Stansbury signee classes since 2002

[Dawg61]

2002
Kei Madison: never played
Brandon Vincent: good 2 year contributor
Steven Cowherd: bust

2003
Gary Ervin: transfer
Travis Outlaw: never played

2004
Charles Rhodes: good player
Walter Sharpe: kicked off
Jamaal Edmondson: below average
Jerrell Houston: only played 13 games before leaving

2005
Monta Ellis: never played
Vernon Goodridge: transfer
Jamont Gordon: great player left after jr. year
Reginald Delk: transfer
Richard Delk: transfer
Bernard Rimmer: transfer

2006
Jarvis Varnado: MSU all-time great
Barry Stewart: top 20 all-time MSU player
Travis Gabiddon: never played
Ben Hansbrough: transfer that became Big East POY
Phil Turner: solid player, kicked off sr. year

2007
Ravern Johnson: average player
Elgin Bailey: kicked off
Kodi Augustus: average player
Riley Benock: below average

2008
Romero Osby: transfer that became first team All-Big12
Dee Bost: top 20 all-time MSU player
Antiquawn Beckham: transfer
Jacquiese Holcombe: never played

2009
Renardo Sidney: coach killer
John Riek: transfer
Shaun Smith: kicked off
Wendell Lewis: lost scholarship

2010
Brian Bryant: below average
Jalen Steele: lost scholarship

2011
Rodney Hood: transfer and future 1st round pick
David Gardner: kicked off
Deville Smith: kicked off
Roq Johnson: average player
Shawn Long: kicked off

This list speaks for itself. Stansbury fired Stansbury. I bring this up because those that don't remember history are bound to repeat it. For 10 years the signs were there with Stansbury. Ray needs to keep the players he signs and he needs to sign quality players. If he can do that he can have a more successful career than Stansbury. Ray also needs to add some nice transfers or jucos anytime he loses an existing player (Applewhite, Euro, Smith, Lewis, Steele) have been replaced by whom?

[Coach34]

2009
Renardo Sidney: coach killer
John Riek: transfer
Shaun Smith: kicked off
Wendell Lewis: lost scholarship

2010
Brian Bryant: below average
Jalen Steele: lost scholarship

2011
Rodney Hood: transfer and future 1st round pick
David Gardner: kicked off
Deville Smith: kicked off
Roq Johnson: average player
Shawn Long: kicked off


Wow- looking at that grouped together...wow

[Dawg61]

Every coach will have a bad year every once in awhile but Stansbury had terrible ones next to terrible ones. It's really amazing he won as much as he did when you look at who he signed and lost/transferred. He benefited tremendously from transfers. Rick Ray should take note of that. Stansbury was able to extend a career for 14 years that would of been cut in half without getting those quality transfers. We have an open scholarship and we should really consider having 2-3 open ones for next year imo. Go get some transfers and shooters from Juco. We can be a top 5 SEC team NEXT YEAR if we do just that.

[missouridawg]

I think there needs to be one thing that people just need to come to grips with regarding college basketball.

Players are going to transfer. It sucks... and it really sucks when there is a contributor or potential contributor that does it... but it's going to happen.

[ChevChelios]

You left off Arnett.

[Dawg61]

You left off Arnett.

I didn't include any transfer ins. Just signees. I did give Stansbury huge credit for getting players to transfer in though. So far Ray has had zero players transfer into MSU. That needs to change imo.

[msstate7]

I didn't include any transfer ins. Just signees. I did give Stansbury huge credit for getting players to transfer in though. So far Ray has had zero players transfer into MSU. That needs to change imo.

This is what I hope we do with open scholarship

[hailmari]

Guys like Phil Turner and Brian Bryant would've excelled under Rick Ray.. Good hustle guys.

[esplanade91]

You left off Arnett.

Not a signee.

What stuck out to me was that Stans had 3 of the top 20 greatest MSU players of all-time on the same team for almost 4 years (Stewart, Bost, Jarvis) coupled together with some average guys who sometimes played above their potential (Ravern, Augustus). He whiffed on A LOT of players but got really lucky with those 3 + transfers. They basically went out there and street-balled. Imagine if they hustled and had a game plan. And imagine if we had depth and guys weren't required to play the entirety of both halves. The drop-off was horrific.

[TheDogFather]

2009
Renardo Sidney: coach killer
John Riek: transfer
Shaun Smith: kicked off
Wendell Lewis: lost scholarship

2010
Brian Bryant: below average
Jalen Steele: lost scholarship

2011
Rodney Hood: transfer and future 1st round pick
David Gardner: kicked off
Deville Smith: kicked off
Roq Johnson: average player
Shawn Long: kicked off


Wow- looking at that grouped together...wow

Yeah. Wow.

To have all of those non-talented players, discipline problems, and talent transfers and still be able to compete for championships, hang a few banners, make post season, win 20 games, and have the best W-L behind perennials UK and UF, I guess he must have been a pretty good coach.

[Dawg61]

False. UT, Bama, Mizzou, also have higher W-L. LSU, Arky, aTm and Vandy might too.

[War Machine Dawg]

It's been said before, but it bears repeating: Stands caught lightning in a bottle from 02-04. He got high character, hard working signees in Z, Timmy B, Winsome, Ontario, and Vincent. Then he got the 2 greatest gifts of all time in Roberts & Power.

The fact he couldn't make an NCAA Tourney, much less the Sweet 16, with a team that had Bost, Stewart, Varnado, Ravern, and August speaks volumes.

[Saltydog]

would help this team tremendously.....We're severely lacking in this area........BTW, anyone know where Shaun Smith ended up?

[Bo Darville]

Bost is not an MSU top 20. Maybe the bottom 20. The guy did more to poison the program than anyone. An absolute cancer. I don't understand the love for him. I would love to ban him from campus. The stories I could tell. Don't ever put him in the same category as Varnado. Jarvis gave MSU his best and I'm proud we had him.

[Johnson85]

Not a signee.

What stuck out to me was that Stans had 3 of the top 20 greatest MSU players of all-time on the same team for almost 4 years (Stewart, Bost, Jarvis) coupled together with some average guys who sometimes played above their potential (Ravern, Augustus).

Huh???? Ravern and Augustus sometimes played above their potential? Ravern should have been head and shoulders above Stewart and Augustus should have been better. They never sniffed their potential, Ravern because he was a lazy piece of shit and Kodi because he was a head case, although he probably came much closer to playing to his potential.

Stewart on the other hand maximized his potential probably more than any other player I've seen at State.

[Coach34]

There is no way in hell Rayyyvern touched a weight while he was at State. No way

[BiscuitEater]

False. UT, Bama, Mizzou, also have higher W-L. LSU, Arky, aTm and Vandy might too.

In the SEC, Stans had a winning record over every SEC team except KY, FL & UT. He 'owned' OM & Vandy. Look it up.

[BiscuitEater]

You can start with these:

Shaun Smith
Kristers Zeidaks

Wendell Lewis
Jalen Steele

Dre Applewhite - mid-year transfer

Also, Stans was the HC for 14 years ... name two of the 14 where he was down to eight scholarship players ready to play.

[Coach34]

You can start with these:

Shaun Smith
Kristers Zeidaks

Wendell Lewis
Jalen Steele

Dre Applewhite - mid-year transfer

Also, Stans was the HC for 14 years ... name two of the 14 where he was down to eight scholarship players ready to play.

A) other than Applewhite- those are all Stands signees. 3 of the 4 left because of the extreme drug use that had permeated the program

B) Stands took over the program over the summer when it was too late for anybody to transfer out if they didnt want to play for him. He had also played a large part in recruiting the team he took over. They were expected to compete for an NCAA berth that season. The two situations arent even remotely similar

[Cowbellringer]

I've seen a lot of bad posts in my days, but this is right at the top. You do realize that 4 of these 5 were signed by Stansbury, right? Ray, had to clean up Stansbury's shitstorm.

I rarely post, but the Stansbury apologists represent so much of what holds MSU back. I'm guessing you wanted Templeton to stay on a couple of more years and Raffo to be our baseball coach.

Guys, get over it. Stansbury had ample time to get program to where it needs to be and he failed. Simple as that. You hire/retain coaches based on future projections, not past performance. Stansbury had the program trending downward and it was time to move on.

You can start with these:

Shaun Smith
Kristers Zeidaks

Wendell Lewis
Jalen Steele

Dre Applewhite - mid-year transfer

Also, Stans was the HC for 14 years ... name two of the 14 where he was down to eight scholarship players ready to play.