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    MSU Baseball Team

    How good will we be this year? Who are the new comers that will contribute a lot? Will Woodruff become a dominate starting pitcher? I am excited about this year. . Can we make a return trip to Omaha? Todd, Engie, others what say you?

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    My personal opinion is that we should have a good chance to be better than last year on the mound due to having better starting pitching while still having a stout bullpen. Hitting may struggle to be as good with Frazier and Renfroe removed from the lineup. Hopefully some other reliable hitters step forward quickly that can also play C, SS and LF.

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    If your baseline expectations are to make Omaha, then you will be disappointed. Not because we can't or won't. We definitely can, and will be good enough to win the national title. But things happen, look at Vanderbilt. We're built for TD Ameritrade, so we have that going for us. I think a realistic goal for this team to try and win the SEC and earn a national seed.

    I disagree with others that say freshmen will come in and play immediately. That hasn't happened too much in the Cohen Era, Bradford is the only true freshman I remember being a REGULAR STARTER (for the nitpickers) since Day 1. Others have played (Frazier, Renfroe, Robson) but by the end of the year I think our upperclassmen will comprise the lineup. I am not worried about pitching at all, we'll be great there. I think your breakout players are going to be the Canadians, I expect them to make the sophomore jumps that are typical with the high-but-not-elite level talent guys. Daniel Garner will also be in the lineup.

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    I expect more regular season wins and a stronger seed.

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    At minimum we will be a regional team. We can win 20 nonconf and 15 conf. We have the best talent since 1990. I mean 1-35. Lots of future pro players. Will write more as the fall progresses.

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    I was looking at the fall roster. Where are the cuts going to be .
    You can only have an active roster of 25 or 27 so that means about 18 players will be cut or not be on the active roster. I think Cohen oversigns so you have players end up transferring and leaving the program angry and unhappy. I've heard that players leave here with not saying many nice things about Cohen. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I have heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goat Holder View Post
    I disagree with others that say freshmen will come in and play immediately. That hasn't happened too much in the Cohen Era, Bradford is the only true freshman I remember being a REGULAR STARTER (for the nitpickers) since Day 1. Others have played (Frazier, Renfroe, Robson) but by the end of the year I think our upperclassmen will comprise the lineup. I am not worried about pitching at all, we'll be great there. I think your breakout players are going to be the Canadians, I expect them to make the sophomore jumps that are typical with the high-but-not-elite level talent guys. Daniel Garner will also be in the lineup.
    He's never had a player like Humphreys coming out of high school either. He has just as good of a shot at starting at 3rd as Detz does

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    Quote Originally Posted by bully99 View Post
    I was looking at the fall roster. Where are the cuts going to be .
    You can only have an active roster of 25 or 27 so that means about 18 players will be cut or not be on the active roster. I think Cohen oversigns so you have players end up transferring and leaving the program angry and unhappy. I've heard that players leave here with not saying many nice things about Cohen. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I have heard.
    This is stupid. Welcome to 2010**

    What about the MANY players that just wanted a chance to play here under Polk -- but didn't get it -- since he was loyal to "his" guys for 4 years who were OFTEN not as good as the guys wanting so badly to be at MSU? What about them? What about Stephen Head? Logan Power? Drew Pomeranz? There's a million other examples that aren't as big of names, but could have helped us. I can go on...

    Cohen gives basically ALL of these guys a chance to play at MSU. It's damn sure not his fault when they can't/don't cut it. That's more than Polk could say in a ton of instances. AND we end up with a much, MUCH better baseball program in the process...
    Last edited by engie; 10-10-2013 at 07:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bully99 View Post
    You can only have an active roster of 25 or 27 so that means about 18 players will be cut or not be on the active roster. I think Cohen oversigns so you have players end up transferring and leaving the program angry and unhappy. I've heard that players leave here with not saying many nice things about Cohen. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I have heard.
    This is not a Cohen thing- every school does this now. This is modern day NCAA baseball thanks to Title IX
    Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is

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    My expectations are to host a regional, compete for the SEC, and have a shot at a national seed. That's all you can really ask a team in the regular season. Just host and give yourself the best possible chance to get hot and make a run to Omaha.

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    We'll be better, but that doesn't mean we'll play for the national title again. We caught fire in Charlottesville and swept a team that should have kicked our ass. That could very well happen to us next season.

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    W regard to cutting, you can look at the roster and count 30 that won't. They are seniors, juniors or ultra talented. Coaches will sit down and tell them what to expect during year. If they think they should play more and they aren't then they will transfer. But like I said, walk ons are the ones on the short end. I would think they were told this.

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    Well count me in as old school. If you recruit a kid who can't play then that's your fault. It's nothing but a tryout camp and you just use players and dump them. Sorry if you don't like that.
    MSstateaseball...how many walkons are currently on the roster. BTW...I enjoy your work ...keep it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bully99 View Post
    I was looking at the fall roster. Where are the cuts going to be .
    You can only have an active roster of 25 or 27 so that means about 18 players will be cut or not be on the active roster. I think Cohen oversigns so you have players end up transferring and leaving the program angry and unhappy. I've heard that players leave here with not saying many nice things about Cohen. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I have heard.
    Who cares what the players who leave the program say about Cohen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bully99 View Post
    Well count me in as old school. If you recruit a kid who can't play then that's your fault. It's nothing but a tryout camp and you just use players and dump them. Sorry if you don't like that.
    MSstateaseball...how many walkons are currently on the roster. BTW...I enjoy your work ...keep it up.
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    Yep. Polk's way was definitely better**

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    Well 27 are getting the 11.7 scholarships. But I don't see 16 walk ons. I see 10. But I don't know everything. When these kids are interviewed and they say they are walking on then I know. Coaches don't tell as far as I know.

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    Paul Young if healthy will contribute a lot - and possibly be a weekend starter. We're going to have a new catcher by default. So, expect to see a lot of Cody Walker and Daniel Garner, who is not really new but since he redshirted he is new as far as experience. Garner was just invited to the Cape Cod League for next year. Reid Humphries is very talented and I think he will start somewhere as a freshman. Seth Heck is a middle infielder that will compete for a middle infield spot, and then Jake Vickerson will compete for an outfield spot. I think Dakota Hudson will help us out either in the rotation or the bullpen.

    I certainly believe that Woodruff can be a dominate pitcher- it's more a question of health with him than anything and that has been corrected.

    As far as how good we can be- based on what we have coming back and the schedule and the SEC schedule that is the most favorable we have had in awhile- I think 40 wins during the regular season is very realistic and I think this team will contend for the SEC, and hosting a regional and Super Regional are attainable goals for them. Omaha again is also not out of the question either- especially if we do indeed get to stay in Starkville throughout our regional journey. Plus, this time we have some players with Omaha experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bully99 View Post
    Well count me in as old school. If you recruit a kid who can't play then that's your fault. It's nothing but a tryout camp and you just use players and dump them. Sorry if you don't like that.
    MSstateaseball...how many walkons are currently on the roster. BTW...I enjoy your work ...keep it up.
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    Our attrition rate has been very good under Cohen the last three years. I'm sure that if he had his way, they would keep everyone that wants to be on the team. But the NCAA doesn't allow that. As a coach, you can't make everyone happy even if you want to. Plus, almost every player that has left has been a walk-on. If a player chooses to come tryout on his own and doesn't make the team, that's not a recruiting issue.

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    Ill add my obligatory Lindgren will be SEC Pitcher of the Year to this thread. Better than Stratton. First round pick to the Cubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curmudgeon View Post
    We'll be better, but that doesn't mean we'll play for the national title again. We caught fire in Charlottesville and swept a team that should have kicked our ass. That could very well happen to us next season.
    That was a very young Virginia team vs. our experienced MSU team. Plus Virginia had a ton of comebacks last year- so their record could have been misleading as far as how good they actually were. They do have a lot of talent, and I think they could be in Omaha this year though.

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