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    Quote Originally Posted by TUSK View Post
    and it can be done...
    Like who has done it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Like who has done it?
    Oregon, FSU, KSU, Miami, Florida.....

    lot's more, I'm sure... those were just my first thoughts....
    "It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taog Redloh View Post
    ShotgunDawg do you realize you are wanting to implement the same sort of stuff that Hillary Clinton does? I mean you straight up sound like a Black Lives Matter activist.

    Sort of eye opening when you look at it from that perspective, isn't it? Not saying I disagree with you, but it is what it is. And yeah, there comes a point when the rich simply have too much. But they will always find a way to exploit.

    This isn't an 'across the board' thing. It's a Saban thing.
    Remember when the NFL implemented revenue sharing I believe. It was to improve the competition so the product would be better for the fans. It seems to have worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgday166 View Post
    Remember when the NFL implemented revenue sharing I believe. It was to improve the competition so the product would be better for the fans. It seems to have worked.
    doesn't the SEC do that now?
    "It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUSK View Post
    Oregon, FSU, KSU, Miami, Florida.....

    lot's more, I'm sure... those were just my first thoughts....
    I'll give you Oregon but that's it. The FL teams have good histories and KSU was a flash in the pan. Oregon has Nike money and the NCAA won't touch team. I remember nothing coming from the LaMichael James recruiting issues. You just have to ask yourself, is college football better when team X is good? Bama yes, Texas yes, KSU not so much. While I don't agree with this logic, it's just the way the system is

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUSK View Post
    Oregon, FSU, KSU, Miami, Florida.....

    lot's more, I'm sure... those were just my first thoughts....
    Oregon = No top 10 recruiting classes & not in SEC

    FSU = elite location & a woman's school till after WW2

    KSU = Huh? They don't belong in this conversation.

    Florida = Elite location & mismanaged till 1990

    Miami = Cheated their asses off
    Last edited by ShotgunDawg; 10-15-2016 at 06:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acid mouth View Post
    I'll give you Oregon but that's it. The FL teams have good histories and KSU was a flash in the pan. Oregon has Nike money and the NCAA won't touch team. I remember nothing coming from the LaMichael James recruiting issues. You just have to ask yourself, is college football better when team X is good? Bama yes, Texas yes, KSU not so much. While I don't agree with this logic, it's just the way the system is
    Maybe I'm just going too far back... but FSU, UF and Miami were absolute trash until the early 80s...
    "It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUSK View Post
    doesn't the SEC do that now?
    Well yea I guess they sorta do. However, there is still a large disparity in operating budgets. And there isn't currently anything in place to control boosters or additional supplemental revenue. I was thinking more in terms of other ways to even it out though. The NFL has also continued to implement additional policies to even things out and put a better product on the field. On any given weekend any team can beat another one. I was primarily responding to the Hillary Clinton comment by Taog and trying to make the point that this isn't necessarily a pure capitalism vs. socialism thing. There was a lot of resistance to revenue sharing in NFL when it was first proposed.

    I personally haven't thought too deeply on possible solutions and probably couldn't come up with any realistic ones if I did. Most of us on this board are pretty butt hurt right now with our team haha.

    ETA: What I think this really comes down to is the players aren't allowed to share in the revenue ... so they go to the highest discrete (except in OMs case) bidder. If this were more capitalistic, the players would be receiving far more than they are. In the NFL, the QB makes more than the HC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Oregon = No top 10 recruiting classes & not in SEC

    FSU = elite location & a woman's school till after WW2

    KSU = Huh? They don't belong in this conversation.

    Florida = Elite location & mismanaged till 1990

    Miami = Cheated their asses off
    KState is our model to copy, if you ask me. Of course, that's just if you ask.

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    I think the way you change Alabama's advantage is you force them to not be able to "process" folks. You make scholarship offers for four years instead of one year. Of all the teams in any sport who exploit this the most, Saban and company are the biggest culprits. This will force them to not try to load up on players like a Lashley, a Davis, and a Knott as there is no way they thought those kids could contribute to their team. Those are kids that Saban recruited and got simply to keep them away from programs like Ole Miss and State. Of course all of it is moot if Saban wins it this year because there is a strong rumor he will retire if he wins the national championship this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taog Redloh View Post
    KState is our model to copy, if you ask me. Of course, that's just if you ask.
    Only problem is until this year, Mullen hasn't utilized the JUCO system as well as he could or should have. We can't depend on diamonds in the rough AND miss out on kids in our back yard like Brown, Lashley, Knott, and Davis. Those misses IMO were huge and will haunt us the next 3-4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarketingBully View Post
    I think the way you change Alabama's advantage is you force them to not be able to "process" folks. You make scholarship offers for four years instead of one year. Of all the teams in any sport who exploit this the most, Saban and company are the biggest culprits. This will force them to not try to load up on players like a Lashley, a Davis, and a Knott as there is no way they thought those kids could contribute to their team. Those are kids that Saban recruited and got simply to keep them away from programs like Ole Miss and State. Of course all of it is moot if Saban wins it this year because there is a strong rumor he will retire if he wins the national championship this year.
    I hadn't heard that rumor, where's it being floated?... additionally, Davis has contributed some on the DL...
    "It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUSK View Post
    I hadn't heard that rumor, where's it being floated?... additionally, Davis has contributed some on the DL...
    What about the next five star that will replace him? My guess is he won't finish his career at Alabama.

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    Saban has maybe 5 more years before hanging up the spurs. Bama isn't going to be on top forever. You are generalizing that college football now sucks just because we are in the midst of the greatest dynasty ever led by the greatest coach ever (yes, Bear Bryant is definitely a distant second at this point). Did college basketball suck in the 70's when UCLA won like 7 titles in a row? Did college baseball suck in the 90's when LSU won a zillion national titles? Did college football suck in the 60's and 70's when Bryant had Bama in their first dynasty? The answer to all those questions is no. It seems worse for us because we are right next door in the same division to one of the greatest runs in college sports history, but it is what it is. I guarantee you that Ohio State fans, Michigan fans, Washington fans, Florida fans, Texas A&M fans, and so forth do not think college football sucks right now. They all think they have just as good a shot as anyone and could stand toe to toe with Bama. And sooner or later one of those type teams will beat them on the big stage.

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    Urban Meyer is now 56-4 at Ohio State, including a playoff win over Saban. Just for the record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    Urban Meyer is now 56-4 at Ohio State, including a playoff win over Saban. Just for the record.
    If I'm a Florida fan, I can't watch Ohio state play

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSVDawg View Post
    Saban has maybe 5 more years before hanging up the spurs. Bama isn't going to be on top forever. You are generalizing that college football now sucks just because we are in the midst of the greatest dynasty ever led by the greatest coach ever (yes, Bear Bryant is definitely a distant second at this point). Did college basketball suck in the 70's when UCLA won like 7 titles in a row? Did college baseball suck in the 90's when LSU won a zillion national titles? Did college football suck in the 60's and 70's when Bryant had Bama in their first dynasty? The answer to all those questions is no. It seems worse for us because we are right next door in the same division to one of the greatest runs in college sports history, but it is what it is. I guarantee you that Ohio State fans, Michigan fans, Washington fans, Florida fans, Texas A&M fans, and so forth do not think college football sucks right now. They all think they have just as good a shot as anyone and could stand toe to toe with Bama. And sooner or later one of those type teams will beat them on the big stage.
    So you want things to stay the same?

    You wouldn't vote in favor of 65 scholarships?

    BTW, this at least Bama's 3rd SEC dynasty. So there is something wrong with the rules

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarketingBully View Post
    What about the next five star that will replace him? My guess is he won't finish his career at Alabama.
    I've no clue... He may be good enough to play at Bammer & go pro after 3 years... He may not be good enough and may transfer to somewhere where he can contribute...

    A lot of these kids think they are gonna be "the man" regardless of where they go... and they certainly aren't afraid of competition and that's the kind of cats I want...
    "It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."

    No.


    Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    So you want things to stay the same?

    You wouldn't vote in favor of 65 scholarships?

    BTW, this at least Bama's 3rd SEC dynasty. So there is something wrong with the rules
    The thing about 65 scholarships is it will make it a little more fair for us vs bama, but it'll make it more fair for usm vs us too

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