The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[Gutter Cobreh]

We're in terrible shape. Most of our whole country is.

The whole country isn't in bad shape. The map they showed today at the press briefing looked bad for MS and AL.

With as much as those two states are relatively rural, it's surprising to see how fast it's apparently spread. I could understand some of the larger cities, but it looks like the delta is getting hammered. I don't know if that's true, but the map looked pretty red in the central & west part of MS.

[msstate7]

The whole country isn't in bad shape. The map they showed today at the press briefing looked bad for MS and AL.

With as much as those two states are relatively rural, it's surprising to see how fast it's apparently spread. I could understand some of the larger cities, but it looks like the delta is getting hammered. I don't know if that's true, but the map looked pretty red in the central & west part of MS.

I said "most". Maybe I overstated it some, but there are a crap load of states that are remaining level or increasing in positive test %. There are exceptions though... mainly the NE. I like this tool to see how we're doing in this area...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/...ual-states/usa

Be nice if we could start trending down in this area.

[Schultzy]

From a national standpoint I would say it depends on whether you trust the current Administration. If you do, the answer is "yes". If you don't, then I'd say "no". They control the data at this point.

I do trust the local numbers where I live, but only look at hospitalizations. Where I live, we spiked earlier this week but it appears to be lowering as the week has progressed.

The current Administration does not control the numbers coming out of the CDC and certainly not the discredited WHO. It also doesn?t control the numbers coming out of hospitals or testing clinics which have great latitude in massaging the numbers in order to extract more $ per COVID patient than they would if diagnosed with anything else.

[Gutter Cobreh]

The current Administration does not control the numbers coming out of the CDC and certainly not the discredited WHO. It also doesn?t control the numbers coming out of hospitals or testing clinics which have great latitude in massaging the numbers in order to extract more $ per COVID patient than they would if diagnosed with anything else.

Your entire post is incorrect. Please take a minute and read the article below:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...virus.amp.html

Also, numbers aren't "massaged" for a higher reimbursement. You also realize a COVID patient costs more to treat than an average patient though, right? PPE burn rate is high and ain't cheap these days...

[Johnson85]

Yeah. 400-500 cases per day for the ENTIRE continent??

Well, a continent with 25M people. So 37% of the population of the UK spread over a much larger area. So probably 60% of the daily cases of the UK right now, with 37% of the population, but without ever having had a real spike to begin with like the UK did. And presumably Australia has primarily been exposed to the less contagious strain, so if the more contagious strain makes its way there, that's another potential complication for them.

[Johnson85]

The whole country isn't in bad shape. The map they showed today at the press briefing looked bad for MS and AL.

With as much as those two states are relatively rural, it's surprising to see how fast it's apparently spread. I could understand some of the larger cities, but it looks like the delta is getting hammered. I don't know if that's true, but the map looked pretty red in the central & west part of MS.

Delta is hot and humid and has a lot of older housing stock, so there will be lots of people spending more time indoors and the AC blowing relatively hard for the size of the house.

[Liverpooldawg]

Delta is hot and humid and has a lot of older housing stock, so there will be lots of people spending more time indoors and the AC blowing relatively hard for the size of the house.

You also see more people per house there, just like every poor area.

[Johnson85]

Thought this was an interesting chart:

<a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state.jpg" alt="Statistic: Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States as of July 24, 2020, by state (per 100,000 people) | Statista" style="width: 100%; height: auto !important; max-width:1000px;-ms-interpolation-mode: bicubic;"/></a><br />Find more statistics at <a href="https://www.statista.com" rel="nofollow">Statista</a>

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/

I suspect you're going to see those numbers start to converge, with maybe New York and New Jersey remaining an outlier both because of getting hit earlier and making particularly bad decisions early on.

Or if you don't see them converge, you will see the states getting big spikes in the summer having lower death rates.

ETA: well shit. THought I could embed it.

[hacker]

There you go

[WSOPdawg]

No way in Hades' have I read all 239 pages of this thread (stopped following it after 50 pages or so b/c of all of the arguing/defending of both sides)...

but now that more data is filtering in, Mississippi's death rate of less than 5 people per 10,000 who contact the virus really makes a loud statement about stopping the fear-mongering and letting the virus run it's course... just sayin'. And my thoughts definitely won't be popular with my wife, who's ready to shut down the economy again.

[dparker]

There you go

I think it's be more useful to see those bars as maybe a 15 or 30 day moving average. That would help compare what is going on right now across the country because its disingenuous to compare places like the Northeast that had a huge spike early to places that are just ramping up.

[msstate7]

I think it's be more useful to see those bars as maybe a 15 or 30 day moving average. That would help compare what is going on right now across the country because its disingenuous to compare places like the Northeast that had a huge spike early to places that are just ramping up.

Florida has had 5653 deaths so far, which is 263 per million. To get to NY's 1679 deaths per million, Florida would have to have 36,938 deaths. At their current 7-day death avg, that would take ~258 days to reach NY. Florida's deaths per million is higher than Texas and California's. NY's is awful. Oh, and this math is with the assumption NY doesn't have another death.

[Joebob]

No way in Hades' have I read all 239 pages of this thread (stopped following it after 50 pages or so b/c of all of the arguing/defending of both sides)...

but now that more data is filtering in, Mississippi's death rate of less than 5 people per 10,000 who contact the virus really makes a loud statement about stopping the fear-mongering and letting the virus run it's course... just sayin'. And my thoughts definitely won't be popular with my wife, who's ready to shut down the economy again.

Nobody is paying any attention to the death rate anymore because the treatments have gotten so much better. It's the hospitalization rates, the amount of time spent in the hospital, and the lingering effects of the virus after you're "cured" that people are worrying about.

[Cooterpoot]

Nobody is paying any attention to the death rate anymore because the treatments have gotten so much better. It's the hospitalization rates, the amount of time spent in the hospital, and the lingering effects of the virus after you're "cured" that people are worrying about.

I read where like 40% of hospitalized people have lingering effects. And like 90% of those people already had underlying issues. So the lingering effects is pretty limited beyond some minor things like a cough.
Anyone with lung scarring will have issues from now on. Stroke victims too. I had a still unidentified virus that hit me 20+ years ago (At Ft. Sam Houston) that left my lungs scarred and a constant cough. Lymph node, colon, and tendon issues too. Most of my family caught it (spread like wildfire) but it wasn't as hard on them. I suspect the bad Covid patients will deal with similar issues.
It's also why I made sure my will and insurance was in order when this stuff hit. Damn near died 20 years ago.

[SteelCurtain74]

CDC has lowered the number of days to quarantine to 10.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ed-be-n1234883

[msstate7]

South Korea with seemingly a low total today, 113, but that's their biggest total since April 1st.

[Todd4State]

Nobody is paying any attention to the death rate anymore because the treatments have gotten so much better. It's the hospitalization rates, the amount of time spent in the hospital, and the lingering effects of the virus after you're "cured" that people are worrying about.

Logically if we're better at treating this- and we are- then the hospitalization rates will likely also decrease. Then they'll have to move the goal posts again.

[Liverpooldawg]

Logically if we're better at treating this- and we are- then the hospitalization rates will likely also decrease. Then they'll have to move the goal posts again.

The treatments might have got better, and they may not have. I suspect they have, sort of. That being said the primary reason for the lower death rate is absolutely not in doubt. The median age of confirmed infections has dropped BIG TIME. The hospital rates will also drop because of that. There is an old saying among those of us that have to deal with post op infection in our fields, the solution for pollution is dilution. Operating in an a septic field, irrigate the heck out of it. The solution to getting your BAD numbers to look better in any disease is to include more people who do better in your stats. You dilute the bad numbers. It's ONE reason why I laugh at the people who say the increasing numbers are due to increased testing. The more positives they can get the less dangerous it will look overall.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Logically if we're better at treating this- and we are- then the hospitalization rates will likely also decrease. Then they'll have to move the goal posts again.

You're right - the goalposts are being moved... First it was the flu kills more people, then it was the flu kills the same number, and now that narrative is gone completely and has moved to mortality rate within the US pop.

[msstate7]

You're right - the goalposts are being moved... First it was the flu kills more people, then it was the flu kills the same number, and now that narrative is gone completely and has moved to mortality rate within the US pop.

While I agree this isn't the flu. Your post is totally dishonest. Here's the article it's from...

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...-by-age-2020-6

"... The number of people killed by influenza each year isn't reported the same way that COVID-19 deaths are ? a discrepancy that can cause confusion when comparing the numbers.

The CDC estimates the total number of flu infections in the US via its influenza-surveillance system, which gathers data from state and local partners and projects nationwide totals using infectious-disease models...."

"... Because of the newness of the coronavirus, calculations of the disease's death rate come from dividing the number of confirmed COVID-19 deaths by the total of confirmed cases. The numbers in the chart above come from the CDC's most recent June report.

In the US, the coronavirus has infected more than 2.3 million people since the first case was reported on January 22. But that case total likely far undercounts the true scope of the outbreak because it includes only those who have gotten tested...."

..

Right now the CDC puts the infection mortality rate range at 0.005-0.008.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...cenarios.html#