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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Gotta love message boards. Kentucky went 8-5 and returns 17 starters. Signed a better recruiting class than us. But our 6-7 ass who returns only 11 starters and has no pass rush is going to go to Kentucky and win because by gosh- we have a Pirate. Hell yeah!!!!
    I don't think it's the Pirate. Pretty sure a lot of folks were predicting this with SloppyMo coming back. Historically speaking we're 1 game up on Ky and that's after Mullen owned them 8 outta 9 years. But ... by gawd we're just much better than them every year.

    Folks don't want to give Stoops credit for establishing a tough, hard-nosed team up there now either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Ugh

    I should've known that a win/loss thread would end up causing the same stupid debates.

    I was hoping this thread would actually discuss the offensive depth chart. Whiff on my part
    I would love to discuss the depth chart. We need a grad transfer qb really bad. If we get Costello we have qb figured out. I like what Leach is doing with the OL especially with Lashley. Hill will be a real threat out of the backfield m. I think Austin Williams and Payton will be the biggest benefactors of this coaching change.

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    I'm waiting to see on depth chart myself. I believe there may be some attrition on the way. And maybe some additions too. At least Lashley and a few Mullen leftovers will know what it's like to work hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    They beat us by 3 TD's at their place in 2018. So you can throw that out the window. And there is very little difference in recruiting at 25th vs 35th. Anything past 15th in the country in recruiting is a guess.
    You are the one that brought recruiting up, genius. No one that beat us in 2018 is there any more. They have gone through 2 quarterbacks since then. We may lose the game. It's not a sure loss and will very much be a tossup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgday166 View Post
    I don't think it's the Pirate. Pretty sure a lot of folks were predicting this with SloppyMo coming back. Historically speaking we're 1 game up on Ky and that's after Mullen owned them 8 outta 9 years. But ... by gawd we're just much better than them every year.

    Folks don't want to give Stoops credit for establishing a tough, hard-nosed team up there now either.
    What I've found with Kentucky is that we just have to play well.

    If we play well, we beat them & there isn't much they can do about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    What I've found with Kentucky is that we just have to play well.

    If we play well, we beat them & there isn't much they can do about it.
    Yep. Outside of 2018 when it was a monsoon and they had the only legit defense they have had in the past 40 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    QB - Costello
    RB - Hill
    WR - Mitchell
    WR - Heath
    WR - Payton
    WR - Tabor/Tulu
    WR - Williams
    LT - Cross/Eiland
    LG - Parker/Smith
    C - Sharp/Smith
    OL - Reese/Pendley
    RT - Lashley/ Dolla Bill
    If the WRs can just run Leach's offense & catch the ball, there's a ton of talent on this offense. That OL may be the most talented Leach has ever coached
    I love that our first 5 games aren't our toughest. Gives this team a great chance to get in a groove before playing the big boys.
    If the WRs improve, which we expect to some degree due to Leach, & the defense is average, this offense can win at least 8 games.
    One thing is for sure... the MSU beat writers will be at spring and preseason practices and make folks believe we should win about 10 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLJWales View Post
    We are going to win more than many skeptics like 34 think. Leach can beat you with his and can beat you with yours. We could not have landed a better guy and Leach knows the capabilities here and that's why he took the gig. The no bullshit genius is about to embark on a very memorable journey where his talent pool is no longer at such disadvantages he had in the past. I've never been so anxious for fall.
    Texas Tech went 6-5 the year before Leach. No bowl game because of lack of bowl games then. Leach went 7-6 the next season thanks to a 12th game being added.

    Washington State was 4-8 the year before Leach. Leach went 3-9 the next season- 1 game worse than the previous coach as he began to flip the roster

    To think he will suddenly improve State by 2-3 games in Year 1 with our roster is lunacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Gotta love message boards. Kentucky went 8-5 and returns 17 starters. Signed a better recruiting class than us. But our 6-7 ass who returns only 11 starters and has no pass rush is going to go to Kentucky and win because by gosh- we have a Pirate. Hell yeah!!!!
    Why can't we just agree that we need to get to 6 wins and then go from there. Let's not start out with unrealistic expectations for CML. However, I would think Kentucky is just as winnable as it is loseable. Let's not act like they are unbeatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennywise View Post
    One thing is for sure... the MSU beat writers will be at spring and preseason practices and make folks believe we should win about 10 games.
    That's fine. I prefer excitement over a black cloud
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    They beat us by 3 TD's at their place in 2018. So you can throw that out the window. And there is very little difference in recruiting at 25th vs 35th. Anything past 15th in the country in recruiting is a guess.
    You're acting like we have the same coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennywise View Post
    One thing is for sure... the MSU beat writers will be at spring and preseason practices and make folks believe we should win about 10 games.
    I don't understand this thinking every year like it seems to be these days. I've thought that in 2014 and 2018. Outside of those years I haven't seen 10 regular season wins any year except maybe 1 or 2 under Jackie.

    Now we got folks predicting 9 or 10 wins regardless of youth/inexperience, young QBs starting, what kind of coaching turnover we have, etc. I just SMH at that.

    We've had like 3 maybe 4 10 win seasons in our entire history I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgday166 View Post
    I don't understand this thinking every year like it seems to be these days. I've thought that in 2014 and 2018. Outside of those years I haven't seen 10 regular season wins any year except maybe 1 or 2 under Jackie.

    Now we got folks predicting 9 or 10 wins regardless of youth/inexperience, young QBs starting, what kind of coaching turnover we have, etc. I just SMH at that.

    We've had like 3 maybe 4 10 win seasons in our entire history I think.
    It's all about the clicks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLJWales View Post
    You're acting like we have the same coach.
    We have hired a better coach. But we are in a rebuilding year in 2020. The "rebuilding year" bullshit JoVester tried to spew for 2019 was ridiculous. Our team in 2019 was better talent-wise and had more experience than ours will be in 2020. 2020 was going to be a rebuild with JoVester. Now, its a rebuild and transition year with Leach.

    We need to hope we win 6 games and keep the bowl streak alive. That will be a good season. Anything better than that is gravy. 8-9 wins aint happening with a completely new offense and a D with no pass rush, weak at LB, and a new Secondary. Especially considering we will play 75 plays a game on D.
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    Bottom line is we won’t know till fall practice gets here. Will players stay? Improve? Players he’ll with new staff? It’s amaz to me people adamant about results next year when we have no clue on so many variables. This decision was made to move us forward in the future. Not necessarily this year. Let things play out in the upcoming months and then the muddy water will settle and become more clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennywise View Post
    One thing is for sure... the MSU beat writers will be at spring and preseason practices and make folks believe we should win about 10 games.
    There are already way to many here that are falling for the fan media bullshit. I don't care who is brought in with a grad transfer there are so many questions to be answered I don't feel good predicting 6 wins. These guys feet are barely on the ground and predicting or expecting 8 wins is just not realistic in any way shape form or fashion. Just grasping and blowing like your brethren to the north.

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    Agree about waiting until we know what happens after Spring. I wont be surprised if we see guys like Austin Williams and a Dontae Jones transfer due to playing time. We bring in a transfer QB and then a guy like Mayden may want out- maybe even Shrader.

    There is going to be some roster shake-up after Spring Practice as guys see they dont fit in the new scheme. Both sides of the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    QB - Costello

    RB - Hill

    WR - Mitchell

    WR - Heath

    WR - Payton

    WR - Tabor/Tulu

    WR - Williams

    LT - Cross/Eiland

    LG - Parker/Smith

    C - Sharp/Smith

    OL - Reese/Pendley

    RT - Lashley/ Dolla Bill

    If the WRs can just run Leach's offense & catch the ball, there's a ton of talent on this offense. That OL may be the most talented Leach has ever coached

    I love that our first 5 games aren't our toughest. Gives this team a great chance to get in a groove before playing the big boys.

    If the WRs improve, which we expect to some degree due to Leach, & the defense is average, this offense can win at least 8 games.
    Who knows? Have to put them out there and see who buys in and gets it. I bet there are some starters not even listed above
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    We'll win 6 no matter what. I'm leaning towards 7. Our schedule isn't terrible. SEC is going to be a little down as far as the top teams (AL returns a lot). If we had LBs I'd feel real good.
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