Leo Lewis commits to Alabama

[ShotgunDawg]

So why does the NFL pull players from butt**** state instead of just signing the entire sr class from Alabama every year?

At stud that comes to MSU has all the NFL chances as a guy that goes to Bama. NFL scouts are not swayed by prestige or football polls.

This.

[TheDogFather]

One thing to remember fellas, let this play out and stay positive. This is very disappointing, and I think most of us are very sick of the myth that is Alabama football and this perception that they "produce" more players than anyone else. In actuality it is a front runner program.

MSU must stay positive and relentlessly recruit Leo till the end. If we lock up Peters, Adams, and Dear, we will have peers in his ear for the next year persuading him to come to MSU. Let it play out.

Yeah. Because MSU flipping players from Bama is so common.

[TheDogFather]

So why does the NFL pull players from butt**** state instead of just signing the entire sr class from Alabama every year?

At stud that comes to MSU has all the NFL chances as a guy that goes to Bama. NFL scouts are not swayed by prestige or football polls.

Sigh.

[Coach34]

Any good player has the same chance of making the NFL at State as he does by going to Bama

What State does not offer that Bama does is the chance to win a National Championship

[War Machine Dawg]

Sigh.

You should sigh. You're getting your ass kicked. Woe is Em Ess Yoo.

[TheDogFather]

You should sigh. You're getting your ass kicked. Woe is Em Ess Yoo.

Getting my ass kicked?

Just because there is a gang of delusionals arguing doesn't make them right.

MSU = Alabama

It's even dumber when you write it down.

[TheDogFather]

Any good player has the same chance of making the NFL at State as he does by going to Bama

What State does not offer that Bama does is the chance to win a National Championship

If the chances are the same then why are there more than twice the number of Alabama alums in the nfl than MSU alums.

Opportunity is not the same thing as odds.

[Coach34]

If the chances are the same then why are there more than twice the number of Alabama alums in the nfl than MSU alums.

Because Alabama has recruited more than twice the number of NFL talented guys coming out of HS that State has

Anything else I can answer for you?

[TheDogFather]

Because Alabama has recruited more than twice the number of NFL talented guys coming out of HS that State has

Anything else I can answer for you?

I give up. Last post in this thread. Why a HS kid would choose Alabama over MSU is beyond me. They must be stupid.

[Todd4State]

This is disappointing for now, but I wouldn't give up quite yet. Every time Leo Lewis has gone on a recruiting visit anywhere it seems like he all of a sudden "leans" to that school.

A couple of weeks ago he was a lean to Ole Miss per their recruiting gurus after a visit there for the Grove Bowl even though there is no way he is going to go to Ole Miss.

If he comes to Big Dawg camp, that will tell me that we still have a chance. So, we'll see how it plays out.

[TexasDawg]

Any good player has the same chance of making the NFL at State as he does by going to Bama

What State does not offer that Bama does is the chance to win a National Championship

This all day. We have shown we can put young men in the NFL but up to this point, we nor any other program in the country has shown they can offer the postseason experience that Bama can. Our best hope to sway Lewis is to get Dear, Peters, Spivey, and other top in state recruits to commit. Also we NEED 10+ wins in order to ensure some of the top in state talent doesn't leave. Until that happens there will be a few casualties, thats just the way it is.

[Coach34]

I give up. Last post in this thread.

You should give up

Going to Bama doesnt give him any better chance of playing in the NFL- but it does give him an infinite better chance of winning a NC

We have Pro Days just like Bama does.
We have a great S&C program just like Bama does
We are coached well on D just like Bama is

Bama recruits more high end talent- and that is why they put more guys in the NFL draft

[ShotgunDawg]

I just don't get it with MSU fans. We are all OK with dogging Ole Miss, but the minute that anyone points out that only reason Alabama is good, is because of their recruiting, or that MSU offers the same schedule, NFL opportunity, and general opportunities as Alabama, we get people that are ignorant about how stuff actually works, coming to their defense.

Alabama is a myth, the Yankees are a myth, the Miami Heat are a myth, Kentucky basketball is a myth, and the Lakers are a myth. These teams are typically only good because they have better players, and they have better players because they convinced someone to go there because they won in the past. Do you not see the stupid self fulfilling cycle here folks?

1. Alabama win in the 60s and 70s

2. Idiots say, "can't blame a kid for going to Bama because they win."

3. Kid goes to Alabama because they win

4. Alabama wins because the kid went there

5. Wash repeat. Alabama wins forever because no one is willing to point out how ridiculous the cycle is, and why it's stupid and if any school in the country got Bama's players, they would be good.

I get it when states and universities having pride about winning with home grown talent, but Louisville and Kentucky talk about how great they are when no starter on either team is actually from the state of Kentucky. Where is the pride in that? Why does Leo Lewis care about Alabama, when he is from Mississippi?

These are rhetorical questions that I don't need an idiot answering for me, but when you actually think about the logic used in recruiting decisions, it makes you wonder.

[PassInterference]

If a top recruit wants to bet that he can win a NC at Bama during the 1 or 2 years that he can get on the field over there, so be it. Bama doesn't win a NC every year.

A player can weigh that vs coming to MSU and getting a lot more PT.

[ShotgunDawg]

If a top recruit wants to bet that he can win a NC at Bama during the 1 or 2 years that he can get on the field over there, so be it. Bama doesn't win a NC every year.

A player can weigh that vs coming to MSU and getting a lot more PT.

Would MSU win a national title if players like Leo Lewis came to MSU instead of Bama, or is Bama the only possible school that high level players can go to and win a championship?

[Coach34]

To win a NC- it takes multiple years of good recruiting classes. And that is why the Bama's, Auburn's, Florida's win it. They just keep recruiting at a top 10 level year in and year out.

It's like the Twanny Beckham example I used earlier- he couldnt start at State, He transferred to NBA pipeline school Kentucky and guess what? He was still a shitty back-up player that lacked talent. Going to Kentucky didnt make him any better.

NBA pipelines and NFL pipelines are that because they are able to sign 4 and 5 star recruits year after year based on a reputation built long ago.

Chris Jones didnt hurt his draft potential by coming to State
Benardrick McKinney will be just fine for the draft because he played at State
Vick Ballard did just fine coming to State- shit if he had gone to Bama- he might not have ended up being drafted because he wouldnt have played much considering who they had.
Gabe Jackson will be just fine this May in the draft because he went to State

Talented players get drafted no matter where they go these days

[Intramural All-American]

Shotgun, your inter makes sense, but your logic is off. It's not a level playing field. Alabama IS the most storied program in college football history. That is FACT, not MYTH. Alabama contends for NCs every year, MSU does not. You are right, it is absolutely a cycle. But that cycle is legitimate, and players see that. In your mind, should a kid from Wyoming go to Wyoming over USC just because it's his home state?

[TheDogFather]

You should give up

Going to Bama doesnt give him any better chance of playing in the NFL- but it does give him an infinite better chance of winning a NC

We have Pro Days just like Bama does.
We have a great S&C program just like Bama does
We are coached well on D just like Bama is

Bama recruits more high end talent- and that is why they put more guys in the NFL draft

Or kids choose Bama because they have a better chance of making it to the nfl.

You are leaving out the kid choosing part. In all of your recruiting expertise and inner workings with the athletic departments have you heard a kid say he chose Bama because he likes their colors?

Your argument is elegant but incomplete.

[Intramural All-American]

Or kids choose Bama because they have a better chance of making it to the nfl.

You are leaving out the kid choosing part. In all of your recruiting expertise and inner workings with the athletic departments have you heard a kid say he chose Bama because he likes their colors?

Your argument is elegant but incomplete.

No, your argument is flawed. As Coach said, some kids may actually hurt there draft stock going to Bama rather than going somewhere else. Some kids get buried on the depth chart there, where they may actually be stars somewhere else. Bama signs 4 and 5 star classes every year. We sign 2 and 3 star classes every year. Do you seriously not see the connection with why Bama has more in the NFL. If Bama signed our class from this past year, you wouldn't see any more of those getting drafted from there than you will see get drafted from here.

[ShotgunDawg]

No, your argument is flawed. As Coach said, some kids may actually hurt there draft stock going to Bama rather than going somewhere else. Some kids get buried on the depth chart there, where they may actually be stars somewhere else. Bama signs 4 and 5 star classes every year. We sign 2 and 3 star classes every year. Do you seriously not see the connection with why Bama has more in the NFL. If Bama signed our class from this past year, you wouldn't see any more of those getting drafted from there than you will see get drafted from here.

We don't sign 2 and 3 star classes. We sign 3 and 4 star classes. Can't stand when MSU skew the facts to make us look worse.

have you guys noticed how we do that?