Sunken German U-boat found off the coast of Texas

[PassInterference]

http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/...267105581.html

I didn't know the Nazis brought the war to the Gulf. And supposedly they sunk a ship at the mouth of Our State's river.

[War Machine Dawg]

Absolutely, the Germans were all over the Atlantic and Gulf. They actually tried to slip a couple spies in offshore at one point, but they got caught, if I'm remembering correctly. And at the end of the war in Europe, we found German plans for an invasion of the U.S. They had also been working on long range bombers to reach the east coast. History could have easily turned out very differently than it actually did.

[Dawg61]

It would of if Hitler hadn't gone full mental. Turning on the Russians, moving his troops to Stalingrad instead of just taking Moscow, keeping his troops in Russia long enough for the harsh winter to come on without being dressed for the weather, failing to let his top Generals make critical battlefield decisions while he slept costing the German army a full 12 hours on D-Day, keeping a million German troops at Calais for 48 hours convinced Patton would attack with his fake baloon army while D-Day happened, failing to attack and invade Britain before the US had even gotten involved are just a few of Hitler's baffling blunders. He slaughtered so many people including his own army with these decisions.

[Political Hack]

if he would've attacked England instead of Russia, that's all it would've taken. Europe would be called Germany. Scary thought...

[Political Hack]

they found a 175' iron gun boat from the civil war in the Yazoo River several decades ago. Can you imagine if the German would've conquered Europe and started sending boats into the gulf and up the MS river? I'm not sure our population, even back then, understood what a war would look like on American soil.

[BulldogBear]

I believe there two Uboats sunk just beyond the Mississippi sound if memory serves correctly.

[Bully13]

had radar not been invented, germany would have won the war just based on how they were dominating the atlantic with their u-boats. they were blowing up cargo ships left and right for about 2 years before we were able to start blowing up the u-boats. these were American goods and sailors heading to England. hundreds of boats and tons of supplies and war material lay at the bottom of the Atlantic. lots of American sailors too. the Brits were close to having a famine on their hand. a lot of the war success was due to their invention of radar and cracking the german's secret communication codes.

[War Machine Dawg]

It would of if Hitler hadn't gone full mental. Turning on the Russians, moving his troops to Stalingrad instead of just taking Moscow, keeping his troops in Russia long enough for the harsh winter to come on without being dressed for the weather, failing to let his top Generals make critical battlefield decisions while he slept costing the German army a full 12 hours on D-Day, keeping a million German troops at Calais for 48 hours convinced Patton would attack with his fake baloon army while D-Day happened, failing to attack and invade Britain before the US had even gotten involved are just a few of Hitler's baffling blunders. He slaughtered so many people including his own army with these decisions.

if he would've attacked England instead of Russia, that's all it would've taken. Europe would be called Germany. Scary thought...

had radar not been invented, germany would have won the war just based on how they were dominating the atlantic with their u-boats. they were blowing up cargo ships left and right for about 2 years before we were able to start blowing up the u-boats. these were American goods and sailors heading to England. hundreds of boats and tons of supplies and war material lay at the bottom of the Atlantic. lots of American sailors too. the Brits were close to having a famine on their hand. a lot of the war success was due to their invention of radar and cracking the german's secret communication codes.

Indeed. Of course to be fair, the Patton feint was a brilliant call by Ike. After the way Patton had kicked the Afrika Korps & Rommel's ass in North Africa, then totally dismantled Sicily (with Ike & Monty trying to screw him the whole way), the Germans were scared to death of Patton. They didn't want any part of him, so I kinda understand why they fell for it. Plus, Patton is my favorite general in all of history. He was a brilliant field commander, although a bit of a meat grinder.

But the rest of it.....yeah. The world was wayyyyyy closer to being a much, much darker place than most people realize. Thankfully, Hitler went insane and decided to split his army, invade Russia, and fight a war on two fronts. Never a good idea. There's a reason no one has successfully invaded Russia. They've mastered the art of engaging enemy forces just enough to keep them advancing, while retreating and destroying anything useful to the enemy, especially crops, until the Russian winter inevitably comes. Then it's game over for the invading force.

And yes, the German U-boats wreaked havoc in the Atlantic. You just about couldn't make the crossing for a period of time. They completely shut down shipping lanes.

[Bully13]

Indeed. Of course to be fair, the Patton feint was a brilliant call by Ike. After the way Patton had kicked the Afrika Korps & Rommel's ass in Germany, then totally dismantled Sicily (with Ike & Monty trying to screw him the whole way), the Germans were scared to death of Patton. They didn't want any part of him, so I kinda understand why they fell for it. Plus, Patton is my favorite general in all of history. He was a brilliant field commander, although a bit of a meat grinder.


But the rest of it.....yeah. The world was wayyyyyy closer to being a much, much darker place than most people realize. Thankfully, Hitler went insane and decided to split his army, invade Russia, and fight a war on two fronts. Never a good idea. There's a reason no one has successfully invaded Russia. They've mastered the art of engaging enemy forces just enough to keep them advancing, while retreating and destroying anything useful to the enemy, especially crops, until the Russian winter inevitably comes. Then it's game over for the invading force.

And yes, the German U-boats wreaked havoc in the Atlantic. You just about couldn't make the crossing for a period of time. They completely shut down shipping lanes.

hey WMD, wasn't Monty the one who eventually kicked Rommell's ass in Africa? correct me if I missed that one.

also, Monty was a prick when it came to Patton. agreed on that one. Patton was always my favorite. along with Bull Halsy in the Pacific. I've always agreed with Patton over Ike when it came to taking Berlin. I understand the reds lost more soldiers than we did and actually ended up killing more germans than we did but still. we could have captured berlin before they did and Ike just decided to let the reds come in first as a jesture of "good will". stalin was stunned at that decision by Ike. I think that decision burned us in the end and made the cold war more difficult for the decades that followed. everyone could see that they were in conquer mode and the only land we were taking was enough to bury our dead soldiers.

hitler's drug addiction, insanity, mental and physical health made him a terrible leader towards the end. that's why we abandoned a plan to assinate him because we decided we wanted him at the helm as opposed to being replaced with a better war leader.

[FISHDAWG]

love the Inglorious Bastards reference ... one of the favorites

[Dawg61]

But the rest of it.....yeah. The world was wayyyyyy closer to being a much, much darker place than most people realize. Thankfully, Hitler went insane and decided to split his army, invade Russia, and fight a war on two fronts. Never a good idea. There's a reason no one has successfully invaded Russia. They've mastered the art of engaging enemy forces just enough to keep them advancing, while retreating and destroying anything useful to the enemy, especially crops, until the Russian winter inevitably comes. Then it's game over for the invading force.

Wow this is fascinating. Can you go into more detail here? The Russians would intentionally destroy everything and then retreat backwards forcing the Germans to occupy land that had no resources? That is brilliantly sick and twisted.

[Political Hack]

Wow this is fascinating. Can you go into more detail here? The Russians would intentionally destroy everything and then retreat backwards forcing the Germans to occupy land that had no resources? That is brilliantly sick and twisted.

probably a major reason the outlier communities and regions of Russia have been so oppressed for years.

[War Machine Dawg]

Wow this is fascinating. Can you go into more detail here? The Russians would intentionally destroy everything and then retreat backwards forcing the Germans to occupy land that had no resources? That is brilliantly sick and twisted.

It's what the Russians have always done. They did the same thing to Napolean in the 1700s. You NEVER invade Russia. They lure you in, let you think you're making progress, all while they're taking out the resources you need to survive a long invasion of Russia. Then inevitably the brutal Russian winter comes, and you're toast. You starve to death or freeze to death. And the Russians harass you to death with winter assaults, while your guys are still probably stuck wearing their summer gear.

The combination of topography, size, climate, and Russian tactics make a successful invasion almost impossible. Russian leadership isn't afraid to starve the country if it means starving the invading force. They've proven it over and over throughout history. As you say, it's a bit sick and twisted, but it's completely, brutally effective. It might be more doable with current military tech, such as long range bombers, but in the 1940s and any period prior, the land assault of Russia was about the dumbest military decision you could make. They're sick, ruthless bastards that aren't afraid of sacrificing the civilian population in order to protect Mother Russia.

I still say Patton was right when he wanted to team up with the Germans and launch an assault on the Russian forces in Eastern Europe as WWII was coming to a close. Would've saved us a whole lot of trouble during the Cold War.

[Dawg61]

It's what the Russians have always done. They did the same thing to Napolean in the 1700s. You NEVER invade Russia. They lure you in, let you think you're making progress, all while they're taking out the resources you need to survive a long invasion of Russia. Then inevitably the brutal Russian winter comes, and you're toast. You starve to death or freeze to death. And the Russians harass you to death with winter assaults, while your guys are still probably stuck wearing their summer gear.

The combination of topography, size, climate, and Russian tactics make a successful invasion almost impossible. Russian leadership isn't afraid to starve the country if it means starving the invading force. They've proven it over and over throughout history. As you say, it's a bit sick and twisted, but it's completely, brutally effective. It might be more doable with current military tech, such as long range bombers, but in the 1940s and any period prior, the land assault of Russia was about the dumbest military decision you could make. They're sick, ruthless bastards that aren't afraid of sacrificing the civilian population in order to protect Mother Russia.

I still say Patton was right when he wanted to team up with the Germans and launch an assault on the Russian forces in Eastern Europe as WWII was coming to a close. Would've saved us a whole lot of trouble during the Cold War.

Wow why on earth Germany would even attempt to invade that is suicide. The shear size of the country, their huge army and terrible climate should be enough to deter any invader. Did Hitler not have any knowledge of how Russia fights a war on their own land? Hitler just had a death wish for himself and his entire country. He had the war won. Just finish off Britain and it's over. Done. He chose instead to murder 20+ million more people and ensure Germany loses.

[Intramural All-American]

Wow this is fascinating. Can you go into more detail here? The Russians would intentionally destroy everything and then retreat backwards forcing the Germans to occupy land that had no resources? That is brilliantly sick and twisted.

Yea it was called the scorched earth policy. They would retreat and burn everything that they were retreating from.

[War Machine Dawg]

Wow why on earth Germany would even attempt to invade that is suicide. The shear size of the country, their huge army and terrible climate should be enough to deter any invader. Did Hitler not have any knowledge of how Russia fights a war on their own land? Hitler just had a death wish for himself and his entire country. He had the war won. Just finish off Britain and it's over. Done. He chose instead to murder 20+ million more people and ensure Germany loses.

Hitler was an insane megalomaniac by that point. As evil as he may have been, Hitler was actually a pretty brilliant dude and a scholar of history. He knew damn well how the Russians defend their territory, but he thought he was the guy that could actually succeed. Plus, if I'm remembering it correctly, he was convinced that Russia was going to attack them, so he decided to invade Russia first. But he didn't have the resources to back it up, especially when he split his army to do it. And as I pointed out, it forced him to fight a war on two fronts. It's really a good thing he went insane. If he hadn't, there's really no telling how WWII would've turned out. Hell, if he'd just decided to finish off the Brits before invading Russia, it might've been different.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

Wow why on earth Germany would even attempt to invade that is suicide. The shear size of the country, their huge army and terrible climate should be enough to deter any invader. Did Hitler not have any knowledge of how Russia fights a war on their own land? Hitler just had a death wish for himself and his entire country. He had the war won. Just finish off Britain and it's over. Done. He chose instead to murder 20+ million more people and ensure Germany loses.

Oil and gas to fuel the German war machine. By the end of the war, most of germanys machinery was running on syn gas which is very hard to keep an entire army mobile on.

[Dawg61]

Oil and gas to fuel the German war machine. By the end of the war, most of germanys machinery was running on syn gas which is very hard to keep an entire army mobile on.

This was a major problem for Japan after we stopped selling them oil too. Sounds like Hitler was just convinced that Russia would attack him and he did what he always did and tried to blitzkrieg them first before they knew what hit em. Country was way way too big to fall to a blitzkrieg attack. Africa, France, Middle East and all the countries he took over had lots of oil.

[War Machine Dawg]

This was a major problem for Japan after we stopped selling them oil too. Sounds like Hitler was just convinced that Russia would attack him and he did what he always did and tried to blitzkrieg them first before they knew what hit em. Country was way way too big to fall to a blitzkrieg attack. Africa, France, Middle East and all the countries he took over had lots of oil.

That's pretty much it. He knew the Russians would eventually join the war in all likelihood, so he wanted to throw the first punch. But for the reasons I enumerated, you can't really attack Russia conventionally. They've mastered the Scorched Earth Defense.

[Barking 13]

love the Inglorious Bastards reference ... one of the favorites

gonna kill some damn natzis