Badly need to win the Governor's Cup tomorrow night (need rpi boost). Who do we

[chef dixon]

Yep, I could easily see us getting rocked tomorrow night. Not only did we pitch all of our better pitchers over this past weekend but we have to REALLY protect our pitching staff given the A&M series starts on TH instead of FR. Seems to me a real snafu in scheduling where this Governor's trophy game was put during a week where State has to start SEC play on TH and OM doesn't. And I would say the same thing if the situation was reversed with OM having the short week.

Yea its tough. Also OM was done on Saturday this past weekend with no midweek game last week.

[maroonmania]

Yea its tough. Also OM was done on Saturday this past weekend with no midweek game last week.

Man, good point, I had forgotten they didn't even play this past Sunday. Everything for this game is in their favor. I'll be very surprised if we win it. I actually can't believe we agreed to play the game THIS week given all the other scheduling factors that are unequal.

[LC Dawg]

Yep, I could easily see us getting rocked tomorrow night. Not only did we pitch all of our better pitchers over this past weekend but we have to REALLY protect our pitching staff given the A&M series starts on TH instead of FR. Seems to me a real snafu in scheduling where this Governor's trophy game was put during a week where State has to start SEC play on TH and OM doesn't. And I would say the same thing if the situation was reversed with OM having the short week.

Cohen said yesterday during the post game that the series with A&M was moved to a Thursday start after the Governor's Cup date was set. He said he wouldn't have scheduled Ole Miss on Tuesday had he known we would start the A&M series Thursday. I'm sure he didn't have a choice in the moving of the series to a Thursday start since TV is involved.

[DudyDawg]

Time that a freshman has to step up -- regardless of which one it is...

Like hump on Sunday?

[engie]

Like hump on Sunday?

I'm clearly referring to on the mound -- where we're likely to throw 2 or 3 freshmen tomorrow...

[maroonmania]

Cohen said yesterday during the post game that the series with A&M was moved to a Thursday start after the Governor's Cup date was set. He said he wouldn't have scheduled Ole Miss on Tuesday had he known we would start the A&M series Thursday. I'm sure he didn't have a choice in the moving of the series to a Thursday start since TV is involved.

Well, why didn't we go back and redo the Governor's Cup date once we had the reschedule of the A&M series thrust on us. We are wusses for not standing up for ourselves on this one. We played this past Sunday (OM didn't) and we are playing this Thursday (OM won't) BOTH of which were determined by the SEC, not us. The week for this game should have been moved or we should have just refused to play it. Given the situation we are at an extreme competitive disadvantage for tomorrow's game and that's on US for allowing it.

[TheRef]

Well, why didn't we go back and redo the Governor's Cup date once we had the reschedule of the A&M series thrust on us. We are wusses for not standing up for ourselves on this one. We played this past Sunday (OM didn't) and we are playing this Thursday (OM won't) BOTH of which were determined by the SEC, not us. The week for this game should have been moved or we should have just refused to play it. Given the situation we are at an extreme competitive disadvantage for tomorrow's game and that's on US for allowing it.

Well it also has to do with Trustmark Park and their scheduling and their whole setup there. So I'd imagine it's not as simple as saying "Hey we're just going to move this thing to so and so date so suck it." Also I believe we can't "refuse to play it" because it's probably written in the contract that it must be played every year regardless.

[BulldogBear]

Well, dog whoopin' or not I'll be there. Kids enjoy going and the food is good. Been to about 12 or so State games there going back to a DH against ULM years ago. I think we've won all but 2 of those. Mojo/Juju factor? Well, anyway, the boy likes to talk to the opposing bullpen and dugout. Once, at DNF, Mangione gave him the game ball afterwards! Living in Jackson area I wish we would play another one down here against ULM, LaTech, or South Alabama. I can't get to DNF but about 1 series a season plus a regional if we host.

[maroonmania]

Well it also has to do with Trustmark Park and their scheduling and their whole setup there. So I'd imagine it's not as simple as saying "Hey we're just going to move this thing to so and so date so suck it." Also I believe we can't "refuse to play it" because it's probably written in the contract that it must be played every year regardless.

Well I would think Trustmark wants this game a lot more than we want it. If they can't be more flexible to make the game fair (and maybe they really just couldn't accommodate a change this year) then we should have the contract changed so that we CAN opt out. It really isn't fair for one team to have 2 days off before AND after the game while the other has 1 day off before AND after.

[Todd4State]

Well I would think Trustmark wants this game a lot more than we want it. If they can't be more flexible to make the game fair (and maybe they really just couldn't accommodate a change this year) then we should have the contract changed so that we CAN opt out. It really isn't fair for one team to have 2 days off before AND after the game while the other has 1 day off before AND after.

The Governor's Cup is one of and in some years is the biggest baseball game in the state. The exception being if we host a SR, the Braves come to Pearl for an exhibition game (Governor's Cup outdrew the A-Braves last year FWIW), or something like that.

The Mississippi Braves have their games that we would have to work around as well, and Ole Miss has games that they would have to work around. Honestly, if we opted out we would look like a bunch of pussies. And I doubt our pitching situation would be much better down the road anyway.

[Todd4State]

Well, dog whoopin' or not I'll be there. Kids enjoy going and the food is good. Been to about 12 or so State games there going back to a DH against ULM years ago. I think we've won all but 2 of those. Mojo/Juju factor? Well, anyway, the boy likes to talk to the opposing bullpen and dugout. Once, at DNF, Mangione gave him the game ball afterwards! Living in Jackson area I wish we would play another one down here against ULM, LaTech, or South Alabama. I can't get to DNF but about 1 series a season plus a regional if we host.

I would love to see us play another OOC game in addition to the Governor's Cup and the USM game as well. ULM seems to be a natural fit, as does La Tech.

Also, we are going to play some games in Biloxi at the MGM Park that they are currently building in the near future.

[BulldogBear]

I would love to see us play another OOC game in addition to the Governor's Cup and the USM game as well. ULM seems to be a natural fit, as does La Tech.

Also, we are going to play some games in Biloxi at the MGM Park that they are currently building in the near future.

Nice, but I of course hope that the games on coast don't take away from games at Trustmark. South Alabama would be a fitting opponent to play in Biloxi. Also UNO, SELa, Tulane. USM probably also be a good coast crowd.

Any deal for a game at Trustmark would have to be advantageous for both parties and the Braves. We know there are not good crowds for midweek games in Starkville, but of course season tickets are already paid for. So, I don't know how much attendance at trustmark is translating to actual $$$ for the big 3. Probably the Braves/TP just pay a flat rate and make up the cost plus make profit on the tickets and concession. I still think you'd have a decent crowd for and OOC game that wasn't Ole Miss or USM. Perhaps JSU if not a Sun Belt or CUSA school.

[drunkernhelldawg]

It'd be great to win it, but I'd take the sweep this coming weekend over it.

[maroonmania]

Honestly, if we opted out we would look like a bunch of pussies. And I doubt our pitching situation would be much better down the road anyway.

Your first sentence I agree but don't really care. Right now our post-season standing is more important to me than what some random guy thinks about us on whether we play a game in Pearl that is not set up fairly for both teams. The second sentence I just disagree with. If our SEC series started Fri instead of Thur it would open up a LOT of other options for us from a pitching perspective. We could pitch some guys on Tuesday night that wouldn't likely pitch again until Sunday. Now those options are GONE. And OM has a LOT more options given they didn't play this past Sunday than if they had and can also pitch guys that will pitch later in the SEC weekend, we don't have the same luxury. As stated, I'll be shocked if we are even competitive in this game given the situation.

[Todd4State]

Nice, but I of course hope that the games on coast don't take away from games at Trustmark. South Alabama would be a fitting opponent to play in Biloxi. Also UNO, SELa, Tulane. USM probably also be a good coast crowd.

Any deal for a game at Trustmark would have to be advantageous for both parties and the Braves. We know there are not good crowds for midweek games in Starkville, but of course season tickets are already paid for. So, I don't know how much attendance at trustmark is translating to actual $$$ for the big 3. Probably the Braves/TP just pay a flat rate and make up the cost plus make profit on the tickets and concession. I still think you'd have a decent crowd for and OOC game that wasn't Ole Miss or USM. Perhaps JSU if not a Sun Belt or CUSA school.

I'm not sure how the contracts are set-up. Used to when they played the Mayor's Trophy the designated "home" team would run everything and get the money- but that was a huge hassle and it almost ended the Mayor's Trophy. They then negotiated a contract where everything was split. I imagine that's pretty similar to what the Braves do. They probably pay both schools X amount of money and may provide food, gas for the bus and whatever else.

I don't know how much we would make by playing in Jackson vs. Starkville for a typical midweek game. You're right that the crowds are not large in Starkville for midweek. If we played La Tech in Pearl, our fans would show up here because of the novelty of it. It's a chance to see MSU play baseball- which is rare for Pearl. The downside is transporting the team and they would miss a day of class. I would still like to see us play one additional OOC game in Pearl though. Maybe even tie it in with a M-Braves game double header type of deal where the Braves play a game first and then we play. That's what we did when we played at Autozone last year with the Redbirds playing first and then we played.

I'm not worried about Biloxi taking the Governor's Cup. I am a little worried about the USM game. I want to just play them once in Pearl and that be it. More than likely, I bet we end up playing them once in Pearl and once in Biloxi or the game alternates every other year. Personally, I would like to play LSU in Biloxi- but they're not going to agree to it. They only play OOC games in Louisiana unless it's a major tournament like the one in Houston. More than likely I bet we play South Alabama in Biloxi because we have a good relationship with their program right now. Tulane would be good if their coach will bury the hatchet with Cohen.

The stadium in Biloxi is probably going to get the C-USA tournament after it's built. There was some conflict in Pearl over some things including the state high school baseball tournament- which probably does draw more than the C-USA Tournament would believe it or not. I think the C-USA people like the lodging situation in Biloxi as well.

[Todd4State]

Your first sentence I agree but don't really care. Right now our post-season standing is more important to me than what some random guy thinks about us on whether we play a game in Pearl that is not set up fairly for both teams. The second sentence I just disagree with. If our SEC series started Fri instead of Thur it would open up a LOT of other options for us from a pitching perspective. We could pitch some guys on Tuesday night that wouldn't likely pitch again until Sunday. Now those options are GONE. And OM has a LOT more options given they didn't play this past Sunday than if they had and can also pitch guys that will pitch later in the SEC weekend, we don't have the same luxury. As stated, I'll be shocked if we are even competitive in this game given the situation.

It would be hugely embarrassing and it would hurt our relationship with the Mississippi Braves. If we opted out, it would be a story that would be covered a lot more than it would if we lost 20-0. You would have Perfect Game, Baseball America, and etc. talking about it. It would be a huge black eye for the program.

Losing to them is not going to hurt us from a post-season standpoint because of their RPI. Beating them helps. Stepping on the field helps at the very least of SOS. Other than the game itself we don't have much to lose.

Cohen is too competitive to throw a bunch of walk-ons out there. Against USM, he threw Bracewell, Woodruff, Lindgren, and Holder. Fitts typically throws 50 pitches. Lindgren threw 60 pitches on Friday and should be ready whomever we start. If Cohen does what I said do earlier, we're going to be OK on both fronts for the Governor's Cup and the SEC series.

[BulldogBear]

Tulane would be good if their coach will bury the hatchet with Cohen.

What's the beef with Jones? I've either forgotten or never knew.

[Todd4State]

What's the beef with Jones? I've either forgotten or never knew.

Jarrod Parks recruitment. He was committed to Tulane because Polk didn't want him. Cohen was hired and he was one of Cohen's first recruits. Cohen allegedly told him to drop a class that he needed to get into Tulane so that he would be released from his scholarship and come to MSU. That was six years ago, they may have buried the hatchet. We might play them in the pre-season tournment in NOLA in a couple of years in fact.

[M.Fillmore]

Jarrod Parks recruitment. He was committed to Tulane because Polk didn't want him. Cohen was hired and he was one of Cohen's first recruits. Cohen allegedly told him to drop a class that he needed to get into Tulane so that he would be released from his scholarship and come to MSU. That was six years ago, they may have buried the hatchet. We might play them in the pre-season tournment in NOLA in a couple of years in fact.

I hope the hatchet is buried. Park's dad told me that Jones was reeeeeeeally mad about Jarrod's transfer to MSU.

[preachermatt83]

I believe Sexton is getting the start tmr night if nothing changes.