2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

[DEDawg]

Most people upset about Leach’s overall recruiting class are people who hate him because of who he supports politically. Those people have found and will continue to find reasons to dislike Leach. He will be held to a standard that is unattainable by them until he leaves because they are assholes that are blinded by hate.

this is probably the biggest reach ive ever read on this board... and that's saying a lot

[msstate7]

Another one who was not going to see the field anytime soon...

Didn't he see this field this year? Thread below says he played in 9 games and started 1

[msstate7]

Most people upset about Leach?s overall recruiting class are people who hate him because of who he supports politically. Those people have found and will continue to find reasons to dislike Leach. He will be held to a standard that is unattainable by them until he leaves because they are assholes that are blinded by hate.

Come on mane. It's not like this class is above criticism. Top 30 is really just bc of numbers at the moment... just looking at the classes behind us to #40 (#28 to 40), there are 8 of the 13 with a higher rating per commit than us.

ETA... now this doesn't include the transfers, whom I like. I feel a lot better about this class than I did a few months ago. Still, it isn't like it's great... hardly terrible though.

[Jarius]

this is probably the biggest reach ive ever read on this board... and that's saying a lot

Then what on earth would anyone be bitching for ? The worst in state class in your lifetime is going to end up with a class exactly like 99 % of our classes throughout the past decade. That is a phenomenal accomplishment. Yes, it has holes. So does every class we have ever signed. Anyone complaining about the overall class has an agenda or is too stupid to take seriously.

[Jarius]

Come on mane. It's not like this class is above criticism. Top 30 is really just bc of numbers at the moment... just looking at the classes behind us to #40 (#28 to 40), there are 8 of the 13 with a higher rating per commit than us.

ETA... now this doesn't include the transfers, whom I like. I feel a lot better about this class than I did a few months ago. Still, it isn't like it's great... hardly terrible though.

This class looks like most all of our classes that have resulted in us having the best decade in MSU football history. We don’t recruit like Alabama or teams like them and never will. If you want to find holes in our recruiting class you will have no problem finding them, just like every other class we have ever signed. The problem is people (more on other boards than this one) are going over the top with the criticism and they are Doing it because they hate Leach (or they are just stupid).

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Didn't he see this field this year? Thread below says he played in 9 games and started 1

They were going to move him to defense in the off season....

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Then what on earth would anyone be bitching for ? The worst in state class in your lifetime is going to end up with a class exactly like 99 % of our classes throughout the past decade. That is a phenomenal accomplishment. Yes, it has holes. So does every class we have ever signed. Anyone complaining about the overall class has an agenda or is too stupid to take seriously.

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

[KOdawg1]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Ding, ding, ding.

This class has a lot of good things about it. The highest rated HS QB we've ever signed. A 4* RB. 2 4* WRs and one who should be a 4*. Some solid OL in Reese and Boone. DL recruiting was okay. We did really well at LB outside of losing Strong. But the DB recruiting this class cycle has been bad. They've got next class to fix it. Otherwise we'll need to cut ties bc we can't afford to have a weak secondary in this league.

[msstate7]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Awesome to see you back. Missed ya

[BrunswickDawg]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Dry January a/k/a "Ifyouonlyknew" takes a message board break January?? LOL

[Jarius]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

There is a huge difference in pointing out that our DB position group has been struggling to recruit this cycle and what some of our fans are bitching about and the way they are going about it. This is directed to the MSU “fans” that only pop out their head to bitch about the DB recruiting and are nowhere to be found about the rest of the class. This is directed to the “fans” who bitch about the offense and fail to see the vast improvement that happened over the back half of the season with 75 % first or second year players. Leach’s offense looked just like it did year 1 everywhere else statistically with an all SEC schedule. Our fans, including myself, had too high of expectations for the offense. So I say again, if you are enraged about this signing class to the point that you do nothing but bitch every time recruiting is brought up, you are either a dumbass or you have an agenda. There are either a bunch of them on MSU message boards or the more likely case is they are the same people that go by a different screen name depending on what board they are posting on.

[deltadawg63]

Maybe it has been said in a previous post or thread but the offensive line blocking schemes are night and day different than under Mullen and Moorhead. And the type OL needed are very, very different; thus, many of the existing OL prior to Leach do not fit the scheme and are being displaced by those that best fit the scheme. Another expected, drastic changeover due to the coaching hire and style.

[HancockCountyDog]

Most people upset about Leach?s overall recruiting class are people who hate him because of who he supports politically. Those people have found and will continue to find reasons to dislike Leach. He will be held to a standard that is unattainable by them until he leaves because they are assholes that are blinded by hate.

I'm pretty sure that any true maroon pinko socialist wouldn't give two shits about Leach's political leanings as long as he is whipping ass on Saturdays. I care about W's and L's and how his offense looks - the rest is just bullshit.

[HancockCountyDog]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Ok - I think this wraps up this issue. On to the next one.

[HoopsDawg]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Bro, don't ever leave again. LOL.

[BrunswickDawg]

I'm pretty sure that any true maroon pinko socialist wouldn't give two shits about Leach's political leanings as long as he is whipping ass on Saturdays. I care about W's and L's and how his offense looks - the rest is just bullshit.

Speaking for the true maroon pinko socialists on the board - you are correct.

[Jarius]

I'm pretty sure that any true maroon pinko socialist wouldn't give two shits about Leach's political leanings as long as he is whipping ass on Saturdays. I care about W's and L's and how his offense looks - the rest is just bullshit.

We have people on MSU boards who care more about other things than if MSU wins. Some on other boards admitted to it openly. I’m not guessing when I tell you we have fans on our message boards who are this way. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. There are many that will overlook it when he wins, but rather than celebrate they will just shut up until the next time something pops up that they have a chance to bitch about (like they are currently doing with this recruiting class). When posters are never there to get excited for the positives and always there to bitch at the negatives, something else is a motivating factor. Same thing happens with Cohen, although he actually deserves some criticism.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We have people on MSU boards who care more about other things than if MSU wins. Some on other boards admitted to it openly. I’m not guessing when I tell you we have fans on our message boards who are this way. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. There are many that will overlook it when he wins, but rather than celebrate they will just shut up until the next time something pops up that they have a chance to bitch about (like they are currently doing with this recruiting class). When posters are never there to get excited for the positives and always there to bitch at the negatives, something else is a motivating factor. Same thing happens with Cohen, although he actually deserves some criticism.

That happens with every coach. Happened with Moorhead, happening now with Howland & NMP.

[HancockCountyDog]

We have people on MSU boards who care more about other things than if MSU wins. Some on other boards admitted to it openly. I’m not guessing when I tell you we have fans on our message boards who are this way. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. There are many that will overlook it when he wins, but rather than celebrate they will just shut up until the next time something pops up that they have a chance to bitch about (like they are currently doing with this recruiting class). When posters are never there to get excited for the positives and always there to bitch at the negatives, something else is a motivating factor. Same thing happens with Cohen, although he actually deserves some criticism.

It is ok to have legit concerns about Leach after year 1 both in recruiting and on the field. What is amazing is that they are both polar opposites, the football team on the field closed fairly strong and the recruiting class has fizzled towards the end. Sure we have done well in the portal, but I'm not counting on portal players yet - so far its a mixed bag for almost every program.

Bottom line is that we apparently are about to miss out on a DB to AU that we could have easily signed in December if we had offered, now I have no idea who we are going to sign, but it is a miss.

One of our OL signees has already left campus, we lost out on a key LB commit, same with a stud WR on signing day. Its simply been a tough finish. Any rational fan would say that regardless of their stance on Leach.

I have my concern about his offense working, I sure hope I'm wrong and we post a strong season because I think we are going to miss some of those war daddies up front that are graduating on the DL.

[Jarius]

That happens with every coach. Happened with Moorhead, happening now with Howland & NMP.

Moorhead inherited the #1 defense in the country and was installing an offense that was semi similar to what his
Predecessor ran. The women’s basketball coach inherited a program that was a blue blood and has immediately turned it into an absolute train wreck. Howland is on year 6 and has been average.

Doing it year 1 with Leach to the point that some people are doing it (after they openly admit they don’t like his politics) when he inherited a complete shit show of a locker room / culture problem is something completely different. We have had 3 losing seasons in 5 years. The idea that he took over some sort of well built program is a joke. We either have some of the dumbest fans in America or they have an agenda. There is no other option.