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Originally Posted by
DeviousDawg
He would recruit in the 25-30 range, same as Mullen, maybe dip down below 20 once every couple classes, and also up to 35ish every now and again, but on average he would recruit at the level that we have always recruited. He is gonna get his guys like Mullen, just like Mullen.
Washington State has a recruiting profile closer to Southern Miss than Mississippi State, and honestly Southern Miss may have a better recruiting profile over the last 20 years. Looking at WSU's all time recruit list, they have signed and enrolled 10 4-stars since recruiting rankings begin around the new millennium. 5 of those were signed by Leach. They have never signed a 5 star. We think it's hard for us to recruit, we have no idea.
In short, it's WSU, not Leach that recruits poorly. Also, you can look at that glass half empty if you want, or you can look at it and say, wow Leach has only had 5 4-stars enroll since he started there, and he still has built a program that competes on a national scale. Leach would be a YUGEEEEEEEEEE hire. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
At Texas Tech, Leach was recruiting in the 33-45 range. The two years after were both in the 20s. So Texas Tech recruiting improved when he left.
Washington St is last or within the bottom three in the Pac 12 in recruiting almost every year under Leach. His best recruiting class at Washington St is with an average star rating of 2.88 on rivals which was around 8th or 9th in the Pac 12.
Not sure if he can overcome the recruiting short fall that would be in the SEC. It is a lot easier to coach them up when your recruiting at a level of 35-40 when the average team in the PAC 12 is closer to top 25 level talent vs the SEC having top 10-15 talent.
I wouldn't hate the hire but it wouldn't surprise me if Leach never won more than 7 games at MSU.
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
At Texas Tech, Leach was recruiting in the 33-45 range. The two years after were both in the 20s. So Texas Tech recruiting improved when he left.
Washington St is last or within the bottom three in the Pac 12 in recruiting almost every year under Leach. His best recruiting class at Washington St is with an average star rating of 2.88 on rivals which was around 8th or 9th in the Pac 12.
Not sure if he can overcome the recruiting short fall that would be in the SEC. It is a lot easier to coach them up when your recruiting at a level of 35-40 when the average team in the PAC 12 is closer to top 25 level talent vs the SEC having top 10-15 talent.
I wouldn't hate the hire but it wouldn't surprise me if Leach never won more than 7 games at MSU.
Take a step back and read what you posted. He recruited in the 35-40 range and won the number of games he did. That is impressive. That means he can coach. He does more with less. That's what state has to have. Any coach can win with top recruiting classes and at big programs.
What Leach has done is impressive as hell, as your research has just demonstrated
Not only did Mississippi State embarrass LSU on this night. Davis Wade Stadium wrecked Tiger Stadium in music choice, atmosphere and, most of all, volume.
When I'm 80 and deaf, it's not going to be all those Springsteen concerts or Queen at Municipal Auditorium in New Orleans on Halloween Night in 1978, it will be this game...............Glen Guilbeau--Sherveport Times
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Originally Posted by
Spiderman
Take a step back and read what you posted. He recruited in the 35-40 range and won the number of games he did. That is impressive. That means he can coach. He does more with less. That's what state has to have. Any coach can win with top recruiting classes and at big programs.
What Leach has done is impressive as hell, as your research has just demonstrated
Bingo. That's what I noticed too when I did my research was a more with less coach. If Shoop were to stay we might could be in high cotton with Leach.
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Originally Posted by
Spiderman
Take a step back and read what you posted. He recruited in the 35-40 range and won the number of games he did. That is impressive. That means he can coach. He does more with less. That's what state has to have. Any coach can win with top recruiting classes and at big programs.
What Leach has done is impressive as hell, as your research has just demonstrated
No doubt that he is a great coach and does more with less. My worry is that our recruiting wouldn't stay in the 20-25 range. I am worried that the level of recruits that he brings in won't be enough to compete. There is only so much coaching up and scheming that you can do. At some point you have to have Jimmy and Joes rather than Xs and Os.
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
No doubt that he is a great coach and does more with less. My worry is that our recruiting wouldn't stay in the 20-25 range. I am worried that the level of recruits that he brings in won't be enough to compete. There is only so much coaching up and scheming that you can do. At some point you have to have Jimmy and Joes rather than Xs and Os.
. I'll just say this Leach has a 60% winning percentage at TT and Wazzou. Sark was 56% at Washington and USC.
Which 2 schools are easier to recruit to and win at?
Not only did Mississippi State embarrass LSU on this night. Davis Wade Stadium wrecked Tiger Stadium in music choice, atmosphere and, most of all, volume.
When I'm 80 and deaf, it's not going to be all those Springsteen concerts or Queen at Municipal Auditorium in New Orleans on Halloween Night in 1978, it will be this game...............Glen Guilbeau--Sherveport Times
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Originally Posted by
Spiderman
. I'll just say this Leach has a 60% winning percentage at TT and Wazzou. Sark was 56% at Washington and USC.
Which 2 schools are easier to recruit to and win at?
See Coach34's post above. I am not sold on Leach's offense working in the SEC. That offense was close to what UK ran with Couch and they were only a bowl team with NFL level QBs and even then wasn't a great SEC team. I am not saying Leach would be a bust but I could see us going back to only beating UM, UK, or Ark on a regular schedule.
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Originally Posted by
Spiderman
. I'll just say this Leach has a 60% winning percentage at TT and Wazzou. Sark was 56% at Washington and USC.
Which 2 schools are easier to recruit to and win at?
Boom. This should be stickied at the top of the forum.
(Unless we hire Sark and need to rally around him, of course.)
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Originally Posted by
Spiderman
. I'll just say this Leach has a 60% winning percentage at TT and Wazzou. Sark was 56% at Washington and USC.
Which 2 schools are easier to recruit to and win at?
Washington was 0-12 the year before Sark took over. The were literally the worst team in the P5 and one of the worst in D1. USC was at the depth of the destruction left by the NCAA and Kiffen.
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Originally Posted by
Liverpooldawg
Washington was 0-12 the year before Sark took over. The were literally the worst team in the P5 and one of the worst in D1. USC was at the depth of the destruction left by the NCAA and Kiffen.
Second worst. The worst team in P5 was easily the Washington State program that ... [checks Wikipedia] ... Mike Leach took over and miraculously turned around and took to greater heights than Sark ever took Washington.
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Originally Posted by
Liverpooldawg
Washington was 0-12 the year before Sark took over. The were literally the worst team in the P5 and one of the worst in D1. USC was at the depth of the destruction left by the NCAA and Kiffen.
Washington St was just as bad when Leach took over, and had less money and was harder to recruit to. In Leach's first year at Wazzou, he beat Sark, who was in his forth year at Washington.
Not only did Mississippi State embarrass LSU on this night. Davis Wade Stadium wrecked Tiger Stadium in music choice, atmosphere and, most of all, volume.
When I'm 80 and deaf, it's not going to be all those Springsteen concerts or Queen at Municipal Auditorium in New Orleans on Halloween Night in 1978, it will be this game...............Glen Guilbeau--Sherveport Times
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Originally Posted by
Spiderman
Washington St was just as bad when Leach took over, and had less money and was harder to recruit to. In Leach's first year at Wazzou, he beat Sark, who was in his forth year at Washington.
Damn Spidey .. you making some damn good points here too. You know Leach pretty well seems like.
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