THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[ShotgunDawg]

Again I don't disagree but you're doing a disservice to the Janari Dean's & Jakivuan Brown's of this class just calling them same old 3*. Also guys like Marcus Murphy, Fabian Lovett, Errol Thompson, Darryl Williams, Stewart Reese, Cam Dantzler etc. Yes they were 3* but their offer sheet showed that college coaches knew they were legit. That's why we have to be careful to differentiate from those bottom tier 3* who are projects or diamonds & these 3* who are the backup guys for LSU Bama UGA etc. We can win a lot of games with those 3* mixed in with 4 & 5* guys.

Fair enough.

I think 247 could benefit from adding a 3.5 star that gives a boost to the 87-90 rated players

[ShotgunDawg]

But, after a decade of bowls, at some point, the expectation has to ratchet up some.

This is my opinion as well. Some just want to be a development program though

[Ifyouonlyknew]

This is my opinion as well. Some just want to be a development program though

I don't think that's the goal either. We've long talked about to really recruit well we have to recruit better OOS. Mullen signed 6 4* OOS players from 09-17. So far JoeMo has signed 3 has 1 committed & sit well with 2 more. So again we can't say he's recruiting the same when after 2 years & a couple months it's a realistic thought that he could match the higher end OOS recruiting that Mullen did in 8 years. Progress is being made but of course it's not fast enough or loud enough for some & I get that.

[Cowbell]

When Mullen was here, stars matter. Mullen gone, stars don't matter

Would stop with the ex-girlfriend comparisons. You need to decide whether you want to be a Dawg or a Gator and move on. Appreciate some of your comments but you got to let it go.

[msstate7]

Never mind

[BrunswickDawg]

Fair enough.

I think 247 could benefit from adding a 3.5 star that gives a boost to the 87-90 rated players

Or they should do away with the 268 cap on 4*s that they give. https://247sports.com/college/appala...anation-81574/. Right now, 247 has 351 players rated 4* or better in the composite rankings. By their own system, that means that 51 players who are 4*s today in the composite aren't considered 4*s by 247. That tells you how much subjectivity there is in the evaluations and as we all know it is not an exact science.

Who would you rather have had as a QB at MSU in the 2011 class? 5* Jeff Driskel or 3* Dak Prescott? Which rating was correct in terms of performance and potential?

[msstate7]

Or they should do away with the 268 cap on 4*s that they give. https://247sports.com/college/appala...anation-81574/. Right now, 247 has 351 players rated 4* or better in the composite rankings. By their own system, that means that 51 players who are 4*s today in the composite aren't considered 4*s by 247. That tells you how much subjectivity there is in the evaluations and as we all know it is not an exact science.

Who would you rather have had as a QB at MSU in the 2011 class? 5* Jeff Driskel or 3* Dak Prescott? Which rating was correct in terms of performance and potential?

Hindsight makes decisions easy. Would you take Uiagalelei or will Rogers this cycle?

[ShotgunDawg]

Who would you rather have had as a QB at MSU in the 2011 class? 5* Jeff Driskel or 3* Dak Prescott? Which rating was correct in terms of performance and potential?

I get your point, but honestly, in recruiting I'd rather have 3 Jeff Driskel's than 1 Dak Prescott & take my chances

[Pipedream]

There's a difference in recruiting to "win a bunch of games" and recruiting to win the division. Shotgun is correct in his assesments. Moorhead is landing a lot of his top targets, and you have to be pleased with that, but they're, at this point, for the most part 3* guys. Yes, not all 3*s are created equal, but without having at least half of your roster being comprised of 4 and 5*s, you cannot win the division. It's the history of the league since the modern recruiting database became available. So, you have to ask yourself what is the goal? If it's to win some games and be bowl eligible and maybe have a run every 4th year where we win 10 games then yeah, this recruiting performance can get you there with elite coaching (of which we currently do not have based on last seasons results, but willing to give some leeway to see what happens this year). If you want to really compete for the crown, you have to recruit better than this. I know that sounds harsh, but it's just the straight facts.

[msstate7]

There's a difference in recruiting to "win a bunch of games" and recruiting to win the division. Shotgun is correct in his assesments. Moorhead is landing a lot of his top targets, and you have to be pleased with that, but they're, at this point, for the most part 3* guys. Yes, not all 3*s are created equal, but without having at least half of your roster being comprised of 4 and 5*s, you cannot win the division. It's the history of the league since the modern recruiting database became available. So, you have to ask yourself what is the goal? If it's to win some games and be bowl eligible and maybe have a run every 4th year where we win 10 games then yeah, this recruiting performance can get you there with elite coaching (of which we currently do not have based on last seasons results, but willing to give some leeway to see what happens this year). If you want to really compete for the crown, you have to recruit better than this. I know that sounds harsh, but it's just the straight facts.

Considering the division we're in, I'm perfectly fine with 8 wins most years with the 10-win season every 3-4 years. Maintaining a 10 win pace will be almost impossible... if we land a coach that can get it done, he'll be taken from us.

[Pollodawg]

Not dogging three star kids, per se. They can be the backbone of your program. You just have to snag some four and five stars, which we have, to leaven the bread, so-to-speak.

[GeorgeKaplan]

We've currently got 1 4 star recruit. 1.

Jumping quickly on the 3 stars in the state & not pushing for more highly rated recruits from outside the state would be the definition of country club

I love the Dean commitment & I think JoMo is making the best of a down instate year, but let's slow the roll on praising his recruiting.

Again, regardless of anyone's opinions of what players SHOULD be ranked, JoMo currently only has 1 4 star commitment.

That will get us killed in our division. Absolutely slaughtered

Alabama has 17 4+ stars committed
LSU has 13
A&M has 5
Auburn has 6

Those schools aren't committing every 3 instate kid that likes them. They are fighting for 4 stars.

Just saying.

I'm not being negative as I believe we will soon start to add the 4 stars, but it's just plainly inaccurate at this point to like this recruiting class. Completely inaccurate

Go. Away.

[BrunswickDawg]

Hindsight makes decisions easy. Would you take Uiagalelei or will Rogers this cycle?

To a degree hindsight makes it easy. You also have reality of staring you in the face that we are still years away from recruiting at the level Shotgun is proposing. Our best year in the last 10 saw 7 4* players (2015). Since 2010, we have averaged 4.5 4*s or higher. That was an increase over to 2000-2009 period that saw an average of 3.1. Expecting us to double that number quickly isn't realistic. Joe signed 6 in each of his first 2 classes - Dan did that three times in 9 classes. Getting to 6-7 a class on a regular basis is probably a realistic plateau for right now. It's not satisfying, but I don't see any way to make a leap that large. So, you have to work toward increasing the number of 4*s while still recognizing that we are still a program that has to do an excellent job of landing talent that needs development.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

There's a difference in recruiting to "win a bunch of games" and recruiting to win the division. Shotgun is correct in his assesments. Moorhead is landing a lot of his top targets, and you have to be pleased with that, but they're, at this point, for the most part 3* guys. Yes, not all 3*s are created equal, but without having at least half of your roster being comprised of 4 and 5*s, you cannot win the division. It's the history of the league since the modern recruiting database became available. So, you have to ask yourself what is the goal? If it's to win some games and be bowl eligible and maybe have a run every 4th year where we win 10 games then yeah, this recruiting performance can get you there with elite coaching (of which we currently do not have based on last seasons results, but willing to give some leeway to see what happens this year). If you want to really compete for the crown, you have to recruit better than this. I know that sounds harsh, but it's just the straight facts.

You're skipping steps though with what you're talking about. We've been a Top 25-28 recruiting profile which has been good for 7-8 wins a year. What you're talking about is a Top 10-15 recruiting profile. Our next step is consistently in the Top 17 - 22 range. That should make us a consistent 8-10 win team. That's the next step not jumping over that straight to consistently challenging for the division. Get to a consistent 8-10 win team & every 2-3 years you can challenge for the division.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

We've currently got 1 4 star recruit. 1.

Jumping quickly on the 3 stars in the state & not pushing for more highly rated recruits from outside the state would be the definition of country club

I love the Dean commitment & I think JoMo is making the best of a down instate year, but let's slow the roll on praising his recruiting.

Again, regardless of anyone's opinions of what players SHOULD be ranked, JoMo currently only has 1 4 star commitment.

That will get us killed in our division. Absolutely slaughtered

Alabama has 17 4+ stars committed
LSU has 13
A&M has 5
Auburn has 6

Those schools aren't committing every 3 instate kid that likes them. They are fighting for 4 stars.

Just saying.

I'm not being negative as I believe we will soon start to add the 4 stars, but it's just plainly inaccurate at this point to like this recruiting class. Completely inaccurate

agree....For every 4 star we get there are 4 other teams in our division....not just conference...DIVISION... that are getting 3 or 4. It sucks but it's just the way it is. Frankly I am getting sick and tired of being mediocre and even more sick and tired of the sunshine pumping sect of our fanbase acting like Moorhead is recruiting lights out when he is not. Quantity don't equal quality.

[ShotgunDawg]

Go. Away.

Why?

So inaccurate narratives can thrive?

Want to get me to go away? Post with accuracy & stop praising mediocrity. There is a difference in firing mediocrity & not praising mediocrity. I am not in favor or am close to being in favor of firing Moorhead, but I'm not going to praise him for gobbling up solid 3 stars in Mississippi. He had 18 instate 4 & 5 stars last year & missed on most.

[ShotgunDawg]

You're skipping steps though with what you're talking about. We've been a Top 25-28 recruiting profile which has been good for 7-8 wins a year. What you're talking about is a Top 10-15 recruiting profile. Our next step is consistently in the Top 17 - 22 range. That should make us a consistent 8-10 win team. That's the next step not jumping over that straight to consistently challenging for the division. Get to a consistent 8-10 win team & every 2-3 years you can challenge for the division.

We've been to 9 straight bowl games though.

If being a consistent winner doesn't seem to help recruiting, what does?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We've been to 9 straight bowl games though.

If being a consistent winner doesn't seem to help recruiting, what does?

Can we at least see how the new staff does with 2-3 full recruiting cycles before we make this determination?

[Pipedream]

We've averaged 8 wins over the last decade. At what point should we start expecting a next step? How many years in a row can the patience card be played? I've done the numbers on it. There's 10 MS HS blue chips every year, you need to land at least half of them. There's 4 MS Juco blue chips every year, you have to land one of those. There's 350+ non MS blue chips every year, you need to land 4 of those. It's not a cake walk, but people acting as if signing 10 blue chips every year is some ridiculous number have no aspiration for this program. It is quite doable.

[ShotgunDawg]

We've averaged 8 wins over the last decade. At what point should we start expecting a next step? How many years in a row can the patience card be played? I've done the numbers on it. There's 10 MS HS blue chips every year, you need to land at least half of them. There's 4 MS Juco blue chips every year, you have to land one of those. There's 350+ non MS blue chips every year, you need to land 4 of those. It's not a cake walk, but people acting as if signing 10 blue chips every year is some ridiculous number have no aspiration for this program. It is quite doable.

Agree