 2, the economy is in disarray. Both of those things could have been prevented. At worst only 1 should have been ****ed up.

    Lockdown everywhere as soon as there was spread. Isolate cases. Mass use other countries test kits. This would have prevented the spread. Economy would have had a mishap.

    Let the thing go and run it's course completely. Airlines are the only economy really taking a dip. Act like it's just the flu and tell people to get over it. America churns as usual. (This is honestly what I expected and it would have happened had sports not stopped and said no.)

    Since we had such a delayed response, the ****ing NBA had to do what our government wouldn't. Let that sink in. Sports handled this better than the government. They didn't worry about profits. They worried about people. Our government did the opposite.

    Once people stop electing leaders who put their faith in god (and I do mean lowercase g, their god is money) and maybe put actual leaders who put their faith and policies centered around actual God then we'll have an America to be proud of again.

    You can argue and say God doesn't like homosexuality and abortion and whatever else you associate with being a Democrat as anti-God, but tell me what the first ****ing commandment is. And tell me the money worshipping in this country doesn't break that. But yea, things like communism and socialism are the real Anti-God. Heaven doesn't have universal healthcare or basic income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadheaddawg View Post
    Trump played down the severity in the beginning. Making it seem a lot less severe than it was. And it wasn't a big secret. The world knew this was severe. When we had our first cases he said it was going to be fine......south Korea had theirs at the same time and knew it was trouble and had been preparing. Media places like the BBC, PBS, NPR, ect were full of warnings from leading experts all over the world.

    And so you have the president give the impression that we were going to be ok and it wasn't a big deal.....way after the fact that it was clear to those paying attention that it was.

    So that is a big reason why we had so many people in this country running around saying it was "the media's fault" and it was "overblown"

    Americans have not taken this seriously enough. They didn't act fast enough. We still are not doing a good job social distancing. And the attitude of the president plays a big role in that.

    There are other issues that I think we end up reflecting poorly on him from a policy and behind the scenes standpoint, but in fairness I don't think we have all the info on those and it would just least to a political back and forth since that still an ongoing issue. We need to keep politics out as best we can

    But since you asked, and since we have all seen what he has said publicly I think it's pretty clear he played it down in the beginning
    Dude you need to stfu. You are going crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreCowbell View Post
    Dude you need to stfu. You are going crazy
    12+8=18

    See I can do ad hominem attacks too. If you're not going to contribute anything other than that to the thread why even join.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantheman4248 View Post
    Well, for starters, I would have liked him to not call it a hoax and say there's no problem for a full two months...
    Well, for starters he never said IT was a hoax. He said the democrats using it against him was going to be their next big hoax like Russia and Ukraine.
    Where do you get the 2 full months thing? As of January 14th, the head of the World Health Organization stated there was no evidence of human to human transmission. We banned travel from China 2 weeks later at which time he was called a racist and xenophobic. Actually, on the 15th, we started warning Americans in China. So, obviously action taken and acknowledging the problem immediately after the W.H.O. stated there wasnt one.

    Also, where do you get that poor people aren't going to get a check based on their 2018 tax return? Do you ever read articles or do you just look at the pictures? EVERY adult will get a check based on their 2018 tax return.. The less you made, the more likely you are to get the FULL amount. The initial plan I saw was for the full amount for anything under $55k with a gradual decrease until anyone over $99k didn't get anything. I'm not saying it was going to be those exact numbers but that's how it was structured. I say was because Schumer and his cronies killed it tonight.

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    By Select Nations: (By least population %, excluding China and Iran that are not credible)

    (1) Japan 0.001
    (2) Taiwan 0.001
    (3) Canada 0.004
    (4) UK 0.009
    (5) USA 0.011

    (6) S. Korea 0.017
    (7) Sweden 0.019
    (8) France 0.024
    (9) Netherlands 0.025
    (10) Germany 0.030

    (11) Belgium 0.030
    (12) Spain 0.067
    (13) Italy 0.098

    By selection of US States (Not ranked - just selected)

    (a) Arizona 0.002
    (b) Texas 0.002
    (c) Alabama 0.003
    (d) Ohio 0.003
    (e) Nebraska 0.003
    (f) Pennsylvania 0.004

    Our State
    Mississippi 0.007

    New York 0.087 (16916 cases)
    Washington 0.026 (1996 cases) ... 75% in Seattle Area
    New Jersey 0.022 (1914 cases)

    60% of cases in three US States.
    47% of cases in about 6 counties in NYC Metro Area (NYC, Bergen, Essex, Westchester, Suffolk, Fairfield, Nassau)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    By Select Nations: (By least cases/population, excluding China and Iran that are not credible)

    (1) Japan 0.001
    (2) Taiwan 0.001
    (3) Canada 0.004
    (4) UK 0.009
    (5) USA 0.011

    (6) S. Korea 0.017
    (7) Sweden 0.019
    (8) France 0.024
    (9) Netherlands 0.025
    (10) Germany 0.030

    (11) Belgium 0.030
    (12) Spain 0.067
    (13) Italy 0.098

    By selection of US States (Not ranked - just selected)

    (a) Arizona 0.002
    (b) Texas 0.002
    (c) Alabama 0.003
    (d) Ohio 0.003
    (e) Nebraska 0.003
    (f) Pennsylvania 0.004

    Our State
    Mississippi 0.007

    New York 0.087 (16916 cases)
    Washington 0.026 (1996 cases) ... 75% in Seattle Area
    New Jersey 0.022 (1914 cases)

    60% of cases in three US States.
    47% of cases in about 6 counties in NYC Metro Area (NYC, Bergen, Essex, Westchester, Suffolk, Fairfield, Nassau)
    Ours (USA) is certainly rising though; we're at 106 per million currently. What I don't see is how we get to the 60-90 million Americans predicted, 17-25%. 170000-250000 cases per million is a long way off from 106 per million. Hell, Italy is being hammered, and they're only at 978 cases per million.

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    Spain reports 4,517 new cases of coronavirus and 462 new deaths since yesterday

    Up to 6.6% fatality rate overall

    570 coronavirus patients in Spain were admitted to the intensive care unit over the past 24 hours
    Last edited by hacker; 03-23-2020 at 06:49 AM.

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    I think one of the biggest differences in why Asian countries have been able to keep this under control is just experience. The SARS outbreak in 2002 really had an impact on the culture and the governments over there. That's when you started seeing Asians wearing masks all the time. And they don't wear masks to protect themselves.. they wear masks to keep others from getting sick. In their culture, you are considered irresponsible if you don't wear a mask when you're sick or have been around someone sick (or in general at a time like this).

    [tweet2]1223218977570078721[/tweet2]

    For us, the response from our culture goes back to the childhood story The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf. For the past two decades, we've been hearing about SARS, MERS, Ebola, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Mad Cow Disease, etc etc. For someone who isn't paying much attention to the numbers, it's easy to see why they think this isn't going to affect us. It just happens that there's a real wolf this time.

    I wouldn't put the blame solely on the media for hyping those things up -- it's kind of their job to prepare us -- but have they gone too far in the past?

    As far as response from the government, I definitely think we could've handled it better. One thing that isn't commonly known: the travel ban from China wasn't actually a full travel ban, for example. It routed flights from China to 11 US airports. Note that those 11 cities are all getting hit pretty hard right now.

    Source: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/02/02/...ave-been-china

    But regardless of who was in office or what the policies were, I think we were going to be in trouble anyway because of our lack of experience. I bet we don't take it lightly next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreCowbell View Post
    Dude you need to stfu. You are going crazy

    Just let them have this thread. It's giving them something to do I guess.

    They act like it's impossible to not post numbers and stats while keeping a level head and doing your part to not spread it. If you act civil and are still aware of what's going on, yet you aren't casting out "we are all screwed" statements then you just don't get it and you're an idiot and too obtuse to understand what is REALLY ACTUALLY going on. They are the only ones in MS who understand the severity of this so don't even try to respond. You will get attacked and be blamed for the problem that you can't begin to fathom is taking place.

    There are in fact a few on here who are saying this is nothing and they are downplaying it. But the vast majority of people responding to the ones who are really pumping the fear are simply saying calm down and just see how this plays out without making predictions that may or may not play out that way. The problem most people have, including me, are these people stating things so matter of factly when it's just not possible to actually know beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's just casting out fear. Yes, they are predictions. Yes, they may wind up being right. But what good is it doing? They aren't reaching the masses, that's for sure. And they damn sure aren't accomplishing what I'm assuming they are attempting to do in trying to convince people to take it seriously. They just get defensive and act like if you aren't freaking out and screaming from the rooftops then you are totally dismissing it and you are the problem here. There is actually room to fall between these two scenarios they love to paint. And that's ok. Most people realize this.

    But arguing with them is pointless. Let them scream and throw a fit. I'll just keep on living my life and practicing hygiene and social distancing since that's all we as normal citizens can really do for now.

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    I don't claim to have the answers like some on here even at this time with more of a dataset (although still not comprehensive). "Critical" thinking tho requires surveying all aspects of the fallout from this. The data right at this very time suggests about 10 to 12% of folks are testing positive, and that's a sample from people getting tested that are supposed to be showing symptoms similar to COVID-19. If that holds then about 30 to 40 million people in US would get it. Of those, about 1.2 to 1.4% seem to be dying. That equates to about 560,000 deaths, which is very high. The vast majority of those are 60 to 80 years old +. Now they're trying to show data that young people are getting it at a higher rate, which may be true but they are surviving it for most part too.

    Long term tho, a lot of those people in 60 to 80 range just got their retirement accounts destroyed. How do they live now? Millions of young folks may be out of jobs and for a good while too. How do they live .. how do they feed their children? It's easy to say "shut everything down" when you can telework and still have an income coming in.

    According to Larry Kudlow last night (if I recall his numbers) the fed is talking about injecting as much as about 6 trillion into the economy overall. That's 30% of GDP and we're already spending like 110 to 120 % of GDP every year. Gonna have a debt of about $29 or so trillion. Sooner or later I'm thinking that's real money and the chickens have to come home to roost at some point.

    My main point is ... the decisions aren't easy and they're not easy whether you're Trump, Obama, Hillary, or whoever is running the place. There are a LOT of factors to consider. You save some folks and devastate others. If you throw $6 trillion at the economy, someday someone has to pay for that. So you can bash whoever the decision makers are but the decisions aren't easy and any of them would make some mistakes along the way.

    We're shutting down to a large extent. We won't know the overall results of doing that for a few years (or maybe more) down the road. A lot of younger folks with jobs in the industries that are shut down are terrified right now of a lot more than just COVID-19.

    I don't have the answers and no one on this board does either. I figure Trump and his advisors are doing about as good a job as can be done. They've probably made some mistakes and it's easier to overlook media hysteria cause quite frankly, the majority of the media stays hysterical over some "next" catastrophic event. It's like the little boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later folks become numb to that.

    As I said earlier too, the dataset isn't comprehensive. We're not getting a full picture of why Italy is so high, or why it's affecting some countries more than others. Maybe those countries aren't reporting the true impact (probable to some extent), but I'm also scratching my head why Washington State seems to have leveled off quickly, and NY is exploding. Certainly more folks in NY, but I also tend to think there are certain ethnic groups more susceptible to this too. But that isn't and will never be reported due to discrimination purposes, and rightfully so for the most part. There is a lot of data out there and hard to sort thru all that to get a clear, comprehensive picture of it, how it spreads, who is affected the most (other than seniors), etc. I also tend to believe this has been here longer than patient 0 in Wash St. I believe NY has had this for a while now, but it was just another strain of the flu till folks started getting tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacker View Post
    Spain reports 4,517 new cases of coronavirus and 462 new deaths since yesterday

    Up to 6.6% fatality rate overall

    570 coronavirus patients in Spain were admitted to the intensive care unit over the past 24 hours
    Not sure where your getting that info. According to this those countries are down
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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