My greatest fear concerning OM's pending probation...

[Turfdawg67]

... is the fact the if they do get hammered, the Network of boosters, disassociated or not, will come together and look at the stuff they are accused of and say "Boys, the NCAA spent 3+ years digging into our dubious ways of doing things and really didn't find all that much" (1). "If we would have paid off Miller like I told y'all, they wouldn't have much at all". "They couldn't trace the signing bonuses, the new vehicles, the jobs for the parents or the multitude of stipends we pay out each week". "We tie up a few loose ends and we can keep on keeping on!" "They found nada on Nkemdiche or Treadwell and we all know how much they cost!" "Hahahahaha". "We got hammered boys, but it's business as usual! Let's get the best ones we can get with the schollies we have left." "Now pass me that manila envelope with the info on that 5* DL out of NC... what's it gonna take to get him? My bagman is ready."

(1) Yes I realize they have 8 Level 1's but considering what the Network was probably doing for the last 4+ years... they have to figure their plan, for the most part, is still solid.

[starkvegasdawg]

Let me throw out an alternate possibility...the NCAA realized they already have enough to bury the Bears from now til rapture and just said to hell with it and wrapped things up. Remember, they already had 8 level 1's BEFORE draft night. Then big softie disconnected his mouth from his brain and the NCAA turned back around and cranked up again. Also remember this about the NCAA - they can still punish you for what they can't prove. They got all those level ones they can prove. Why stick around another 6 months trying to get irrefutable evidence on stuff they strongly suspect when they can already punish them for it under the guise of what they can prove? Despite common bear beliefs, not everybody gets a hard on at the thought of going to Oxford. Even if they were supposedly invited back the second time by Bdork. <-- one of their more delusional statements.

[Reason2succeed]

The fact they got caught cheating while under investigation ought to give them instant repeat offender status. Tunsil's admission that a coach and an asst athletic director were funneling him cash when they knew the NCAA was still smoldering around ought to mean near destruction of their program.

If not, then if they get caught again on anything they are toast. SMU style.

[I seen it dawg]

... is the fact the if they do get hammered, the Network of boosters, disassociated or not, will come together and look at the stuff they are accused of and say "Boys, the NCAA spent 3+ years digging into our dubious ways of doing things and really didn't find all that much" (1). "If we would have paid off Miller like I told y'all, they wouldn't have much at all". "They couldn't trace the signing bonuses, the new vehicles, the jobs for the parents or the multitude of stipends we pay out each week". "We tie up a few loose ends and we can keep on keeping on!" "They found nada on Nkemdiche or Treadwell and we all know how much they cost!" "Hahahahaha". "We got hammered boys, but it's business as usual! Let's get the best ones we can get with the schollies we have left." "Now pass me that manila envelope with the info on that 5* DL out of NC... what's it gonna take to get him? My bagman is ready."

(1) Yes I realize they have 8 Level 1's but considering what the Network was probably doing for the last 4+ years... they have to figure their plan, for the most part, is still solid.

Why have fear about them going on probation, bowl ban, show cause, loss of schollies, etc? I just don't get it. This is some delusional OM bullshit here. Basically saying we didn't do anything wrong so it won't be that bad and our network is so good we can keep on keeping on. Is that what you're saying? Is it?

[SheltonChoked]

My fear is they get off light. And college sports become the Wild West. We don't have the fan base numbers to compete if all players go to the highest bidder. And really, neither does Ole Miss (they just don't know it). But instantly the Big 10 schools would get much better. As would Texas, and TAMU.

[starkvegasdawg]

My fear is they get off light. And college sports become the Wild West. We don't have the fan base numbers to compete if all players go to the highest bidder. And really, neither does Ole Miss (they just don't know it). But instantly the Big 10 schools would get much better. As would Texas, and TAMU.

I refuse to worry about that until it happens. If it does happen, then you are right. Every school in the nation wil take the gloves off and a bidding war will start for the elite players. Well, we probably still want, but every other school will.

But right now I just can't see how they let them off lightly with the number and severity of the charges levied against them. I really don't think the NCAA wants to open up that can of worms.

[Dawgology]

My fear is they get off light. And college sports become the Wild West. We don't have the fan base numbers to compete if all players go to the highest bidder. And really, neither does Ole Miss (they just don't know it). But instantly the Big 10 schools would get much better. As would Texas, and TAMU.

This. If it did become the Wild West then status quo would return. The big boys haven't had to color outside the lines much to win...if they do...watch out

[mic]

Why have fear about them going on probation, bowl ban, show cause, loss of schollies, etc? I just don't get it. This is some delusional OM bullshit here. Basically saying we didn't do anything wrong so it won't be that bad and our network is so good we can keep on keeping on. Is that what you're saying? Is it?

**** them....

Let's see how good the "network" is when they get hammered with 25 scholly or more reduction.. Unless the "network" has a couple years of eligibility left to play and want to be preferred walkons, they won't matter for a while ... A long while..

[Martianlander]

Plus with unm stepping on the toes of Alabama, Georgia, Florida State, Michigan, and who knows maybe more, I don't see how the NCAA can keep from hammering them.

[msstate7]

Plus with unm stepping on the toes of Alabama, Georgia, Florida State, Michigan, and who knows maybe more, I don't see how the NCAA can keep from hammering them.

If the blue bloods truly fueled this investigation, I have no fears of om skating

[Turfdawg67]

**** them....

Let's see how good the "network" is when they get hammered with 25 scholly or more reduction.. Unless the "network" has a couple years of eligibility left to play and want to be preferred walkons, they won't matter for a while ... A long while..

^^This is what must have them. Cripple 'em with the threat of DP if they get caught again in the next X number of years!

[notsofarawaydawg]

I swear people, this is just delusional thinking on your part.

The investigation was over months ago in Oxford and the current football staff was found to have no infractions. UNM does not use a "pay to play" program for it's football and basketball players. Hugh Freezus would never do anything "inside that building" that would put his football program in jeapordy. God has smiled on UNM and provided every football player they have signed since 2012. Hugh is just beside himself for "making mistakes" because no man of God would do such a thing. They are drawing #1 players because the campus is so beautiful and GREEN. *****************************

Their lawyer mindset gives them false hope that they will win out because of their legal skills. I hope they go on thinking that way.

[Coursesuper]

If they let umn off lightly that would be one more nail in the coffin of amateurism. The NCAA would be on the way out the door and minor league football clubs would be full on.

[shannondawg]

Does anybody really know what will be the outcome of all this and what extra infractions will be found other than the original? If anybody has any inside info, please let them speak up.

I do know this, its not going to be as bad as I want it to be.

[SnoopDawg]

I like what someone posted previously about the scholarship reduction will result is seeing a lot of 4 star and 5 star walk-ons.

[starkvegasdawg]

Does anybody really know what will be the outcome of all this and what extra infractions will be found other than the original? If anybody has any inside info, please let them speak up.

I do know this, its not going to be as bad as I want it to be.

The NCAA COI is the only one that knows what they are going to do and they may not have even decided yet. Everything on TSUN's part is mainly delusion that they haven't really found anything and that the sanctions won't be that bad, and everything on the MSU side is looking at similar cases at other schools and the penalties they got. I'm sure reality will be somewhere in the middle of the two, but I am still thinking leaning more towards the MSU side of thinking. The NCAA knows they have got to set an example or all these fears of things happening will happen and they can't have that. My only question is how much of an influence Sankey tries to have in the matter. Does he try to protect the image of the conference as a whole and force the NCAA to tread a little lighter than they want, or does he take the stance of being tough and following the rules and allow a mid-tier team get eviscerated to give that image? I know he was quoted back during media days that it was his desire that no team under his watch get a bowl ban or have to return a trophy. You could read into that he will actively try to protect teams that broike rules for the sake of image or you could read into that he will try to do everything in his power that all the conference teams play by the rules and don't put themselves into that situation like TSUN has done.

[Jack Lambert]

... is the fact the if they do get hammered, the Network of boosters, disassociated or not, will come together and look at the stuff they are accused of and say "Boys, the NCAA spent 3+ years digging into our dubious ways of doing things and really didn't find all that much" (1). "If we would have paid off Miller like I told y'all, they wouldn't have much at all". "They couldn't trace the signing bonuses, the new vehicles, the jobs for the parents or the multitude of stipends we pay out each week". "We tie up a few loose ends and we can keep on keeping on!" "They found nada on Nkemdiche or Treadwell and we all know how much they cost!" "Hahahahaha". "We got hammered boys, but it's business as usual! Let's get the best ones we can get with the schollies we have left." "Now pass me that manila envelope with the info on that 5* DL out of NC... what's it gonna take to get him? My bagman is ready."

(1) Yes I realize they have 8 Level 1's but considering what the Network was probably doing for the last 4+ years... they have to figure their plan, for the most part, is still solid.

They are not as smart as you making them out to be. If they were that smart they would not be in trouble.

[AlmostPositive]

I don't have any fear. I have hope that Ole Miss cheats again after the penalties are in place, and that they get DP'd** by 2018.


** Intentionally ambiguous abbreviation.

[LockeDawg]

**** them....

Let's see how good the "network" is when they get hammered with 25 scholly or more reduction.. Unless the "network" has a couple years of eligibility left to play and want to be preferred walkons, they won't matter for a while ... A long while..

^^THIS X 1000^^

They will be crippled with loss of scholarships and it will take a decade to turn things around. The "network" can't put warm bodies on the roster in the midst of scholarship losses.

[gravedigger]

Why have fear about them going on probation, bowl ban, show cause, loss of schollies, etc? I just don't get it. This is some delusional OM bullshit here. Basically saying we didn't do anything wrong so it won't be that bad and our network is so good we can keep on keeping on. Is that what you're saying? Is it?

Yes, that is what he's saying and it isn't without precedent. Tubberville did it. But this time, unless the NCAA uses what little teeth they have left, it will happen again. He's basically saying that the boosters are willing to play chicken with the NCAA.