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[dawgday166]

The one that knows how to scheme against the passing game.

Football has changed over the past 5 years or so. There are many famous DCs that simply wouldn't be all that effective against today's offenses as their defenses were designed to stop the run.

You definitely have to control the running game, but I'd love for Bama & LSU to shorten the game & run on us.

I think that may be why this is taking so long. He wants to find someone who could cause issues for his offense thus cause issues for the new Bama & LSU offenses. There just ain't a ton of those available.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The # 1 thing that I've been concerned with is the S&C Department. THAT will make the difference in what we are gonna see in 2020. The most important transition is afoot. Lets all be glad.

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

[dawgday166]

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

The new S&C coach actually made them wear T shirts and shorts outside?? I like it.

[HailStateSZN19]

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

I saw Banks tweet that he liked what he heard from the S&C program this morning so I’m assuming that’s what he was talking about. I like it!! Kick their asses and get em in SEC shape!

[BuckyIsAB****]

The new S&C coach actually made them wear T shirts and shorts outside?? I like it.

Brown is a badass. Leach knows what it takes to compete and it starts in January. He is a big S&C guy

[maroonmania]

I think the Newberry deal was about living location honestly. These younger coaches and families dont want to be in rural MS when they have a choice.

Well that just sounds dumb. Newberry needed to interview in Key West and on campus before he could figure out he didn't want to live in rural MS? Can he not look at a map and see where Starkville is located? If that was the reason, seems he could have told Leach that right off the bat before wasting everyone's time.

[maroonmania]

The rest? It?s McBath and one other guy. And the other guy (Phelps) has been a Power 5 DL coach for nine years. He?s got a good resume.

I don?t think it?s fair to evaluate the staff as a whole until it?s finished, but I don?t have a problem with either of the WSU guys he is bringing so far. Don?t think either or those guys are bad coaches at all. Now I would feel differently if the last two hires are both WSU guys, but that seems really unlikely.

Better hope not, because as of today every position filled that I know of is either a WSU bring along guy or Tony Hughes. We haven't hired anyone else that I know of and there are maybe 2 positions to fill (DC and LB coach).

[BuckyIsAB****]

Better hope not, because as of today every position filled that I know of is either a WSU bring along guy or Tony Hughes. We haven't hired anyone else that I know of and there are maybe 2 positions to fill (DC and LB coach).

I think this may spook some of the big dawgs off. But Leach's coaching tree speaks for itself. He knows what he is doing

[OLJWales]

Quick dumbass question for those who are aware of what's happening these days in Vegas.

What type of grocery options are there in Vegas for fresh seafood and shit? Nothing but frozen shit at Walmart?

Also, the casino in Philly, Silver Star. Do they still have that 4 star restaurant that allows unadulterated gluttony in seafood consumption? top notch shit and such? I did pay those guys a visit back in the late 90's and it was 1st rate.

[Really Clark?]

Yeah I agree. I was really hoping that Leach would understand you can't just outscore people in the SEC. Especially not at MS state. I'm pretty concerned at this point that he's doesn't seem to be putting a lot of stock in defense and recruiting, which doesn't set up well for success. Ive lost my erection after the Leach hire.

What? He and the staff have been hitting the trail, meeting recruits and commits, extending a lot of offers...they are putting a lot of stock in recruiting.

[Mjoelner34]

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

Then they would have really hated playing baseball for the IB. I remember during pre-game warmups for one of the early season games, our guys were on the field practicing taking leads and diving back to the base and were kicking up water when they would dive and it was like 37 degrees out there. I've always wondered what was going through the other team's mind as they were bundled up in their dugout. I'm betting it was "We're about to get our asses kicked by these crazy mo-fos!"

[OneWhoWas]

I agree. I like Darcel McBath he is a good coach and was a great player at TTU. He will be a good one here if he is coming like the word is. But the rest Im not big on at all. This is the first thing I've had some worries about since we hired Leach

McBath may be one of the reasons we can't get a DC to commit to us.
Word on the street at WSU was that he doesn't play well with others.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...s-resignation/

Halliday, still well-connected within the Cougars football program, said on a podcast episode that was published Tuesday. "They were at each other's throat like every day and after the UCLA game, Darcel, in the middle of practice, was just questioning everything Claeys was doing. So finally Claeys said, 'If you don't like the way I'm running things, I'll (expletive) leave.' Claeys called him on everyone's bluff and nothing changed."

[HoopsDawg]

McBath may be one of the reasons we can't get a DC to commit to us.
Word on the street at WSU was that he doesn't play well with others.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...s-resignation/

This ain't good....at all. Just don't understand why Leach wouldn't take the assistant pool and go with a fresh start on D. At least hire the DC first!! Other than keeping Hughes of course.

[bobcat91]

This ain't good....at all. Just don't understand why Leach wouldn't take the assistant pool and go with a fresh start on D. At least hire the DC first!! Other than keeping Hughes of course.

Or you have a disgruntled player talking crap. The DC was fired for sucking, not fights with other coaches. He gave up a 30 point lead and lost to UCLA by letting them score 67. Not buying the other crap

[Really Clark?]

McBath may be one of the reasons we can't get a DC to commit to us.
Word on the street at WSU was that he doesn't play well with others.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...s-resignation/

And yet the DL coach Phelps, who coached under Claeys for years at Minn, has no problem staying with this staff including McBath and coming here. Word is the whole staff was having issues with his complex strategies for games and questioning him. They believed they needed to simplify the scheme and have players attacking more.

[Commercecomet24]

And yet the DL coach Phelps, who coached under Claeys for years at Minn, has no problem staying with this staff including McBath and coming here. Word is the whole staff was having issues with his complex strategies for games and questioning him. They believed they needed to simplify the scheme and have players attacking more.

Yeah watching how bad the WSU defense was this year you can see how one might question the DCs plans and execution.

Kinda sound like the JoMo of DC's lol

[Todd4State]

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

That's payback for me going to the Music City Bowl and having to watch that "effort" from the team.

I feel like I'm even with them now.

[Todd4State]

That last sentence may be true, but I disagree, I think it's a problem for us.

Well Starkville isn't that bad honestly first of all. The reputation of Starkville as a college town is growing and it keeps getting better and better. I'm not sure what all we would do for a DC but a housing allowance and use of a private plane probably isn't out of the question if we feel like the guy is good enough to warrant it. I would imagine that a majority of the head coaches in the SEC either have a vacation home or just work in whatever college town they are employed in. As much as coordinators are starting to get paid it's only a matter of time before it's the same for them too.

Well it's obvious we missed on at least 1 target now. Being turned down by navy's DC isn't great optics at the very least. Not saying it's time to panic, but concern is more than fair

We don't need to worry about "optics". We need to worry about getting the best coach here. What did the "optics" look like when Napier and Judge turned us down....and then what are the "optics" now that we have hired Leach? Worrying about optics is how programs end up like Ole Miss.

Still plenty of good DC options out there. If a guy turns us down I'm not worried about it because I would rather have someone here that wants to be here and is OK with the set-up rather than have someone that doesn't fit or isn't happy. That applies beyond football when you're talking about jobs. Napier is a good example- I think now that we have kind of vetted out the process and can look back and how everything went down most are pretty happy with Leach and to me it sounds like Napier wasn't the best fit for us. Most likely would have ended up like Dan Mullen where we have a coach that would look to leave as soon as he had any kind of success here. Another example that comes to mind is Croom. I remember hearing that LT basically had to beg him to take our job and I believe Croom's daughter talked him into taking our job. The result was a guy that didn't really want to be here and looked down on us when compared to Alabama which automatically limited our ceiling because the buy in wasn't there at the head coaching level. That's what can happen with a bad fit.

It sounds to me like Newberry just wasn't a good fit for both. Doesn't make him bad- just means he doesn't fit. Honestly it's a little risky as far as chemistry to bring in a bunch of Leach guys and then a bunch of Newberry guys. Could have very well become offense vs defense sort of like the Bears had with Mike Ditka and Buddy Ryan. I know that worked out in 1985 but it's a recipe for division which usually doesn't work out.

Personally I would bring in Bateman because IMO he's the best fit for us. If that doesn't work out I ask Rocky Long to come in which I think will work at least short term because of his age but he also has head coaching experience and I think if he's given autonomy like Leach would do he would be very good here.

The other thing to remember here as far as optics go- Leach is obviously going to handle most of this from Key West. We're probably talking to people that our insiders have no clue about. They can't just show up to Harvey's and oh look there's Jay Bateman or whoever. The other thing is after the Egg Bowl Cohen has obviously put things on lock down as far as info getting out. The Napier stuff getting out created a lot of ill will when Moorhead was retained after the Egg Bowl. And may have interfered down the line as well. And then the media has been basically pretty limited since Horka's hit piece on Michael Story in August. In other words there's probably not a lot of info getting out right now. I'm guessing we'll hire someone in about a week or so though. I'll just have to endure the meltdown in the meantime- heck, we had people upset that our head coaching search lasted five days or whatever it was because Cohen "didn't have someone in place ready to go". Should be fun.**

[Todd4State]

And yet the DL coach Phelps, who coached under Claeys for years at Minn, has no problem staying with this staff including McBath and coming here. Word is the whole staff was having issues with his complex strategies for games and questioning him. They believed they needed to simplify the scheme and have players attacking more.

Leach was going to have to find a new DC either way. I'm haven't heard if Roc Bellantoni is going to be on staff yet? I wonder if he wants the DC job and Leach wants someone else.

[Walkerhill]

McBath may be one of the reasons we can't get a DC to commit to us.
Word on the street at WSU was that he doesn't play well with others.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...s-resignation/

Three things:
1) This interview was refuted by others, including staff and former players. After scoring 63 and losing, the coaches should be figuring it out intensely, but other reports denied any personal or abnormal bickering.

2) Connor Halliday had been out of the program for 5 years and has a history of me-first attention seeking interviews. Grain of salt is needed.

3) Tracy Claes dropped down to position coach at his next stop at UVA. If a DC position had been on offer anywhere, gotta assume he would have taken it. That does not speak to unfair treatment at WSU.

We should be careful as State fans reading too much into these types of sound bit s with the full story, especially when it is readily available.