2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

[ShotgunDawg]

Offensive only last 4 classes:

2018:
4 4-stars
Next highest rating - 87

2019:
1 5-star
1 4-star
Next highest - 87

2020:
3 4-star
Next highest - 88

2021:
3 4-star
Next highest - 87

Not sure I see a real difference

Best QB we've ever signed. That alone counts more than anything. He's not close to anything we've ever signed.
Knox - Fastest WR we've ever signed
Harmon - Harmon = Spivey
Moore - Should clearly be a 4 star. Legit outside WR that's better than what we've been signing
Price - Should be a 4 star. Legit talent
OL - we signed more of them than we did in any year of the Mullen era
Ra Ra Thomas - Good WR that should be a solid player

I don't think it's close that this our best offensive class ever on paper. Not really a debate for me.

[msstate7]

Best QB we've ever signed. That alone counts more than anything. He's not close to anything we've ever signed.
Knox - Fastest WR we've ever signed
Harmon - Harmon = Spivey
Moore - Should clearly be a 4 star. Legit outside WR that's better than what we've been signing
Price - Should be a 4 star. Legit talent
OL - we signed more of them than we did in any year of the Mullen era
Ra Ra Thomas - Good WR that should be a solid player

I don't think it's close that this our best offensive class ever on paper. Not really a debate for me.

That's fine, but you're not basing it on actual data. We'll see... you claimed Guidry was gonna be a monster. I mean if you're not actually using ratings, then dak is the best we signed.

[ShotgunDawg]

That's fine, but you're not basing it on actual data. We'll see... you claimed Guidry was gonna be a monster. I mean if you're not actually using ratings, then dak is the best we signed.

Ok. disagree if you want.

[msstate7]

Ok. disagree if you want.

I have no idea how this offensive class will turn out. It very well could be the best. At this point though, all we have to compare is recruiting rankings, and it isn't really any different than the last few years.

[ShotgunDawg]

I have no idea how this offensive class will turn out. It very well could be the best. At this point though, all we have to compare is recruiting rankings, and it isn't really any different than the last few years.

But we've never signed a QB like this. EVER. If anything, he's underreated

Secondly, we've never signed a WR class like this EVER & they'll qualify.

We've signed OL classes with higher ranked guys, but we've never signed this many.

If we've signed a better QB & WRs, please let me know who they are

[msstate7]

But we've never signed a QB like this. EVER. If anything, he's underreated

Secondly, we've never signed a WR class like this EVER & they'll qualify.

We've signed OL classes with higher ranked guys, but we've never signed this many.

If we've signed a better QB & WRs, please let me know who they are

Just looking at last 4 classes.

Sawyer vs shrader...
Sawyer - composite 94, #10 pro style
Shrader - composite 91, #7 dual

Sawyer is rated higher, but it isn't a huge difference.

FWIW, kj Costello was 97 composite, #3 pro style

WRs (avg of composite for top 3 wrs in class)...
2021 - 89.00
2020 - 88.67
2019 - 86.67
2018 - 89.33

[msstate7]

Just dawned on me that this class isn't complete like the others. There's still time for leach to separate from those classes.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This class is ok from a talent standpoint. I actually don't have any different opinion on it than I had a week ago. MJ is a good ballplayer but he's overhyped because the state is devoid on talent this year. Last year or two years ago that guy is barely a top 10 prospect. Again, I'm not trying to drag the kid I just don't think he's irreplaceable. Price and Thomas cancel out the loss of Nabors. The only loss that stung was Strong so we need to get in the portal to find a LB.

The problem I have with this class, and have had with it for a while, is that while it does look like we upgraded a bit on offense, we've recruited a bunch of projects on the defensive side of the ball. I don't know that we have one guy, outside of Charlton, that could step in and play next year. This is why it's so important to close on Anderson because I feel like he can get into the rotation and be productive as a freshman. Those are the types of players we need. They don't have to be Day 1 studs, but we need two or three to have production as freshman, ala Willie Gay.

Again, you can break down rankings and film all you want but until they perform on the field then it means squat. Right now I'd say we probably have 1-2 players in this class who I can confidently say will get snaps next year and would've gotten them on any team in the past decade. That is Knox, Charlton, and I guess you can throw in Sawyer although in a perfect world you want to RS your true freshman QB.

[msstate7]

This class is ok from a talent standpoint. I actually don't have any different opinion on it than I had a week ago. MJ is a good ballplayer but he's overhyped because the state is devoid on talent this year. Last year or two years ago that guy is barely a top 10 prospect. Again, I'm not trying to drag the kid I just don't think he's irreplaceable. Price and Thomas cancel out the loss of Nabors. The only loss that stung was Strong so we need to get in the portal to find a LB.

The problem I have with this class, and have had with it for a while, is that while it does look like we upgraded a bit on offense, we've recruited a bunch of projects on the defensive side of the ball. I don't know that we have one guy, outside of Charlton, that could step in and play next year. This is why it's so important to close on Anderson because I feel like he can get into the rotation and be productive as a freshman. Those are the types of players we need. They don't have to be Day 1 studs, but we need two or three to have production as freshman, ala Willie Gay.

Again, you can break down rankings and film all you want but until they perform on the field then it means squat. Right now I'd say we probably have 1-2 players in this class who I can confidently say will get snaps next year and would've gotten them on any team in the past decade. That is Knox, Charlton, and I guess you can throw in Sawyer although in a perfect world you want to RS your true freshman QB.

If Sawyer is the real deal, I want him playing next year. I want him getting his experience in a year where not much is expected.

[BrunswickDawg]

I have no idea how this offensive class will turn out. It very well could be the best. At this point though, all we have to compare is recruiting rankings, and it isn't really any different than the last few years.

And if you look at our past classes - two of our best in terms of producing on the field and in the NFL talent were our 2 lowest ranked classes 2011 and 2014.
It's why I don't understand the overall freakout about this year (or any year really). To me, the only real gripes can be about what numbers we sign at each position so that we have the
best chance at a balanced roster and we fill positions of need.

[Cooterpoot]

Still signed the best offensive class in school history yesterday

Best? No. Largest, maybe. One of them is a wasted ship IMO. Not saying it's bad. It's not. But it's nothing special. Let's see how they develop.

[Matt3467]

Best QB we've ever signed. That alone counts more than anything. He's not close to anything we've ever signed.
Knox - Fastest WR we've ever signed
Harmon - Harmon = Spivey
Moore - Should clearly be a 4 star. Legit outside WR that's better than what we've been signing
Price - Should be a 4 star. Legit talent
OL - we signed more of them than we did in any year of the Mullen era
Ra Ra Thomas - Good WR that should be a solid player

I don't think it's close that this our best offensive class ever on paper. Not really a debate for me.

Devonta Jason, Malik Heath (both 93 composite) and Guidry on paper is the best WR class we've signed that I can remember. I also remember people hyping up these guys and we've gotten very little out of them and nothing from Jason.

Btw our 2015 WR class on paper was pretty good with Donald Gray and if you count Malik Heath as a WR.

[ShotgunDawg]

Best? No. Largest, maybe. One of them is a wasted ship IMO. Not saying it's bad. It's not. But it's nothing special. Let's see how they develop.

Nah, it's the best

[ShotgunDawg]

Devonta Jason, Malik Heath (both 93 composite) and Guidry on paper is the best WR class we've signed that I can remember. I also remember people hyping up these guys and we've gotten very little out of them and nothing from Jason.

Btw our 2015 WR class on paper was pretty good with Donald Gray and if you count Malik Heath as a WR.

The WR class we signed this year is better than those guys & the Wr class we've got this year are also eligible.
Not to mention, again, the best QB we've ever signed & along with Simeon Price, who seems legit.

This is the best offensive class we've signed. Not sure it's close

[StarkVegasSteve]

The WR class we signed this year is better than those guys & the Wr class we've got this year are also eligible.
Not to mention, again, the best QB we've ever signed & along with Simeon Price, who seems legit.

This is the best offensive class we've signed. Not sure it's close

Again, you don't know that. Yea their film looks good and they're highly rated, but until they get between those lines it doesn't mean damn thing.

[ShotgunDawg]

Again, you don't know that. Yea their film looks good and they're highly rated, but until they get between those lines it doesn't mean damn thing.

Well yeah. That's fairly obvious, but we'd have nothing to talk about if we just said that about everything

I've never understood people that post what you just posted.

[bulldawg28]

The WR class we signed this year is better than those guys & the Wr class we've got this year are also eligible.
Not to mention, again, the best QB we've ever signed & along with Simeon Price, who seems legit.

This is the best offensive class we've signed. Not sure it's close

Chad Bumphis and his crew 2009 look better on paper than these guys.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well yeah. That's fairly obvious, but we'd have nothing to talk about if we just said that about everything

I've never understood people that post what you just posted.

And all your doing is spinning that this class is the greatest receiver class we've ever had based on stars, how Yancy of you. I'm not saying you can't be excited about the class, but to call them the greatest class of WR we've ever had is nothing more than your opinion so calling everyone else's opinion wrong is pretty shortsighted. Again, we could have 2-3 All SEC 1st teamers out of this class....or we could have none. I'm very high on Jacobi Moore and actually think he will end up being the best of the group.

[Cooterpoot]

Nah, it's the best

You need to research some classes. We've had some damn good ones over the years. Especially the Jackie years.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You need to research some classes. We've had some damn good ones over the years. Especially the Jackie years.

I'd take a Matthew Butler, Terrell Grindle, Kelvin Love, or Larry Huntington over any guy in this class. And yes, that includes Teddy Knox.