OK, after this Manziel stuff, I'm on the Fire Bracky bandwagon.....

[Goat Holder]

....well, at least for interwebs purposes. And I'm more convinced that MSU has the most fractured, and selfish, fanbase in the country.

This is how it is. I don't know what's truth and what's not. All I know is this:

Cases 1-2:
- Cam Newton (Auburn). Lawyered up. Nobody talked. Nobody got busted. Nobody got declared ineligible (at least for more than an hour). There was no PROOF of wrong-doing.

- Johnny Manziel (Texas A&M). Lawyered up. Nobody talked. Nobody is busted (yet). Nobody is declared ineligible (yet). There is no PROOF of wrong-doing (yet).

Cases 3-5:
- Cam Newton (MSU). No lawyer. We report to the SEC and NCAA. PROOF that we got approached (because we talked). We get blamed for everything (which may be karma). Mullen gets blamed for squealing (even though he didn't do shit).

- Will Redmond (MSU). No lawyer. We report everything. PROOF that we did things (because we talked, and ONLY because of this). Internet sites fight amongst themselves for hits and money. Ding, ding, probation.

- A.J. Green (Georgia). No lawyer. He fesses up to the NCAA. Suspended 4 games.

OK.....isn't it easy to see what's going on here? DON'T F*CKING TALK! It's really quite simple. You can't stop these idiot shitballs from squealing on you like this broker, Kenny Rogers, Devinner. Those guys are being paid by butthurt Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas, etc. That much is proven because there are many others out there who are just as guilty as Newton/Manziel/etc. but never get reported. Is it just coincidence that the 2 biggest names get outed right as they are the biggest thorns in Alabama's side? Shit no. Bunch of damn rats.

Either way, that's what I take from the Johnny Football stuff. Don't leave proof. The NCAA can't regulate this stuff unless you let them. It's insane to think otherwise. If I want to give a recruit some money, and they want to take it, NO ONE CAN STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING. No one. So whatever happens, you just don't talk. Period. Amazing that people haven't learned this simple virtue.

[engie]

Yep...

All that is what we've been screaming from the rooftops since before the Redmond situation.

Hell, look at Renardo Sidney. I realize he didn't work out for us as a player -- but he got suspended for 1.5 years with NO proof of ANYTHING. They basically told him to "prove you are innocent"...Nowhere other than MSU does that happen.

If I was a student-athlete, the fact that the school itself will throw me UNDER THE BUS at first chance -- where other schools insulate and protect me -- would have a helluva lot to do with where I decided to go...

[bocfarm]

Worst compliance dept in the fbs

[Coach34]

Compliance starts with the President folks...Bracky does some shit he shouldnt and isnt the guy for the job these days- but Keenum is just as much to blame

[Goat Holder]

I also have to note, however, that it would be smart to not get involved with the street agents like Devinner and this 'broker' for JF. Especially not the coach.

Are you sure they never had proof in the Sidney incident? Lot of paper out there in California. I always thought Stans was stupid to mess with him from the beginning, and in hindsight I was right. He lost his job over him.

[Goat Holder]

I just said Fire Bracky because that's a popular party line. I completely agree that things need to be straightened up in many areas. Probably plenty of blame to go around. Even to the fans, as I pointed out the other day.

[Vandownbytheriver]

What Coach said. Bracky does his job the way he's instructed to do so. He's the easy fall guy because he's the guy with the title. If Keenum and Stricklin had a problem with the way shit is ran, they'd have made a change. I understand the frustration because everyone cheats and we suck at it, but this ain't all Bracky. He's just the popular guy to blame.

[ShotgunDawg]

I also have to note, however, that it would be smart to not get involved with the street agents like Devinner and this 'broker' for JF. Especially not the coach.

Are you sure they never had proof in the Sidney incident? Lot of paper out there in California. I always thought Stans was stupid to mess with him from the beginning, and in hindsight I was right. He lost his job over him.

Goat, if Devinner has 6 of the top 10 players in Tennessee playing for his 7 on 7 team, we don't have much choice but to be involved with him.

[The Croom Diaries]

The 'Fire Bracky' argument is all about the fact that he is under-qualified. He is simply in over his head and that's not necessarily his fault - so by us calling to Fire Bracky we are calling on Keenum to hire a lawyer, former NCAA investigator, whatever just get it done!

Keenum either has one of two problems: 1. he believes that if you hand over all the evidence to the NCAA then your punishment won't be as bad or 2. he believes that we should not worry about anyone else but MSU and we should make sure we are following all the rules.

Under #1 I think he could change his thinking just like in this Texas A&M case and others he sees how other schools are defending themselves. Of course, there is a problem, like Engie said, the NCAA does NOT need proof to punish you. People have a problem of looking at them like the government which they are not, they are just an organization. BUT - even though they need proof they also don't want to mix it up with a bunch of high profile lawyers who may sue them if they screw up and they are on pins and needles about screwing up with the schools that have lawyered up.

Under #2 we might as well get another president because he isn't going to change. The NCAA is like a game of Monopoly. There are the rules written on the pamphlet in the box, and then there are the rules you play by. Some people collect rent on their houses and hotels while they are in jail, some do not. In the SEC programs are collecting that rent while in jail but we are not even though we know everyone else is, putting us at a distinct disadvantage.

People act like the NCAA is the law created by the federal government. It is not. It is just some rules made by an organization. Like with any organization when the members don't like the rules they either change them or go somewhere else. My hope is that college football will secede from the NCAA and maybe we won't have to worry about Bracky so much. But that probably won't happen for a few years.

[Vandownbytheriver]

So in other words, you want the guy to lose his job because he's doing what his boss tells him to do? Why not fire the boss?

[Goat Holder]

Because I like Keenum.

[Goat Holder]

Of course, there is a problem, like Engie said, the NCAA does NOT need proof to punish you.

I disagree with this, and that was sort of the premise of my post in general.

The Sidney situation......eh, I'm not sure what to think of that. None of us know for sure, but I'm guessing there was some damning evidence out there. When cash hits the bank account, it raises eyebrows. Plus, this all happened before he came to MSU, so it wasn't really our problem until Stans made it our problem.

But I agree with everything else. NCAA can't punish anyone, they can just take away your 'eligibility'. But they don't typically do it without proof. Plus, like you say, they don't want to f*ck with lawyers.

[bocfarm]

They have to have proof

[Majors42]

The point that I think needs to be made is that Keenum sees no need to go out and hire a law firm or ex NCAA employee because he sees no reason to Chnage what we are doing. This is because his directive is to not cheat at any level. If we are not cheating, there is no need for a change in compliance. If you want that change, it's not on bracky, it's on Keenum like some other people have stated.

As for bracky, I will say this. On Chris jones official visit bracky followed him everywhere, including the men's room. He stood behind Chris while Chris was at the urinal and followed him everywhere else he went. Was that at keenums directive or was that bracky?

At ole miss the cruits get escorted around by hot co eds. At msu, they get escorted by middle aged white men. Where would you want to go?

[bocfarm]

The point that I think needs to be made is that Keenum sees no need to go out and hire a law firm or ex NCAA employee because he sees no reason to Chnage what we are doing. This is because his directive is to not cheat at any level. If we are not cheating, there is no need for a change in compliance. If you want that change, it's not on bracky, it's on Keenum like some other people have stated.

As for bracky, I will say this. On Chris jones official visit bracky followed him everywhere, including the men's room. He stood behind Chris while Chris was at the urinal and followed him everywhere else he went. Was that at keenums directive or was that bracky?

At ole miss the cruits get escorted around by hot co eds. At msu, they get escorted by middle aged white men. Where would you want to go?

Are you sure that wasn't Yancy dressed up like Bracky?

[bocfarm]

On a serious not, that is just plain sad and embarrassing if true. Good Lord

[engie]

The point that I think needs to be made is that Keenum sees no need to go out and hire a law firm or ex NCAA employee because he sees no reason to Chnage what we are doing. This is because his directive is to not cheat at any level. If we are not cheating, there is no need for a change in compliance. If you want that change, it's not on bracky, it's on Keenum like some other people have stated.

As for bracky, I will say this. On Chris jones official visit bracky followed him everywhere, including the men's room. He stood behind Chris while Chris was at the urinal and followed him everywhere else he went. Was that at keenums directive or was that bracky?

At ole miss the cruits get escorted around by hot co eds. At msu, they get escorted by middle aged white men. Where would you want to go?

Yep...

We've got to force Keenum's hand -- and fanbase outrage will eventually reach the right people and do that...

EVERYONE sees the problems, especially the ones that were smart enough to put themselves into self-made positions of power...

[engie]

They have to have proof

To do what? The NCAA doesn't have to have proof of anything to punish you. They can declare you ineligible and make you PROVE your innocence. Ever attempted that? It's basically impossible. It's the threat of lawsuits from HIGH PROFILE LAWYERS RUNNING OTHER PEOPLE'S COMPLIANCE DEPTS that prevents them from acting in advance like that more often.

What proof did they have on Kristers Zeidaks when they gave him the exact same suspension that Sidney got? Nothing. Just suspicions.

Bottom line is that they screw us because we ALLOW them to screw us -- moreover, we WELCOME it at the administration level.

[fishwater99]

The 'Fire Bracky' argument is all about the fact that he is under-qualified. He is simply in over his head and that's not necessarily his fault - so by us calling to Fire Bracky we are calling on Keenum to hire a lawyer, former NCAA investigator, whatever just get it done!

This...

They guy has a Master's in PE for god's sake...

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bracky-brett/54/517/b63

[Coach34]

Keenum cant be this naive considering the company he keeps

The main point here is that we as a University have to pull together to operate as one- like an OM, Bama, Auburn, etc....that is where we lag behind imo