Leach will be a disaster...

[DLGDawg]

Of a hire. Yeah I know there are other threads talking about him. But I didn't see one that says hiring Leach will be a disaster.

Please. Someone step up and take Cohens phone and keys away from him.
(If only half of what's being reported he's doing )

[preachermatt83]

Leach would be a grandslam

[Quaoarsking]

A disaster ... for our opponents.

[Churchill]

The only coach kinda like Leach I've seen succeed in the SEC had an alligator on his visor and Florida/soon to be NFL talent on the sideline....for that reason I would be very skeptical about Leach at MOST SEC schools.

[Mobile Bay]

The only coach kinda like Leach I've seen succeed in the SEC had an alligator on his visor and Florida/soon to be NFL talent on the sideline....for that reason I would be very skeptical about Leach at MOST SEC schools.

If you are talking about Spurrier, remember that coach led his #1 team in the nation to Starkville. When it was 3rd and 57, his QB ran out the back of the endzone in surrender.

[Maroonthirteen]

If you are talking about Spurrier, remember that coach led his #1 team in the nation to Starkville. When it was 3rd and 57, his QB ran out the back of the endzone in surrender.

Hahahahaha. Spurrier was so frustrated in that moment. "F it, take a safety". Which if I recall correctly.... was a horrible decision given the score and time left. He lost his sh**. It was glorious.

[reno hightower]

Of a hire. Yeah I know there are other threads talking about him. But I didn't see one that says hiring Leach will be a disaster.

Please. Someone step up and take Cohens phone and keys away from him.
(If only half of what's being reported he's doing )

Examples on why this will be a disaster??

[Commercecomet24]

Examples on why this will be a disaster??

OT I like your handle. That's one of my favorite movies!

[defiantdog]

This hire would be great because he would always win the press conference and how can you get mad at this guy?

[DeviousDawg]

Of a hire. Yeah I know there are other threads talking about him. But I didn't see one that says hiring Leach will be a disaster.

Please. Someone step up and take Cohens phone and keys away from him.
(If only half of what's being reported he's doing )

Did Momma ground you from your Black Bear stuffed animal "Colonel Rebear". I know losing your favorite little furry friend "Baby Shark" was tough, but I hope you can survive without both of your best furry friends.

If you aren't a troll, please expound on why it will be a disaster rather than just simply spewing the words out of your ignorant ass mouth. I know it must be unBearable to see State hire a real coach. Maybe you can pull out your secret weapon "Lane the Toy Train" and ride him straight to bed.

This board is just awful right now. Ignorance everywhere

[Tbonewannabe]

His recruiting is between 44 - 60. No chance that level recruiting makes you competitive. He might can coach his ass off but bottom line is you have to at least have a minimum talent level to compete in the SEC West.

[DeviousDawg]

His recruiting is between 44 - 60. No chance that level recruiting makes you competitive. He might can coach his ass off but bottom line is you have to at least have a minimum talent level to compete in the SEC West.

He would recruit in the 25-30 range, same as Mullen, maybe dip down below 20 once every couple classes, and also up to 35ish every now and again, but on average he would recruit at the level that we have always recruited. He is gonna get his guys like Mullen, just like Mullen.

Washington State has a recruiting profile closer to Southern Miss than Mississippi State, and honestly Southern Miss may have a better recruiting profile over the last 20 years. Looking at WSU's all time recruit list, they have signed and enrolled 10 4-stars since recruiting rankings begin around the new millennium. 5 of those were signed by Leach. They have never signed a 5 star. We think it's hard for us to recruit, we have no idea.

In short, it's WSU, not Leach that recruits poorly. Also, you can look at that glass half empty if you want, or you can look at it and say, wow Leach has only had 5 4-stars enroll since he started there, and he still has built a program that competes on a national scale. Leach would be a YUGEEEEEEEEEE hire. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

[Tbonewannabe]

He would recruit in the 25-30 range, same as Mullen, maybe dip down below 20 once every couple classes, and also up to 35ish every now and again, but on average he would recruit at the level that we have always recruited. He is gonna get his guys like Mullen, just like Mullen.

Washington State has a recruiting profile closer to Southern Miss than Mississippi State, and honestly Southern Miss may have a better recruiting profile over the last 20 years. Looking at WSU's all time recruit list, they have signed and enrolled 10 4-stars since recruiting rankings begin around the new millennium. 5 of those were signed by Leach. They have never signed a 5 star. We think it's hard for us to recruit, we have no idea.

In short, it's WSU, not Leach that recruits poorly. Also, you can look at that glass half empty if you want, or you can look at it and say, wow Leach has only had 5 4-stars enroll since he started there, and he still has built a program that competes on a national scale. Leach would be a YUGEEEEEEEEEE hire. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

At Texas Tech, Leach was recruiting in the 33-45 range. The two years after were both in the 20s. So Texas Tech recruiting improved when he left.

Washington St is last or within the bottom three in the Pac 12 in recruiting almost every year under Leach. His best recruiting class at Washington St is with an average star rating of 2.88 on rivals which was around 8th or 9th in the Pac 12.

Not sure if he can overcome the recruiting short fall that would be in the SEC. It is a lot easier to coach them up when your recruiting at a level of 35-40 when the average team in the PAC 12 is closer to top 25 level talent vs the SEC having top 10-15 talent.

I wouldn't hate the hire but it wouldn't surprise me if Leach never won more than 7 games at MSU.

[Spiderman]

At Texas Tech, Leach was recruiting in the 33-45 range. The two years after were both in the 20s. So Texas Tech recruiting improved when he left.

Washington St is last or within the bottom three in the Pac 12 in recruiting almost every year under Leach. His best recruiting class at Washington St is with an average star rating of 2.88 on rivals which was around 8th or 9th in the Pac 12.

Not sure if he can overcome the recruiting short fall that would be in the SEC. It is a lot easier to coach them up when your recruiting at a level of 35-40 when the average team in the PAC 12 is closer to top 25 level talent vs the SEC having top 10-15 talent.

I wouldn't hate the hire but it wouldn't surprise me if Leach never won more than 7 games at MSU.

Take a step back and read what you posted. He recruited in the 35-40 range and won the number of games he did. That is impressive. That means he can coach. He does more with less. That's what state has to have. Any coach can win with top recruiting classes and at big programs.

What Leach has done is impressive as hell, as your research has just demonstrated

[dawgday166]

Take a step back and read what you posted. He recruited in the 35-40 range and won the number of games he did. That is impressive. That means he can coach. He does more with less. That's what state has to have. Any coach can win with top recruiting classes and at big programs.

What Leach has done is impressive as hell, as your research has just demonstrated

Bingo. That's what I noticed too when I did my research was a more with less coach. If Shoop were to stay we might could be in high cotton with Leach.

[Tbonewannabe]

Take a step back and read what you posted. He recruited in the 35-40 range and won the number of games he did. That is impressive. That means he can coach. He does more with less. That's what state has to have. Any coach can win with top recruiting classes and at big programs.

What Leach has done is impressive as hell, as your research has just demonstrated

No doubt that he is a great coach and does more with less. My worry is that our recruiting wouldn't stay in the 20-25 range. I am worried that the level of recruits that he brings in won't be enough to compete. There is only so much coaching up and scheming that you can do. At some point you have to have Jimmy and Joes rather than Xs and Os.

[DeviousDawg]

Right now, this program and our fanbase needs a shot of adrenaline more than anything. Get everything back on track, get a good FOOTBALL COACH in there and the rest will take care of itself. The risk is miniscule compared to that with Judge, Grantham, Sark, and even Napier. He will win games here and that's what we need, along with something to be excited about.

[Anonymous]

His recruiting is between 44 - 60. No chance that level recruiting makes you competitive. He might can coach his ass off but bottom line is you have to at least have a minimum talent level to compete in the SEC West.

Exactly, his recruiting is 44-60, and he still wins. Now imagine what he could do here with top 20-30 classes.

We need an offensive guy who can put up points against anyone. Given even a decent DC, our defense will always be fairly good due to where we are. Look at the talent that comes out of Mississippi, and specifically to State over the last 20 years, the state is an absolute hotbed for defensive recruiting. That talent isn't going anywhere, it's in the state every year. We need a coach who can bring in what we don't already home grow organically, which is an elite passing game.

[Tbonewannabe]

Exactly, his recruiting is 44-60, and he still wins. Now imagine what he could do here with top 20-30 classes.

We need an offensive guy who can put up points against anyone. Given even a decent DC, our defense will always be fairly good due to where we are. Look at the talent that comes out of Mississippi, and specifically to State over the last 20 years, the state is an absolute hotbed for defensive recruiting. That talent isn't going anywhere, it's in the state every year. We need a coach who can bring in what we don't already home grow organically, which is an elite passing game.

The more I think about Leach, the more I am warming up to him. I am just so damn scared to get another "offensive genius" whose offense doesn't work in the SEC.

Napier's offense is very similar to Mullen's offense. Sark has been in the SEC for a while now. Grantham knows the SEC well and supposedly will bring a guy to run the spread like Mullen. Hudspeth runs a version of the spread and we kind of know what he would do. Leach just seems like a wild card. The wild card can win for you or randomly cut your brakes and jump out of the back of the van (Always Sunny reference for anyone interested).

[deadheaddawg]

Leach would be great

Napier, Sark, or Leach would all be great hires