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Originally Posted by
Bothrops
Toles has pretty good stats and has speed. The fact that he was a 79 is ridiculous, but all the recruiting services have sold out now.
Who are his offers? Because that's a better way to understand the odds he pans out. Last check, we were it as far as P5 offers but I might have missed something.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Who are his offers? Because that's a better way to understand the odds he pans out. Last check, we were it as far as P5 offers but I might have missed something.
Well...let's see he's sub 4.5 kid that has multiple interceptions on the season playing 5a ball. I don’t know why he doesn't have more offers.
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Originally Posted by
Bothrops
Well...let's see he's sub 4.5 kid that has multiple interceptions on the season playing 5a ball. I don’t know why he doesn't have more offers.
I honestly don't get it either. I think he's a little stiff in the hips, but surprised he doesn't have more offers
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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Originally Posted by
Bothrops
Well...let's see he's sub 4.5 kid that has multiple interceptions on the season playing 5a ball. I don’t know why he doesn't have more offers.
Great CBs are hard to find. Somebody would've found him by now. I've said from day one he was a G5 guy. No offers and a low ranking back that up.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Great CBs are hard to find. Somebody would've found him by now. I've said from day one he was a G5 guy. No offers and a low ranking back that up.
Must be something else.
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His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.
Hopefully they do get shown the door. With the transfer portal rules, you can't afford to take non SEC players when that scholly could be used for an immediate impact transfer
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.
Trevon Marshall and Amarion Howard
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.
We've recruited and signed worse talents in every class. Rating doesn't mean shit in his case. Watch the film
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.
Aren't these Leach's recruits ? ...Is he showing the door to his own recruits ? ... How long will it take to get Leach's players at this rate ? I understand changing your mind on a recruit or two because most other coaches do ... but to offer a guy with no other P5 offers is kind of a head scratcher
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OXFORD, Miss. (WTVA) - Ole Miss campus police ask students to behave at future baseball games following a recent incident.
The university said students were reportedly throwing rocks at Georgia baseball players during last weekend's series.
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Originally Posted by
FISHDAWG
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Aren't these Leach's recruits ? ...Is he showing the door to his own recruits ? ... How long will it take to get Leach's players at this rate ? I understand changing your mind on a recruit or two because most other coaches do ... but to offer a guy with no other P5 offers is kind of a head scratcher
There is almost always churn like this in recruiting classes. You take early commitments and a kid has a bad SR year or doesn't progress like they thought, or you find someone else who fits better. It's no different then players who decommit on their own.
Before Moorhead was fired, the 2020 class had 9 decommits. Leach is at 4 in this class (plus 1 Moorhead commit who decommited back in January).
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
There is almost always churn like this in recruiting classes. You take early commitments and a kid has a bad SR year or doesn't progress like they thought, or you find someone else who fits better. It's no different then players who decommit on their own.
Before Moorhead was fired, the 2020 class had 9 decommits. Leach is at 4 in this class (plus 1 Moorhead commit who de-committed back in January).
I understand the churn ... Most of those JoMo decommits de-committed on their own - I'm curious how many Joe withdrew offers from though... and I know Mullen did this a lot as well but my point was why even offer a guy with no P5 offers to begin with? ... Here's to hoping Leach can see something that other teams are missing as Dan did a few times because even tho I'm skeptical at this point I'm still pulling really hard for Leach and his system to succeed
OXFORD, Miss. (WTVA) - Ole Miss campus police ask students to behave at future baseball games following a recent incident.
The university said students were reportedly throwing rocks at Georgia baseball players during last weekend's series.
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Originally Posted by
FISHDAWG
I understand the churn ... Most of those JoMo decommits de-committed on their own - I'm curious how many Joe withdrew offers from though... and I know Mullen did this a lot as well but my point was why even offer a guy with no P5 offers to begin with? ... Here's to hoping Leach can see something that other teams are missing as Dan did a few times because even tho I'm skeptical at this point I'm still pulling really hard for Leach and his system to succeed
Sometimes it's mis-evaluation by coaches, or they calculate the class balance wrong. Or sometimes a player already on the roster develops more than you thought and the roster numbers don't work. It's an imperfect system for sure.
I would venture a guess that with our overall roster "makeover" that we have lines on guys in the portal and would rather have an experienced player vs. a developmental player and will use the spot somewhere else.
I can see why some coaches just hate recruiting though - it's a crazy way to do business.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
Bothrops
We've recruited and signed worse talents in every class. Rating doesn't mean shit in his case. Watch the film
I've told you my opinion already. I've seen it. I know I've seen a few better in the 21 class in MS. I know our other offers for CB are better this round. Now, we've still got to sign them, but I have no problem going another direction.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
I've told you my opinion already. I've seen it. I know I've seen a few better in the 21 class in MS. I know our other offers for CB are better this round. Now, we've still got to sign them, but I have no problem going another direction.
What's your evaluation of Toles from his film?
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CB is one of the easiest positions to evaluate
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
CB is one of the easiest positions to evaluate
So what was your opinion on Furdge, Jaylon Reed, and Selmon?
Additionally what was your opinion on Jarrian Jones and Martin Emerson in the same class? Guarantee you thought Jones would be the star of that class and not the third best DB we had committed in that class. DJ James and Emerson were the two studs in that DB class and it sucks we lost James to Oregon.
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Originally Posted by
FISHDAWG
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Aren't these Leach's recruits ? ...Is he showing the door to his own recruits ? ... How long will it take to get Leach's players at this rate ? I understand changing your mind on a recruit or two because most other coaches do ... but to offer a guy with no other P5 offers is kind of a head scratcher
I think it was smart. A marginal guy that you take if you can't find better.
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Originally Posted by
Bothrops
What's your evaluation of Toles from his film?
Lacks the flexibility to play CB & the physicality to play safety. Has great straight line speed, but change of direction gives him trouble.
He's a good athlete that'll play college ball somewhere. Maybe he gets bigger offers between now and Feb.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Lacks the flexibility to play CB & the physicality to play safety. Has great straight line speed, but change of direction gives him trouble.
He's a good athlete that'll play college ball somewhere. Maybe he gets bigger offers between now and Feb.
Fair enough. Well I hope we can sign another CB in this class.
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