Oliver Black

[Ifyouonlyknew]

For anybody who's interested. Black has been cleared by the NCAA & will be on campus for the 1st day of the Fall semester Aug 18th. That will be all signees for the 2014 class eligible, on campus, & ready to go.

[Coach34]

Dawg61 will be relieved

[msstate7]

Turn around year is upon us

[trob115]

I think we are gonna make the NIT this year. We should be much improved depth wise as long as the injury bug stays away.

[Dawg61]

Dawg61 will be relieved

Give Ray a lifetime extension

[tcdog70]

Now if he can teach how to attack that tricky ass 1-3-1 defense. And get one of those height extenders for his smurf guards

[thf24]

Now if he can teach how to attack that tricky ass 1-3-1 defense. And get one of those height extenders for his smurf guards

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Ray struggled against that 1-3-1 defense not because he doesn't know how to attack it, but due to the facts that he lacked consistent shooters and had exactly one player who could match up in the post (neither of which are a problem any longer)? You can put those roster deficiencies on him if you want to, but let's see how he does against the zone now that he actually has the means to exploit it.

[Dawg61]

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Ray struggled against that 1-3-1 defense not because he doesn't know how to attack it, but due to the facts that he lacked consistent shooters and had exactly one player who could match up in the post (neither of which are a problem any longer)? You can put those roster deficiencies on him if you want to, but let's see how he does against the zone now that he actually has the means to exploit it.

Good point. Let's also not reward Ray for having a player he signed get qualified. Not saying you specifically are.

[tcdog70]

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Ray struggled against that 1-3-1 defense not because he doesn't know how to attack it, but due to the facts that he lacked consistent shooters and had exactly one player who could match up in the post (neither of which are a problem any longer)? You can put those roster deficiencies on him if you want to, but let's see how he does against the zone now that he actually has the means to exploit it.

Isn't that what I just said?

[thf24]

Isn't that what I just said?

Maybe I'm wrong, and if so I apologize, but haven't you accused Ray before of not knowing how to break a 1-3-1 zone from a coaching standpoint?

[tcdog70]

If he knows how He is keeping it a secret. but now that He has finally recruited some players maybe he will Show us he really knows how.

[engie]

Maybe I'm wrong, and if so I apologize, but haven't you accused Ray before of not knowing how to break a 1-3-1 zone from a coaching standpoint?

You aren't wrong. And you explained it nicely. Just another thinly-veiled Ray bash in a thread that should be nothing but happiness that he got in...

[smootness]

Isn't that what I just said?

No. Your clear implication is that he doesn't know how, not that he didn't have the players to be able to do it.

[Dawg61]

Last time we saw it isn't helping your cause here. We had a double digit 13 point lead on Ole Miss and then 1-3-1 comes out and we lose by 12. A 25 point swing to our biggest rival. The team that had crackhead on it that got Ray to say "fu@k you" to him the previous time we played. So since Ray did this after beating Ole Miss we have since lost by 19 to Ole Miss in the regular season and then lost to them again by 12 after leading by 13 in the SEC tournament. This is just kinda a reminder that when you do this you better be ready for a fight next couple times you see that same team. We were not ready last two times we played Ole Miss.

[Dawg61]

You aren't wrong. And you explained it nicely. Just another thinly-veiled Ray bash in a thread that should be nothing but happiness that he got in...

Since when do we reward our coaches for getting 3* players that they signed to actually qualify to be able to play? Setting the bar a little low aren't we. HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO PLAY. Why would you sign a 3* player that isn't eligible?

[smootness]

No one is arguing we handled the 1-3-1 well. Some are saying we don't know how, others are saying we couldn't due to personnel. We're discussing WHY we couldn't counter it, because we all know exactly what you just posted.

[smootness]

Since when do we reward our coaches for getting 3* players that they signed to actually qualify to be able to play? Setting the bar a little low aren't we. HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO PLAY. Why would you sign a 3* player that isn't eligible?

Why did this thread ever have anything to do with Ray? No one mentioned him or even alluded to him until you and tcdog. Nobody rewarded him or praised him. They were just happy Black got in because Black is better than the absence of Black (woah). So there was no need for analysis; just all-around good news.

Unless you are rooting for Ray to fail, then you twist it into an argument over how it isn't good news and no one should be happy because the coach didn't do anything special...

[engie]

Why did this thread ever have anything to do with Ray? No one mentioned him or even alluded to him until you and tcdog. Nobody rewarded him or praised him. They were just happy Black got in because Black is better than the absence of Black (woah). So there was no need for analysis; just all-around good news.

Unless you are rooting for Ray to fail, then you twist it into an argument over how it isn't good news and no one should be happy because the coach didn't do anything special...

Exactly.

I'm beyond sick of this shit. Can always count on those two to ruin EVERY SINGLE basketball thread. Was not about Ray at all until they came in with axes to grind basically shitting on a player thread in order to inform everyone Ray still sucks..

[TheDogFather]

I think we are gonna make the NIT this year.

Boy we have come a long way.

[Dawg61]

Exactly.

I'm beyond sick of this shit. Can always count on those two to ruin EVERY SINGLE basketball thread. Was not about Ray at all until they came in with axes to grind basically shitting on a player thread in order to inform everyone Ray still sucks..

If y'all would stop trying to fluff the balls of a coach that has won 4 games and 5 games in the SEC every chance you can get I will stop having to come in and throw out tough love.

Because y'all are missing the other side to this. The side that I see. What happened with Quantrel Denson a player Ray signed? What happened the first year with Daniels and Ndoye? Two players that Ray signed. What happened with Applewhite his first season? A player Ray signed. What happened with Davis? A player Ray signed. So Black got qualified. GREAT HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE. Why does Ray keep signing question marks? I get signing a player like Newman that might be a question mark (not saying he is) but we are signing no name guys that aren't getting cleared till August going into year 3 still. Come on man we are a fu@king SEC team with pretty decent basketball tradition. Sign good players that aren't grade issues. Period.