Bottom line on the coaching changes...

[TXDawg]

sometimes you take jobs for good money you wouldnt ordinarily take

But I thought we were cheap with assistant's salaries. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

[dawgday166]

Our scoring offense ranks almost the same the last 2 years in all game or conference only games. Very consistant and in the top half of the league. The defense was 9th this year after 6th last year.

2015 2014 2015 Sec Rank 2014 Sec Rank
All games 34.4 36.9 5 2
Non-C 47.4 42.0 2 4
Conf 26.3 33.8 6 (5th in West) 5 (3rd in West)
AP Ranked 17.3 27.3 9th (6th in West & Behind Aub ... REALLY??) 5 (2nd in West)

In 2014 our Eastern div opponents were KY & Vandy ... so that will skew the numbers some. What killed me was 20, 17, 17 against Bama, Ark, and OM to end the year. And what's really killing me is in 7 years, only 1 with greater than 10 against Bama. I kinda thought Mullen was the next Bill Walsh ... as C34 has said.

Edited to add: I have it in a more tabular form until I submit it. Not sure how to correct that right now.

[AROB44]

34 you make some good points, but as for as Turner, I'm ok with his departure. Since he left once before it's no surprise he decided to leave again, maybe it was Mullen, maybe he got more money, maybe he though he should be DC, maybe he doesn't fit in with the new defensive coaches we have.

I think much has to do with "stirring the pot", when we start losing I will be all in for Mullen going, but as long as he wins I could care less what is happening.

Agenda versus Ratings = Elitedawg

+1000 ----- You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to basedog again.

[HaggardDawg]

Yeah you are full of crap. Go to the coaches convention and comeback with that spiel. And there is not a poster with inside knowledge on this page that would not have helped Melvin pack when that went down.

I'm not saying it wasn't time for Melvin to move on. What I'm saying is that he treated Melvin like crap from Day 1. You don't constantly belittle a man in front of his players and peers and expect him not to harness animosity. You didn't have to be an insider to witness that. Just go to an open practice. I have no agenda against Mullen but this turnover and his management reputation will rear its ugly head eventually. Coaches want to draw a paycheck but like all of us want to work for someone that is good to them. Turners departure is a result of the latter.

[Taog Redloh]

You arent ever going to have a consistent defense with constant turnover. You just arent. You cant build relationships with HS coaches when you keep sending new coaches to them. It doesnt matter what the reason is that these guys leave- point is- they keep leaving. Good programs will lose coaches- but they usually have guys that stay as DC for 3-4 years or position guys that stay a long time that help continuity.

Miles? on his 4th DC in 12 years
Saban? on his 2nd DC
Sumlin? 2nd DC
Bielema? 2nd DC
Freezus? 1st DC

Mullen? 6th DC coming up for his 8th season.



But one thing I do want to point out- you know who doesnt leave? Mullen's buddies or as Mic calls them the Mullen Country Club. Sallach, Hevesy, Gonzo- all committed to staying and getting a check. But we cant keep a defensive assistant.

Brunswick Dawg already proved you wrong. I'll just leave it at that.

[Dawgtini]

34 you make some good points, but as for as Turner, I'm ok with his departure. Since he left once before it's no surprise he decided to leave again, maybe it was Mullen, maybe he got more money, maybe he though he should be DC, maybe he doesn't fit in with the new defensive coaches we have.

I think much has to do with "stirring the pot", when we start losing I will be all in for Mullen going, but as long as he wins I could care less what is happening.

Agenda versus Ratings = Elitedawg

+1

[smootness]

It absolutely is people running away from Mullen. He has a terrible reputation amongst the coaching profession as being an ass and extremely difficult to work for. Turner took the high road and waited until after signing day but make no mistake about it, he did not like working for Mullen. The defensive staff has never had internal problems with one another. They're problem has always been with Mullen. Turner, Melvin, Hughes didn't all leave because of the DCs, they left because Mullen sucks to work for.

Turner came back and stayed for 3 years, Diaz came back, Hughes stayed for 7 years, Knox has stayed for 7 years, Gonzalez eventually followed him, Brian Johnson has stuck around, he keeps attracting talented coaches...yeah, clear evidence that nobody wants to work for him.**

[FISHDAWG]

Excellent post! I lived in Waycross for a number of years. You are just confirming there are still "good people" in that neck of the woods. There is definitely way too much "agenda" going on in some of these posts for me.

ever played the Okefenokee Country Club there ?

[BrunswickDawg]

Excellent post! I lived in Waycross for a number of years. You are just confirming there are still "good people" in that neck of the woods. There is definitely way too much "agenda" going on in some of these posts for me.

POGO for President! Still some good folks in South GA. You in timber or chemicals? Alot of both in those swamps.

[chef dixon]

This agenda against Mullen is a really dangerous game to play and every time an opportunity presents itself to make it worse this board does just that.

[War Machine Dawg]

and Wommack is now the longest-tenured DC in the conference at 4 seasons in...

Everyone but OM has a ton of turnover. I think we know what's going on with them. To me, I don't mind how many guys we lose -- it's that we are losing them to lateral moves -- while the guys I really want to lose stay put. I'd be ok with the amount of turnover if we were forcing out the underperformers just as fast as the overperformers are leaving on their own...

THIS. We can't GIVE away Hev, Sallach, and Knox. But it's not a problem to be on our 6th DC in 8 years or lose our entire defensive staff.****

[Dawgtini]

POGO for President! Still some good folks in South GA. You in timber or chemicals? Alot of both in those swamps.

"ever played the Okefenokee Country Club there ?"

No on the Okefenokee Country Club. And back then I was in timber.

[Taog Redloh]

This agenda against Mullen is a really dangerous game to play and every time an opportunity presents itself to make it worse this board does just that.

He's doing the same thing with Cohen. Can we see a pattern here? Is that Stans I see?

Coach34 and his cronies themselves are powerless. They are just the ring-leaders of the emotional blow-hards. I just see no reason to spread the agendas on public message boards.

[CadaverDawg]

To me, I don't mind how many guys we lose -- it's that we are losing them to lateral moves -- while the guys I really want to lose stay put. I'd be ok with the amount of turnover if we were forcing out the underperformers just as fast as the overperformers are leaving on their own...

Great post, I agree. To anyone not understanding some of the worry....read this^.

[chef dixon]

He's doing the same thing with Cohen. Can we see a pattern here? Is that Stans I see?

Coach34 and his cronies themselves are powerless. They are just the ring-leaders of the emotional blow-hards. I just see no reason to spread the agendas on public message boards.

I agree. This is going to continue to happen with every coach we have at MSU because of unrealistic expectations.

[dawgday166]

I agree. This is going to continue to happen with every coach we have at MSU because of unrealistic expectations.

Unrealistic?? Mullen set the expectations when he said he came here to compete for championships. We did that very briefly in 2014 and that looks to be the last time it will be accomplished. And he'll probably keep reminding us that we were #1 for 5 weeks from now until he leaves for some reason.

[DawgNamedScuba]

How about we just do this!

[chef dixon]

Unrealistic?? Mullen set the expectations when he said he came here to compete for championships. We did that very briefly in 2014 and that looks to be the last time it will be accomplished. And he'll probably keep reminding us that we were #1 for 5 weeks from now until he leaves for some reason.

It must be hard on yourself as a fan to keep expected our coach to win the SEC every year at MSU when we've NEVER done it before is what I'm getting at. Look objectively at who we are and who our competition is, Jesus as our head coach would struggle. And wow, you've given him exactly 1 more season before you've declared that he could never compete for one again.

[BrunswickDawg]

It must be hard on yourself as a fan to keep expected our coach to win the SEC every year at MSU when we've NEVER done it before is what I'm getting at. Look objectively at who we are and who our competition is, Jesus as our head coach would struggle. And wow, you've given him exactly 1 more season before you've declared that he could never compete for one again.

Well, everyone knows Jesus would coach at Ole Miss, so your argument is moot.**

[dawgday166]

It must be hard on yourself as a fan to keep expected our coach to win the SEC every year at MSU when we've NEVER done it before is what I'm getting at. Look objectively at who we are and who our competition is, Jesus as our head coach would struggle. And wow, you've given him exactly 1 more season before you've declared that he could never compete for one again.

I don't expect that ... but I don't expect to lose to Bama, LSU, TAM, and OM every year either. I kinda expect to finish better than 4th in SEC W most years too. It's really getting old getting absolutely obliterated by Bama every year. I hope we don't wait long enough for Mullen to go another 3-19 against those 4 teams.

Ok ... having said that ... clean slate on D now. Let's see what happens over course of next 2 years. That will put the really good recruiting class of 2015 as true Jrs or RSophs.

BTW ... The competition in SEC W (other than Bama) the last 2 years ain't been earth shattering IMO.