Quick Thoughts That No One Cares About...

[ShotgunDawg]

- You can't compete at the highest level of college football without elite WR play. Problem is that the vast majority of those are extremely highly recruited. Due to the size/speed necessity for someone to be an elite WR, it'll be tough to just out evaluate blue bloods for these guys. Collectively, somehow someway the MSU family needs to collectively find a way to make sure our program ALWAYS has at least 1 of these guys. Don't have to sign one every year, but you have no chance of scoring vs these blue bloods without one.

- I thought the incomplete pass in Clemson game was the correct call but refs are put in a bad position on these types of plays. On one hand, everyone wants to let these plays play out so the fumble and result can be played through the whistle. However, by doing that the conundrum is that the call on the field must be a fumble, which puts the refs in a tough position of having to find conclusive evidence to overturn a game changing play. It's just a tough spot where the "conclusive evidence" benchmark works against the spirit of what we want the refs to do.

- Targeting needs to be changed to a soccer style yellow car, red card system. 2 minor targetings or 1 egregious targeting equals a red and disqualification

- The playoff must expand. YES, that will lead to many first round blowouts, but it'll ensure that the correct teams reach the final 4 and it'll give numerous other programs something to play for and from which to recruit. Combine an expansion and a reduction of scholarships and college football will reach a popularity level in this country that it never dreamed of.

- LSU is better than Clemson, but, due to Clemson's continuity on the coaching staff and program culture, I'm somewhat convinced that Clemson may be the most well coached program in college football history. You'd be an idiot to count them out vs LSU.

- Joe needs a big win tomorrow. The corner has to be turned at some point. May as well start tomorrow.

That's all I got to say.

[Mjoelner34]

Give me 3 Coxie's from Memphis (3 *) vs. 1 (5*) and 2 other guys who can't outrun me. I think it would take an entire quality receiving core here instead of 1 elite and 2 typical MSU receivers and just like we have to do with most recruits, that means finding diamonds in the rough and coaching them up and I have zero faith in the current staff doing the latter.

[Quaoarsking]

Instead of reducing everyone's scholarships, just reduce the scholarships for 1 year for teams who make the playoffs. That way, you're not preventing thousands of people from getting an education, but you do make dynasties harder to put together.

[BrunswickDawg]

You are dead wrong on the approach to WR. We aren't going to get those guys. Period. The only chance is if they are MS guys and we find a way not to blow it with them (see Brown, AJ).

That does not mean we can't have a downfield game - follow the model Mjoelner says and we can be ok. The current state of our WR corps falls squarely on Mullen AND Moorhead.

The other part of that is you have to get creative in the passing game when you don't have talent at WR. It seems like we always have talented pass catching RBs and TE who we simply haven't used over the past 5-8 years. I don't think we have used a RB screen since the Michigan Gator Bowl win (where we destroyed them with screens). We had an NFL talent at TE in Jordan Thomas and we threw the ball to him twice a game at most. We threw the ball less to Kylin this year than last year. Using all of your tools is how you take pressure off a less talented WR corps and open up the passing game. It ain't rocket surgery.

[ShotgunDawg]

Instead of reducing everyone's scholarships, just reduce the scholarships for 1 year for teams who make the playoffs. That way, you're not preventing thousands of people from getting an education, but you do make dynasties harder to put together.

Not one less kid would be getting a scholarship. Just reallocate they to other sports. We've discussed this

[ShotgunDawg]

You are dead wrong on the approach to WR. We aren't going to get those guys. Period. The only chance is if they are MS guys and we find a way not to blow it with them (see Brown, AJ).

That does not mean we can't have a downfield game - follow the model Mjoelner says and we can be ok. The current state of our WR corps falls squarely on Mullen AND Moorhead.

The other part of that is you have to get creative in the passing game when you don't have talent at WR. It seems like we always have talented pass catching RBs and TE who we simply haven't used over the past 5-8 years. I don't think we have used a RB screen since the Michigan Gator Bowl win (where we destroyed them with screens). We had an NFL talent at TE in Jordan Thomas and we threw the ball to him twice a game at most. We threw the ball less to Kylin this year than last year. Using all of your tools is how you take pressure off a less talented WR corps and open up the passing game. It ain't rocket surgery.

I disagree. I think we can land some top WRs every so often you if we prioritized it in a collective effort

Furthermore, I'm super sick and tired of MSU fans putting limits on what we're capable of. Putting limits on such prevent the effort to accomplish things. It's a complete loser mentality that infects our fanbase and state. Completely cancerous

[ShotgunDawg]

Additionally, we're about to be a $120+ million athletic department. You mean we can't expand the recruiting base to more than 2 hours from Starkville and figure this out?

[OLJWales]

We just need to go 1/2 steam network ole miss / freezus style and we should be ok. that should get us an AJ Brown / Paidwell type of WR every other year without upsetting the blue bloods enough for them to cry foul.

[vv83]

We just need to go 1/2 steam network ole miss / freezus style and we should be ok. that should get us an AJ Brown / Paidwell type of WR every other year without upsetting the blule blood enough to cry foul.

I think this is the answer. We need to use all this extra ABC money to absolutely lock down MS. Make it where we get the top 7-9 in MS every year no matter what. Let ole miss go recruit nationally and we play dirty in state. If Alabama, auburn, LSU want someone from MS they’ll have to seriously pay up. If we keep it limited to MS I don’t think the NCAA will ever care.

[Quaoarsking]

Not one less kid would be getting a scholarship. Just reallocate they to other sports. We've discussed this

It would be though, because most schools don't max out the scholarships in other sports anyway outside the P5. They will gladly pocket the money for those 10 or whatever scholarships and not redistribute them to anyone.

[BrunswickDawg]

I disagree. I think we can land some top WRs every so often you if we prioritized it in a collective effort

Furthermore, I'm super sick and tired of MSU fans putting limits on what we're capable of. Putting limits on such prevent the effort to accomplish things. It's a complete loser mentality that infects our fanbase and state. Completely cancerous

No one said we can't sign top receivers - but you were specific about 5 stars. And 5 stars aren't going to happen. On average there are 4 5 star WR a year. Going back to 2000, MS has produced exactly 1 5 star WR (DeAndre Brown - '08 - USM. Only 2 5 star WR have ever signed with a MS school - Brown (USM) and Treadwell. So creating an unrealistic expectation that it is going to start happening regularly for MSU is dumb.

That being said - there is WR talent in MS that we have missed on and it has killed us. Lock in AJ Brown, Jaylen Smith, etc and they are game changers for MSU over the past few years. That's where we should focus effort instead of chasing some unicorn 5 star.

[ShotgunDawg]

No one said we can't sign top receivers - but you were specific about 5 stars. And 5 stars aren't going to happen. On average there are 4 5 star WR a year. Going back to 2000, MS has produced exactly 1 5 star WR (DeAndre Brown - '08 - USM. Only 2 5 star WR have ever signed with a MS school - Brown (USM) and Treadwell. So creating an unrealistic expectation that it is going to start happening regularly for MSU is dumb.

That being said - there is WR talent in MS that we have missed on and it has killed us. Lock in AJ Brown, Jaylen Smith, etc and they are game changers for MSU over the past few years. That's where we should focus effort instead of chasing some unicorn 5 star.

The problem with you "realistic" guys is that you are only realistic based on your past experience with MSU. However, we now have money and a profile that we've never had. Therefore, it should stand to reason that we are potentially capable of things we have never done.

Being realistic is just a mask for a lack of imagination and willingness to push the envelope to figure out a way.

[BrunswickDawg]

The problem with you "realistic" guys is that you are only realistic based on your past experience with MSU. However, we now have money and a profile that we've never had. Therefore, it should stand to reason that we are potentially capable of things we have never done.

Being realistic is just a mask for a lack of imagination and willingness to push the envelope to figure out a way.

Whatever. Being realistic allowed Jackie to build to '97-'99, allowed Dan to build for '14-'15, and '17-'18. Realistically AJ Brown and Jaylen Smith on MSU from '16-'18 is the difference in challenging the conference elite and not. Realistically, the talent is within our footprint to make a run - but we have to out recruit our competition for it. We stand a far greater chance of doing that than landing a 5 star WR from Florida, Illinois or Texas every 3 years.

[ShotgunDawg]

Whatever. Being realistic allowed Jackie to build to '97-'99, allowed Dan to build for '14-'15, and '17-'18. Realistically AJ Brown and Jaylen Smith on MSU from '16-'18 is the difference in challenging the conference elite and not. Realistically, the talent is within our footprint to make a run - but we have to out recruit our competition for it. We stand a far greater chance of doing that than landing a 5 star WR from Florida, Illinois or Texas every 3 years.

Why can't you do both?

[Dawgfan77]

The real answer is better evaluation. Bradley at ULL was from Ackerman Baylis from Laurel smith from gula and Memphis has made a living off MS kids. No reasons those guys aren?t at MSU

[DogsofAnarchy]

The real answer is better evaluation. Bradley at ULL was from Ackerman Baylis from Laurel smith from gula and Memphis has made a living off MS kids. No reasons those guys aren?t at MSU

There is a reason. Grades.

[HoopsDawg]

Legit 4 star receivers are good enough in a competent scheme.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Cohen has slashed our Football Recruiting budget.... our budget is less than $500K.... the SEC Average is $1.3 Million for Football Recruiting.

[HoopsDawg]

Cohen has slashed our Football Recruiting budget.... our budget is less than $500K.... the SEC Average is $1.3 Million for Football Recruiting.

That's a massive discrepancy. Where does that extra money go?

[HoopsDawg]

Also, Shotgun, the officials can let the play finish and still rule it an incomplete pass.